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babylola nyc · 11-20-2008, 01:54 PM

Again, this is why the person who posted about my breeder caused me to have a slight issue. Everyone thinks my breeder is this horrible person and she is not.

I HAVE A HEALTH GUARANTEE! I have made myself perfectly clear to her and drafted another contract for this breeder to sign. We both signed our respective agreements. I have stated in this thread, that she wont screw me over in anyway (not that I believe she will), but if something goes wrong, my heat will be broken and she will be in trouble.

And the fact that I have to pay for the second dog and now have double the cost of everything...allows me to know that maybe that is not the way I should go. But, given that my cousin who lives in my building is able to purchase the pup -- we will have them close by. A few of my friends that live near me here in the city are considering on purchashing one of them if I dont. So, when I am considering both....its just doesnt mean me by myself.

And all of these reputable breeders that I have gone to in NY and have been to their homes have a 1year health guarantee. I went and saw 3 and spoke to 4 of them. I didnt like any. They were breeding for money and in the summer, they kept them outside! So, again, you cant judge someone by a title---breeder, commercial breeder.....etc.

I think my breeder is far better than any of the ones I have seen.

I have received so many private messages from YT members upset at how many of you have spoken on this thread. I can see why now. I try to help people....never upset or aggravate them. I also dont judge unless I have seen with my own eyes. I see on TV all the time the health department shutting down restaurants....just because the majority may be a chinese one, doesnt mean I would never go to a Chinese restaurant ever again. I need to see with my own eyes and feel with my heart if that is a place I want to sit and eat. I needed to see with my own eyes about this breeder and feel with my own heart if this is the right decision to make.

Personally, I am thinking that I should just lose the money I paid and forget even getting a dog. You have really turned me off from the whole situation!

babylola nyc · 11-20-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Harley_chik

When talking about bringing a puppy home at 8 weeks, there is a HUGE difference between a 30 minute drive across town, being held by a new loving owner, and a 3 hour fight, alone and scared, in the cargo area of a plane. I don't like the idea of shipping any puppy but 8 weeks is really to young for that kind of stress. JMHO

I never said my puppy was 8 weeks. I said the new puppy would be 10 weeks if I asked to have her shipped next week. Not sure where your getting that from, but not from me. I did state that I knew puppies being shipped at 8, 10 and 12 weeks.

heatherm0890 · 11-20-2008, 02:05 PM

ok, YT is just trying to help, they deeply care about yorkies so I am sure they are not trying to turn you off the buying dog. I take their words of advice seriously because like you, I am getting my first puppy. They have many years of experience I think they are just trying to help. if you didnt want opinions you should not have posted...you asked for help and they are trying to help you...If you are serious about getting your dog, you should not let anything persuade you otherwise...Just take in their advice, they are only trying to help and offer you sound advice

TLC · 11-20-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by babylola nyc

Again, this is why the person who posted about my breeder caused me to have a slight issue. Everyone thinks my breeder is this horrible person and she is not.

....please DO NOT blame this on me....Your breeder may be as "Sweet as Pie" ~ and that's great that she does have a Health Guarantee and that you made her sign a contract and that she has sent you pretty pictures, etc....But it doesn't dismiss that she is a Commercial USDA Licensed and Inspected Breeder. Plain and Simple....Her dogs live in kennels and cages outside of her home. This is a mass producing business to her.

For those that are OK with this fact and think it's ok to support it, that is your opinion but please don't tell me that I caused an uproar....I think YT is a great place to live and learn and that's the reason I post what I post.

Ladymom · 11-20-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TLC

....please DO NOT blame this on me....Your breeder may be as "Sweet as Pie" ~ and that's great that she does have a Health Guarantee and that you made her sign a contract and that she has sent you pretty pictures, etc....But it doesn't dismiss that she is a Commercial USDA Licensed and Inspected Breeder. Plain and Simple....Her dogs live in kennels and cages outside of her home. This is a mass producing business to her.

For those that are OK with this fact and think it's ok to support it, that is your opinion but please don't tell me that I caused an uproar....I think YT is a great place to live and learn and that's the reason I post what I post.

