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Old 04-20-2011, 07:06 AM   #1
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We brought our little tricolour yorkie Sprite home at the end of January when she was 19 weeks old. We love her dearly but we're having no luck with potty training. We have 2 other dogs and so this is not our first time potty training. All the dogs are fed on a schedule, and they are crate trained, but unlike our other two, Sprite would constantly mess in her crate for the first several weeks (yes, we only gave her enough room to turn around). She goes outside and does her business with no problems (I go with her), but she also does her business indoors with no problem Her poops are finally predictable, but we're having to take her outside every hour, sometimes more, where she'll pee, but that doesn't seem to stop her from peeing inside 10 minutes later. She's never been given full run of the house because of this. The last week I've gone back to keeping her on a leash indoors or crated at all times, but last night I caught her peeing at my feet while on her leash not 5 minutes after she peed outside. She's a happy, well-balanced little dog and she gets lots of playtime, attention etc, but this problem is really seeming overwhelming. I don't see any sign at all that it's related to anxiety. At the worst point, we were cleaning up 10 to 15 pees/poops inside daily. Surely that can't be normal. I don't see any signs of urinary infection, and she's been to the vets for a check-up about this and was spayed 3 weeks ago. She's now 7 months old and we want to get this fixed so we can get our normal lives back. I'd really appreciate any advice. Is this normal for Yorkies or is our Sprite a special challenge? Thanks
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Its beeing so difficult to potty training lily, I think that is a yorkie problem. They are not easy to potty train! You need some advice from the experts
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Yorkies are harder to housebreak, but I'm a little concerned that she's literally going every 5 or 10 minutes, that's not normal. When the vet checked her, did he actually analize a sample of her urine? that's the only truely acurate way to check for a UTI and they are somewhat common after spay surgery.

If he did and she's clear, do you give her enough time outside to finish? Some puppies squat to go but then get distracted and don't finish. Does she still mess in her kennel? and if so is it just pee or poop also? I know you said you don't believe it's anxiety, but our Akita seemed very happy and was completely healthy and she would make huge messes in her kennel up to 11 months old even if we were only gone for an hour - we determined seperation anxiety, gave her mild medication from our vet and worked on modification training and with a few weeks she stopped and never did it again. It's not normal for them to go in their kennel, so she either has anxiety that you don't realize, a medical problem such as a UTI, or she was left in there too long.

What do you do when she does have an accident? You should clean up the mess with paper towel and take her and the towel outside and put it on the ground to show her "this is where it goes". Make sure she gets TONS of praise when she does go outside, but don't repremand harshly when she goes on the floor, just quickly get her outside to finish and really praise like crazy.

Sounds like you know what you're doing based on everything you mentioned, just throwing some things at you that you didn't. I'd definatly rule out a UTI first though (with a urine sample specimen) if you haven't already because it does sound like you're doing everything right and that's really frequent.

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It sounds like you have a real mess on your hands! Looks like you are doing a really good job with her all except this problem. I agree about taking her poo out doors and putting where you expect her to do her business. I would also try paper training her. Be sure to place several layers of news papers near the door that you use on regular basis. When she has an accident putting the poo on the papers will show her where you want her to go when training in the house. But your ultimate goal being Out Side Only! Paper training will get you one step closer to that goal.

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Hello everyone,
We brought our little tricolour yorkie Sprite home at the end of January when she was 19 weeks old. We love her dearly but we're having no luck with potty training. We have 2 other dogs and so this is not our first time potty training. All the dogs are fed on a schedule, and they are crate trained, but unlike our other two, Sprite would constantly mess in her crate for the first several weeks (yes, we only gave her enough room to turn around). She goes outside and does her business with no problems (I go with her), but she also does her business indoors with no problem Her poops are finally predictable, but we're having to take her outside every hour, sometimes more, where she'll pee, but that doesn't seem to stop her from peeing inside 10 minutes later. She's never been given full run of the house because of this. The last week I've gone back to keeping her on a leash indoors or crated at all times, but last night I caught her peeing at my feet while on her leash not 5 minutes after she peed outside. She's a happy, well-balanced little dog and she gets lots of playtime, attention etc, but this problem is really seeming overwhelming. I don't see any sign at all that it's related to anxiety. At the worst point, we were cleaning up 10 to 15 pees/poops inside daily. Surely that can't be normal. I don't see any signs of urinary infection, and she's been to the vets for a check-up about this and was spayed 3 weeks ago. She's now 7 months old and we want to get this fixed so we can get our normal lives back. I'd really appreciate any advice. Is this normal for Yorkies or is our Sprite a special challenge? Thanks


