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11-19-2008, 07:45 PM | #61 |
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| I dont mean to be rude or mean but I feel that its wrong to chose one dog over the other because one is cuter then the other. I think they are both r cute just in different ways.
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11-19-2008, 07:50 PM | #62 |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | While it's true some people get their puppies earlier that 12 weeks, that is the minimum age at which the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America, which is the mother club of the AKC allows it's breeders to release a puppy. Important socialization skills are learned from the mother and littermates at this time, like the biting reflex, the mother teaches the puppy how hard to bite, something that humans are not as easily able to do. I don't wish to get into all the reasons why 12 weeks should be the minimum age, but I will tell you this, when a breeder releases a yorkie or other toy breed before this age it's a huge red flag. While I'm sure there are good and bad breeders everywhere the bad ones aren't that easy to spot, especially when you have puppy fever and a budget. Pennsylvania and Missouri have more than their share of puppy mills, and you need to be especially cautious when purchasing a puppy from these states. Have you seen pictures of the parents? A good breeder would easily have many pictures of the parents. Puppy mills sometimes have a problem of coming up with a picture.
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11-19-2008, 09:05 PM | #63 | |
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If you go here http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...ders-here.html open this and scroll down to Missouri. A breeder being USDA registered is indicative of a puppy mill. Yes, puppy mills can be found everywhere, but it is known fact that Missouri and Penn. are puppy mill central for the US.
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11-19-2008, 09:30 PM | #64 | |
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Just do your research ......Because the last thing you will want to do is get a sick puppy...or one that has massive health problems! Good luck in your decision!
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11-19-2008, 10:08 PM | #65 | |
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The USDA requires large volume commercial breeders to be licensed. While not all these kennels are filthy and substandard as we imagine puppymills to be, all raise puppies like livestock in cages instead of inside in homes like Yorkie puppies should be. Puppies raised in commercial kennels don't get enough human contact and can have life long problems with socialization. They can be very difficult to housebreak since they are born to dogs who have never been housebroken and have no role model early on. Commercial kennels breed for quantity, not quality. No genetic screening or health testing is done. The result can be an adult who is pretty far from the Yorkie standard, often weighing much more than the standard calls for. Health issues are common since no screening for genetic problems is done. Apparently this breeder is on the USDA list. Whether you call it a puppy mill or not, it is a high volume commercial breeder.
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11-19-2008, 11:22 PM | #66 |
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| I think you should see what the parents look like or what other puppies from those same parents look like grown up. The second one is cuter to me but I am wondering why they both have such floppy ears. I would definitely want to know what they will look like grown up so you will be completely sure. If you have doubts and are only going to [I]settle[I] on one of them I would pass and try another place.
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11-19-2008, 11:28 PM | #67 |
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| I think it is best to find a place near your town. That way you can meet the pups and decide which one interacts with you better, and you can see where they are raised. I can tell you've done a lot of research on the breeder and if you think her puppies are fine, then go for it. Something just seems off to me, but then it isn't my decision or my puppies. I just can't imagine some one buying a dog they haven't met. If you still want to ship I have heard some good things about this breeder: Home |
11-20-2008, 04:45 AM | #68 | |
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Buying a puppy from a USDA breeder is a bigger red flag. She is, indeed, a commerical breeder....one requirement for this license...the dogs and puppies must be kept in kennels outside of the home.
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11-20-2008, 08:32 AM | #69 | |
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It's so important to only reward good breeders with our business. Here's an excellent link on USDA breeders, and tips for finding a good dog. Buying a dog? Beware of breeder - Health- msnbc.com
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11-20-2008, 08:42 AM | #70 | |
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To the OP, I think that you should really follow your heart with this one. Is there any way you can buy a puppy locally so you can really get a feel for the personality and see the baby in person (sorry if you've already answered this) | |
11-20-2008, 08:55 AM | #71 | |
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Anyway I didn't mean to babble on, but felt I needed to vent about this. Sorry if I've offended anyone. Hope everyone has a good day and I welcome this newcomer to YT...
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11-20-2008, 09:18 AM | #72 |
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| So sorry those that are from Missouri and are hurt. That is not the intention. Unfortunately though, the state does have alot of USDA breeders. I for one would never buy from a commercial breeder like that and they could be located in any state. |
11-20-2008, 09:22 AM | #73 | |
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Puppy Mills - Missouri State Auditor reports Missouri is the Puppy Mill Capital of the Midwest - Associated Content “Misery in Missouri� Highlights Puppy Mill Problem - Free-Press-Release.com Puppy mills breed misery in state | |
11-20-2008, 09:25 AM | #74 |
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11-20-2008, 09:55 AM | #75 | ||
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you should look at the parents of the dogs, it will give you a better understanding of what the puppy will look like.. (although it does NOT mean the baby will look exactly like or sometimes even close to the parents!) ..you would have to go through a breeder, who knows the yorkie's lines, generations back!(and even that is not a guarantee) BUT seeing the parents will give you an idea.... plus, i would want to see the parents anyway.. it can sometimes give you a lil more info about the breeder, etc. i would say GO with your heart.. you know what is right.. i wouldn't let anyone-friends or family, persuade you to go one way or another.. take people's advice and consider all your options-i would not jump into something, if your head and heart weren't in it 100%! puppy's are just the sweetest (yorkies in particular) but if you are not satisfied with even ONE thing, i would NOT go through with it (whether it's the temperment, look, or even the breeder) so many things can and will come out later on, that may cost you a ton of heart ache and money.. so i would just be sure you LOVE everything about your puppy and that you are completely aware of the breeder, health guarantee(very important!), etc. etc. i think that is very nice of her to let you get the other baby, if she was able to tell your heart was not completely with the first baby! i just say.. do your homework & go with your heart! good luck!
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