Please don't shoot the messenger. TLC was just informing you that the breeder you have chosen is a USDA commercial breeder. Most people really appreciate the warning. In fact, in all the years I been active in dog forums, you are the first person who was not glad she was given a heads up that a breeder she was considering was on the USDA list.

The term "puppy mill" does not have anything to do with the cleanliness of the place, but rather the fact that puppies are mass produced.

Here is the definition of mill:

"A process, agency, or institution that... turns out products in the manner of a factory."

bildio · 11-20-2008, 03:21 PM

Could you fly there and pickup the pup, and let her fly back with you in the cabin? Except for the added expense and time this would be a good idea. I was considering this option myself until I saw the price of a round trip flight between NJ & MO.

snoopymom · 11-20-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bildio

Could you fly there and pickup the pup, and let her fly back with you in the cabin?

This would be my advice, too. You would have to pay for your ticket, but you'd save on shipping the puppy. If you could see both puppies in person, then you'd know which one was the right choice.

Lovely05 · 11-20-2008, 04:08 PM

I never judge you about not being able to decide on which dog to adopt. I offered a suggestion on listing the qualities you like about each dog and choosing the dog that has the qualities that you like the best. I expressed not adopting a dog until you are 100% sure you want the dog. I want you to feel happy not experience regret after adopting a dog. In addition, all of my posts on this thread mention that adopting a dog is an individual choice. When you ask people for help then everybody will give you their opinion. Everybody has an opinion and that does not make his or her opinion right or wrong. I would take people suggestions and adopt the dog I want. Just like Obama is doing. He is not letting America choose his dog. Sometimes there is a danger in asking for people's advice. I cannot wait to see your new puppy(s) on Yorkie Talk. Good Luck!

melanie daley · 11-20-2008, 04:28 PM

This is a subject (and I wasn't going to post, but finally couldn't resist) that is a VERY intense one for most of us... TLC (if I may) wasn't trying to turn you away from purchasing this puppy, I know that for a fact. I think what most people are trying to do is make you aware, and help, plain and simple. When I bought Roxi I didn't know about mills, USDA lists, or anything of the like. I didn't even know about YT!! So my point is that Roxi came from a USDA "breeder"... I LOVE the way Roxi looks, size, coloring, everything. Shes healthy & absolutley gorgeous. So when we decided to get another, I had posted about Roxi's "breeder". Another YT member looked up the "breeders" name (same as TLC has done for you) and she turned up on the USDA list.
I was SO upset, but I knew in my heart of hearts what we would find... But I KNEW I could NOT get Rocco from her.. Even though Roxi is so wonderful and perfect.. And as you have said, being a lawyer, you know how costly and time consuming litigation can be... Not saying this would happen, but actually going to a breeders home, seeing the parents, and seeing how these dogs are bred and live is just the best way to go.. If you DO decide on either, or both of these pups, at least GO to the place and SEE the pups, the parents, and how the dogs live. I'm sure it would be a very minimal cost to you in comparison to the alternative of vet bills and litigation should something go wrong, God forbid...

Please don't take anything you are reading as any kind of personal attack, its about sharing knowledge, experience and facts thats all... So I wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide!

Judy in Waco · 11-20-2008, 04:46 PM

To the residents of Missouri and Pennsylvania -

I honestly and with my whole heart do NOT believe that you as YT members are judged by the state you are from. People on this site do not discriminate in that way. If your posts haven't received many responses, it's probably just that there are so many posts on this site now, that unfortunately many get overlooked. Please do not think that it's any reflection on how well-liked you are.

I also believe that there are MANY incredibly wonderful things about your states, and just because they are known to have a very high percentage of puppy mills and/or USDA breeders, that does not mean that ALL of the breeders are USDA or Puppy mills. What it DOES mean is that you need to be careful. I'm sure there are puppy mills in every community, just as there are good breeders in most communities.

To the OP - I think we all like to think that the breeders we speak to are honest, but if you frequent the sick/injured sections of this forum for any length of time, you will sadly learn that sometimes they are not.