sounds like my 8 month old yorkie (she only pees or poops inside about 3 times a day, which is a great improvement from a month ago) and i had this same problem with my now 2 yr old yorkie and eventually, he got it at about 1 yr old. i just think it's gonna take our yorkies a little longer. good luck!
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I had a terrible time potty training my first little pup. I got advice from my vet and a breeder to try wee pads unstead of going outside. That worked like a charm. She potty trained quickly. I never had a problem with yorkies potty training again since I changed to wee pads.
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I would keep her confined while in training...don't give her a chance to fail...and success starts with you...I have a 7 month old boy Harley...What I do is take him out every 2 to 3 hours, I tell him while we are on our way to the door...need to potty, lets go outside to potty...I try and make it fun...once we are outside I say "go potty" and I keep saying this until he pee's...than I throw a potty party with lots of praise and a treat...and when I know its time for them to poop after they have peed I will say "hurry up" until they poop...again when he does his business I throw a potty party and give a treat...I still do this with my 2 1/2 year old girl Bella...Our babies love to please us...they will go above and beyond to please us...and should be rewarded for it...once they learn they get a reward they will continue to do what pleases you so they get their reward...They are very smart cookies

If Harley doesn't go when we go outside, after about 15 to 20 minutes I will bring him back in I put him in his play yard..he gets no treat and no play time...I wait 10 minutes or so and I take him back out to try again until he does...He is doing really well now...he is hardly ever in his play yard anymore...Yay!!...but I still watch him like a hawk and take him out every few hours....You have to be very consistent with your training and the rewards.

until she is trained I would keep her confined in a play yard/ x pen...I'm not a fan of crate training, I only use a crate for travel.

and also you need to clean the areas that she has pottied in with a good pet odor cleaner like Natures Miracle...if you don't do that no matter how well your training is...if left, she will smell her pee or poo and will continue to potty there....smelling pee or poop is a trigger for them...just like when I go to the bathroom to take a shower, even if I don't have to pee as soon as I turn the shower on I have to pee than...its the same for them LOL ...You can get the Natures Miracle in pet smart...its the best...Good luck!
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Thanks to all of you for the great suggestions. Just to clarify, Sprite has been completely clean in her crate for 6 weeks now, hurray, but when she was messing in her crate, it was both pee and poop (she was also eating her poop ). Fortunately I am home during the day, so she is rarely left for more than a couple of hours in her crate during the day, but she's not having accidents in her crate anymore. She makes it through the night (9 hours) in her crate without any problems. When we first started house training we used an ex-pen and pee pads, but she would mess everywhere in the pen and walk through it etc, so we put that away and moved on to outdoor training (that was our goal anyway since the other 2 dogs go outside for their business). I brought the used pee pads outside to get her started, and we don't have any problems with her going outside. She does her business quickly and we give her lots of praise and treats. I'm right outside with her and the other two dogs. She sometimes will pee outside twice before she goes back in. We put bells on the door that she will ring when she wants to go outside, so she is very smart and understands "outside." The problem is that she is going inside too. I've never experienced this before after they supposedly understand the concept. We have a gallon jug of Natures Miracle which I use to clean up, and the jug is almost empty now. I also wash the floors with bleach. She did have her urine tested 6 weeks ago when she was in the hospital for an adverse rabies vaccine reaction and it was normal then. I've made an appointment today with the vet to have it tested again (thanks for that idea!). I'm just wondering, does anyone think this problem could possibly be marking? We have 2 other dogs, both spayed females, and although all three get along great, I wonder if this might be territorial behaviour. I am so appreciative of your ideas, and will keep working at this problem till we get it solved. I'll let you know the results from the vet.
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Thanks to all of you for the great suggestions. Just to clarify, Sprite has been completely clean in her crate for 6 weeks now, hurray, but when she was messing in her crate, it was both pee and poop (she was also eating her poop ). Fortunately I am home during the day, so she is rarely left for more than a couple of hours in her crate during the day, but she's not having accidents in her crate anymore. She makes it through the night (9 hours) in her crate without any problems. When we first started house training we used an ex-pen and pee pads, but she would mess everywhere in the pen and walk through it etc, so we put that away and moved on to outdoor training (that was our goal anyway since the other 2 dogs go outside for their business). I brought the used pee pads outside to get her started, and we don't have any problems with her going outside. She does her business quickly and we give her lots of praise and treats. I'm right outside with her and the other two dogs. She sometimes will pee outside twice before she goes back in. We put bells on the door that she will ring when she wants to go outside, so she is very smart and understands "outside." The problem is that she is going inside too. I've never experienced this before after they supposedly understand the concept. We have a gallon jug of Natures Miracle which I use to clean up, and the jug is almost empty now. I also wash the floors with bleach. She did have her urine tested 6 weeks ago when she was in the hospital for an adverse rabies vaccine reaction and it was normal then. I've made an appointment today with the vet to have it tested again (thanks for that idea!). I'm just wondering, does anyone think this problem could possibly be marking? We have 2 other dogs, both spayed females, and although all three get along great, I wonder if this might be territorial behaviour. I am so appreciative of your ideas, and will keep working at this problem till we get it solved. I'll let you know the results from the vet.
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Thanks to all of you for the great suggestions. Just to clarify, Sprite has been completely clean in her crate for 6 weeks now, hurray, but when she was messing in her crate, it was both pee and poop (she was also eating her poop ). Fortunately I am home during the day, so she is rarely left for more than a couple of hours in her crate during the day, but she's not having accidents in her crate anymore. She makes it through the night (9 hours) in her crate without any problems. When we first started house training we used an ex-pen and pee pads, but she would mess everywhere in the pen and walk through it etc, so we put that away and moved on to outdoor training (that was our goal anyway since the other 2 dogs go outside for their business). I brought the used pee pads outside to get her started, and we don't have any problems with her going outside. She does her business quickly and we give her lots of praise and treats. I'm right outside with her and the other two dogs. She sometimes will pee outside twice before she goes back in. We put bells on the door that she will ring when she wants to go outside, so she is very smart and understands "outside." The problem is that she is going inside too. I've never experienced this before after they supposedly understand the concept. We have a gallon jug of Natures Miracle which I use to clean up, and the jug is almost empty now. I also wash the floors with bleach. She did have her urine tested 6 weeks ago when she was in the hospital for an adverse rabies vaccine reaction and it was normal then. I've made an appointment today with the vet to have it tested again (thanks for that idea!). I'm just wondering, does anyone think this problem could possibly be marking? We have 2 other dogs, both spayed females, and although all three get along great, I wonder if this might be territorial behaviour. I am so appreciative of your ideas, and will keep working at this problem till we get it solved. I'll let you know the results from the vet.
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That could very well be the case...Females mark too...when you have her spayed she might stop it...and I would make sure IF you catch her in the act...say NO in a firm voice and take her right outside.

PS...I would use vinegar and water to mop with...bleach doesn't work on pet odor I hear it makes it worst.
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I had a terrible time potty training my first little pup. I got advice from my vet and a breeder to try wee pads unstead of going outside. That worked like a charm. She potty trained quickly. I never had a problem with yorkies potty training again since I changed to wee pads.
This wee pad is just a regular pee pad right?
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When I was reading I thought of the " marking" idea- Ziva was hard to train and wasn't good at holding it, but still had similar problems to yours. She was spayed at 6 months and I was afraid something was damaged, we had everything checked out and put her on Proin temporarily. At about 8 months we had sudden territorial problems with Ziva and Lucy (10 yr old wheaten) it took 2-3 months to get that sorted out- letting Ziva become the "boss" (Lucy didn't care.)At the end of that craziness we had an outside trained pup, altho she will still mark a freshly washed dog bed if we don't let her have it first!
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Sprite saw the vet yesterday, Her urine only showed low levels of bacteria, but he felt it best to treat her for UTI anyway as he didn't want to risk missing something, so she started on Clavamox last evening. He also wanted to rule out that this frequent urination is a symptom of kidney or liver disease, so we had blood work done and should have the results tomorrow. Please keep you fingers crossed that the results are normal. She is still her happy, loving little self in spite of her difficulty housetraining. Sprite was spayed 3 weeks ago, so if it is marking, then the spay didn't seem to help very much so far. Also thanks for the advice about the bleach. I won't use it anymore!
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My pom was hard to potty train, took me 7 mos, and now Teddie has given me a run for my money too. He's 4 mos. and he would go out to pee, then come in and pee 5-10 minutes later. I figured out he wasn't pee'ing a lot while outside, would get distracted and want to play, so he'd relieve a little and hold some in. I got to taking him outside by himself without the other dogs as distractions and praised him like a king when he went...several squats. Now when he goes out with his brothers and sister I give him extra time to go. If I catch him squatting in the house, or sniffing around, I say OH NO and grab him and go out. The OH NO startles him and he is learning that no potty in the house. I always use the word potty, no other, so he knows the word and what it is for. Now I see when I say "Let's go potty" I can see the word recognition register across his face. Good luck, I know it's a bit frustrating at times.
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Sprite saw the vet yesterday, Her urine only showed low levels of bacteria, but he felt it best to treat her for UTI anyway as he didn't want to risk missing something, so she started on Clavamox last evening. He also wanted to rule out that this frequent urination is a symptom of kidney or liver disease, so we had blood work done and should have the results tomorrow. Please keep you fingers crossed that the results are normal. She is still her happy, loving little self in spite of her difficulty housetraining. Sprite was spayed 3 weeks ago, so if it is marking, then the spay didn't seem to help very much so far. Also thanks for the advice about the bleach. I won't use it anymore!
I have one that pees out of fear, anxiety, and joy. I hope you are able to rule out anything medical, that would be a great load off your mind. After that.... I guess take a deep breath and start at square one.

Do you correct her when she pees indoors? If she's tethered to you, and you catch her in the act, what do you do?
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