You will be welcome here at YT with open arms no matter what you decide. People here are not attacking you that I have seen. Most of us just want to make sure that you have the knowledge to make a fully informed decision. That decision though is up to you and of course we will respect it.

It's a tough choice and a very important one. I wish you only the best. Please keep us updated.

melanie daley · 11-20-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Judy in Waco

To the residents of Missouri and Pennsylvania -

I honestly and with my whole heart do NOT believe that you as YT members are judged by the state you are from. People on this site do not discriminate in that way. If your posts haven't received many responses, it's probably just that there are so many posts on this site now, that unfortunately many get overlooked. Please do not think that it's any reflection on how well-liked you are.

I also believe that there are MANY incredibly wonderful things about your states, and just because they are known to have a very high percentage of puppy mills and/or USDA breeders, that does not mean that ALL of the breeders are USDA or Puppy mills. What it DOES mean is that you need to be careful. I'm sure there are puppy mills in every community, just as there are good breeders in most communities.

To the OP - I think we all like to think that the breeders we speak to are honest, but if you frequent the sick/injured sections of this forum for any length of time, you will sadly learn that sometimes they are not.

You will be welcome here at YT with open arms no matter what you decide. People here are not attacking you that I have seen. Most of us just want to make sure that you have the knowledge to make a fully informed decision. That decision though is up to you and of course we will respect it.

It's a tough choice and a very important one. I wish you only the best. Please keep us updated.

SamiNFurbabies · 11-20-2008, 05:02 PM

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Please don't take anything you are reading as any kind of personal attack, its about sharing knowledge, experience and facts thats all... So I wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide!
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Great post, Melanie---
to the op:
I'd also like to add: Just because you are a lawyer, does not mean that puppymills can't pull one over on ya!
Look at Oprah...she's very powerful, very rich---she is a journalist for goodness sakes!!! She has people doing research for her--- and yet, many believe that she got her goldens from puppymills.
This is a lifelong commitment---and a decision that shouldn't be taken lightly. I think that everyone here is very kind and has been very helpful in this thread and I hope that you take their advice.

manolos mom · 11-20-2008, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by babylola nyc

I never said my puppy was 8 weeks. I said the new puppy would be 10 weeks if I asked to have her shipped next week. Not sure where your getting that from, but not from me. I did state that I knew puppies being shipped at 8, 10 and 12 weeks.

Girl,people on Yorkie Talk are lawyers and want nothing but to defend those innocent pups and YOU...Trust in all these comments. They just want to inform you...I have a daughter in Medical school but I still teach her alot.Thats all these folks are doing with you,teaching you the facts.So listen,learn and you are going to be a great mom to those 2 babies waiting for you......SMILE and God Bless

Tabatha00 · 11-21-2008, 07:16 AM

IMO I think little Lola is the cutest! HOWEVER, you need to get the puppy YOU are in love with. If Lola isn't it then she's just not it. Someone will fall in love with her the way you have fallen in love with the other one. Don't feel bad. When I look for a new animal I ALWAYS go with the one I think is the cutest!!!!

When we went to pick up my Mufasa there were 2 yorkies to choose from. Mufasa and his brother. Mufasa was the fatter yorkie and PLAYFUL, his brother was smaller and a cuddler. As much as I wanted a cuddly puppy to snuggle with I fell in love with Mufasa and his face, the fact he was a fatty fat and he was just so stinkin playful. Me and my daughter fell in love with Mufasa and my son and husband wanted his brother. I won out (as I should have...ha) and it was the best decision because I just fell in love with him and I may have fallen in love with the other one but I didn't know that at the time.

You need to pick the one you are in love with!

Judy in Waco · 11-21-2008, 08:38 AM

I just realized that no one has suggested the most obvious thing you could do. Ask a couple of people here on YT who live in the area to check out the breeder and facility in person and then call and tell you what they thought.

Maybe he/she could take a video camera and film the pups at play.

And since we know that this is USDA licensed facilty and you are an attorney, look at the inspection reports.

11-20-2008, 02:05 PM	#93
heatherm0890 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Greenville,North Carolina, US Posts: 875	ok, YT is just trying to help, they deeply care about yorkies so I am sure they are not trying to turn you off the buying dog. I take their words of advice seriously because like you, I am getting my first puppy. They have many years of experience I think they are just trying to help. if you didnt want opinions you should not have posted...you asked for help and they are trying to help you...If you are serious about getting your dog, you should not let anything persuade you otherwise...Just take in their advice, they are only trying to help and offer you sound advice __________________ **Bailee's Mommy **

11-20-2008, 03:21 PM	#96
bildio Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Havre de Grace, MD Posts: 1,536	Could you fly there and pickup the pup, and let her fly back with you in the cabin? Except for the added expense and time this would be a good idea. I was considering this option myself until I saw the price of a round trip flight between NJ & MO. __________________ *Niko (3 yrs) Gus (5 yrs)* *Squirt (17 yrs - RIP)* Last edited by bildio; 11-20-2008 at 03:23 PM.

11-20-2008, 04:28 PM	#99
melanie daley Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Belmont Shore SoCal Posts: 852	This is a subject (and I wasn't going to post, but finally couldn't resist) that is a VERY intense one for most of us... TLC (if I may) wasn't trying to turn you away from purchasing this puppy, I know that for a fact. I think what most people are trying to do is make you aware, and help, plain and simple. When I bought Roxi I didn't know about mills, USDA lists, or anything of the like. I didn't even know about YT!! So my point is that Roxi came from a USDA "breeder"... I LOVE the way Roxi looks, size, coloring, everything. Shes healthy & absolutley gorgeous. So when we decided to get another, I had posted about Roxi's "breeder". Another YT member looked up the "breeders" name (same as TLC has done for you) and she turned up on the USDA list. I was SO upset, but I knew in my heart of hearts what we would find... But I KNEW I could NOT get Rocco from her.. Even though Roxi is so wonderful and perfect.. And as you have said, being a lawyer, you know how costly and time consuming litigation can be... Not saying this would happen, but actually going to a breeders home, seeing the parents, and seeing how these dogs are bred and live is just the best way to go.. If you DO decide on either, or both of these pups, at least GO to the place and SEE the pups, the parents, and how the dogs live. I'm sure it would be a very minimal cost to you in comparison to the alternative of vet bills and litigation should something go wrong, God forbid... Please don't take anything you are reading as any kind of personal attack, its about sharing knowledge, experience and facts thats all... So I wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide! __________________ Melanie Roxi & Rocco Last edited by melanie daley; 11-20-2008 at 04:31 PM.

11-20-2008, 04:46 PM	#100
Judy in Waco Gizzy & Kandi spoil me Donating Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Waco, Texas Posts: 8,477	To the residents of Missouri and Pennsylvania - I honestly and with my whole heart do NOT believe that you as YT members are judged by the state you are from. People on this site do not discriminate in that way. If your posts haven't received many responses, it's probably just that there are so many posts on this site now, that unfortunately many get overlooked. Please do not think that it's any reflection on how well-liked you are. I also believe that there are MANY incredibly wonderful things about your states, and just because they are known to have a very high percentage of puppy mills and/or USDA breeders, that does not mean that ALL of the breeders are USDA or Puppy mills. What it DOES mean is that you need to be careful. I'm sure there are puppy mills in every community, just as there are good breeders in most communities. To the OP - I think we all like to think that the breeders we speak to are honest, but if you frequent the sick/injured sections of this forum for any length of time, you will sadly learn that sometimes they are not. You will be welcome here at YT with open arms no matter what you decide. People here are not attacking you that I have seen. Most of us just want to make sure that you have the knowledge to make a fully informed decision. That decision though is up to you and of course we will respect it. It's a tough choice and a very important one. I wish you only the best. Please keep us updated. __________________ The fullness of our heart is expressed in our eyes, in our touch, in what we write, in what we say, in the way we walk, the way we receive, the way we need. -Mother Teresa ( RIP Gizmo 3/9/07-8/18/12)

11-21-2008, 08:38 AM	#105
Judy in Waco Gizzy & Kandi spoil me Donating Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Waco, Texas Posts: 8,477	Idea! I just realized that no one has suggested the most obvious thing you could do. Ask a couple of people here on YT who live in the area to check out the breeder and facility in person and then call and tell you what they thought. Maybe he/she could take a video camera and film the pups at play. And since we know that this is USDA licensed facilty and you are an attorney, look at the inspection reports. __________________ The fullness of our heart is expressed in our eyes, in our touch, in what we write, in what we say, in the way we walk, the way we receive, the way we need. -Mother Teresa ( RIP Gizmo 3/9/07-8/18/12)

11-20-2008, 01:54 PM	#91
babylola nyc No Longer a Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New York, NY, USA Posts: 35	Again, this is why the person who posted about my breeder caused me to have a slight issue. Everyone thinks my breeder is this horrible person and she is not. I HAVE A HEALTH GUARANTEE! I have made myself perfectly clear to her and drafted another contract for this breeder to sign. We both signed our respective agreements. I have stated in this thread, that she wont screw me over in anyway (not that I believe she will), but if something goes wrong, my heat will be broken and she will be in trouble. And the fact that I have to pay for the second dog and now have double the cost of everything...allows me to know that maybe that is not the way I should go. But, given that my cousin who lives in my building is able to purchase the pup -- we will have them close by. A few of my friends that live near me here in the city are considering on purchashing one of them if I dont. So, when I am considering both....its just doesnt mean me by myself. And all of these reputable breeders that I have gone to in NY and have been to their homes have a 1year health guarantee. I went and saw 3 and spoke to 4 of them. I didnt like any. They were breeding for money and in the summer, they kept them outside! So, again, you cant judge someone by a title---breeder, commercial breeder.....etc. I think my breeder is far better than any of the ones I have seen. I have received so many private messages from YT members upset at how many of you have spoken on this thread. I can see why now. I try to help people....never upset or aggravate them. I also dont judge unless I have seen with my own eyes. I see on TV all the time the health department shutting down restaurants....just because the majority may be a chinese one, doesnt mean I would never go to a Chinese restaurant ever again. I need to see with my own eyes and feel with my heart if that is a place I want to sit and eat. I needed to see with my own eyes about this breeder and feel with my own heart if this is the right decision to make. Personally, I am thinking that I should just lose the money I paid and forget even getting a dog. You have really turned me off from the whole situation!

11-20-2008, 04:08 PM	#98
Lovely05 No Longer a Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Home Posts: 192	I never judge you about not being able to decide on which dog to adopt. I offered a suggestion on listing the qualities you like about each dog and choosing the dog that has the qualities that you like the best. I expressed not adopting a dog until you are 100% sure you want the dog. I want you to feel happy not experience regret after adopting a dog. In addition, all of my posts on this thread mention that adopting a dog is an individual choice. When you ask people for help then everybody will give you their opinion. Everybody has an opinion and that does not make his or her opinion right or wrong. I would take people suggestions and adopt the dog I want. Just like Obama is doing. He is not letting America choose his dog. Sometimes there is a danger in asking for people's advice. I cannot wait to see your new puppy(s) on Yorkie Talk. Good Luck!

11-21-2008, 07:16 AM	#104
Tabatha00 YT Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florence, Alabama Posts: 287	IMO I think little Lola is the cutest! HOWEVER, you need to get the puppy YOU are in love with. If Lola isn't it then she's just not it. Someone will fall in love with her the way you have fallen in love with the other one. Don't feel bad. When I look for a new animal I ALWAYS go with the one I think is the cutest!!!! When we went to pick up my Mufasa there were 2 yorkies to choose from. Mufasa and his brother. Mufasa was the fatter yorkie and PLAYFUL, his brother was smaller and a cuddler. As much as I wanted a cuddly puppy to snuggle with I fell in love with Mufasa and his face, the fact he was a fatty fat and he was just so stinkin playful. Me and my daughter fell in love with Mufasa and my son and husband wanted his brother. I won out (as I should have...ha) and it was the best decision because I just fell in love with him and I may have fallen in love with the other one but I didn't know that at the time. You need to pick the one you are in love with!