What does this mean??

[YorkieShadow]

What are appleheads and cobby bodies?
I never knew what either of these was until a few years ago.
Mickeys breeder says her dogs are cobbys being short and stout.
she dosent use the word appleheads but I have heard of them before.

[txshopper73]

I've heard of all of those terms except the apple head...I just thought that was used to describe chihuahuas. I guess it just means that their heads are rounder? Interesting. Now, it doesn't bother me when someone uses terms like that as long as they're not charging outrageous prices.

When some people look through ads or calls on the phone, and ask you to describe what they or the parents look like...what are you suppose to tell them? Terms are used to describe a particular look. Shorter snout says baby doll face. Longer snout says teddy bear face. VERY long snout is a wolfy face. JMO

But like I said, as long as the prices are average, use the terms. Don't use the terms and then charge $5,000 or $10,000...but price would tell you to stay away from those types of places anyway. JMHO

[feminvstr]

this is a great reference for you all so save in your fav places
http://www.apluspetgoods.com/petsupp...g-glossary.php


Apple Head: A round-shaped or dome-like head as seen in the Chihuahua.

Cobby: Compact, with a short body.

Foxy: Sharp expression; pointed nose with short foreface.

hope this helps

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

Just wondering if someone calls and ask you to describe a pup you have for sale ...what do you say???
I don't understand why people get put down because of the way they describe their pups..
Personally..I want to know..if I'm looking for a pup.

I am also not as cynical as some who would generalize and say that "EVERYONE" who uses these terms is "just in it for the money" because I do not believe that. I think these are pefectly acceptable descriptive words used in the "real" world by real people who breed dogs. They are not bad people, but they sell to the general public who know these terms and use them. I have no problem with "teacup" even though the AKC has not made it a classification...it is simply a descriptive word to mean a smaller than average dog of a given breed. We all know there are smaller yorkies and whether you call them "tiny" or teacup or micro mini, it really doesn't offend me. To deny that they exist makes one sound foolish imo. The majority of us on this board are not show people and we do not own show dogs, we own pets.

There is also nothing bad about breeding to make money...I mean why would you risk the lives of your females if not to hope to make a profit.....to "better the breed"? I think not...even "show breeders" expect to make some money ...otherwise why do it...ego? Maybe for some, but not the majority, and non show breeders are not ALL bad...they genuinely care about the animals, but lets face it, they are not working as hard as they do to produce these puppies and risking the lives of their females just to break even or altruistically to allow everyone the joy of owning a yorkie. Sure, there are some bad breeders out there but they are not the norm thank goodness. Sure there are some who will attempt to capitalize on the breed's popularity and make a quick buck but those people will very quickly learn that is is not an easy thing to do and they won't last long.

As for Babydoll faced, here is a link to a prevous thread here with photos:http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...=Babydoll+face

In my experience "tedddy bear" doesn't mean longer snout but rather a wider face with a lot of coat or hair on the face. The snout may not be as short as a baby doll face yorkie but it is still short and the main part of the descrition is the round or wider shape to the face and the full coat. This is desirable as opposed to a narrow face, long shout and very little hair.

Hope this helps.

Oh yeah...I am not a breeder....

[BamaFan121s]

Not that it relates to the original topic of this post, but I would just like to say that 1) I am a breeder and therefor feel like I have the right to comment here and 2) I niether do it for money or because I have an ego problem , as I am sure the other breeders here would agree? Just wanted to make that clear.

[BabyFidgette]

Baby is my "Baby doll," but I don't think she has a baby doll face (so to speak). She has a longer snout. She doesn't have a short body either. Still not sure about applehead. I don't think she does, though.

PS Thanks for all the replies! As I stated in my first post...I was just looking around. I have NO intentions of getting another dog right now. Not until I move (which won't be for awhile). I like looking at all the cuties. And when I saw the description, I had to know what they meant!

[gymbo68]

Well your lil baby is a cutie...I now think that it is time for some ice cream....

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by gymbo68

Well your lil baby is a cutie...I now think that it is time for some ice cream....

Yes indeed, ice cream it is!

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by BabyFidgette

Baby is my "Baby doll," but I don't think she has a baby doll face (so to speak). She has a longer snout. She doesn't have a short body either. Still not sure about applehead. I don't think she does, though.

PS Thanks for all the replies! As I stated in my first post...I was just looking around. I have NO intentions of getting another dog right now. Not until I move (which won't be for awhile). I like looking at all the cuties. And when I saw the description, I had to know what they meant!

You are doing exactly what I did! It is very smart imo!

I purchased my first little boy without knowing a lot about the breed, but I just knew I had loved yorkies all my life and had had other breeds (mostly poodles and shepherds), I knew they could be hurt by small children so I waited until my kids were all teenagers. I wanted him on the smaller side, not super tiny but small and I wanted Personality Plus.....I got my Hefner. The breeder called him "Lil Soldier" because of the way he marched around the room and acted all macho! He is not perfect and some breeders have told me they do not like his "look" at all, but I love him to death...he is definitely my "babydoll"...has a tongue that doesn't stay in and is long like a gecko!! And the sweetest most perfect personality you could ever want...a bit stubborn, but not a mean bone in his body and can he kiss???? Woooooo! Loves all people and all dogs and wants to say hello and play with EVERYONE!! He does not discriminate!

But, he has faults according to show breeders and the "standard". He has a cotton coat, he has a lot of silver in his coat, he doesn't have a perfect dead level topline (across his back). His eyes are on the small side and he is only 4 lbs.

While my idea of my Dream Puppy (looks wise that is) is not the YTCA breed standard, after owning yorkies for a while and seeing all the different ones at my meetups and here on YT, I started to realize what "look" I liked.

When I decided to get another puppy I had a very specific idea of what I wanted and I was willing to wait and not buy on impulse until I found her. Heres is the description I wrote down.....not everyone's will be mine of course because everyone likes certain things that are different:

A Healthy (always the first and foremost priority), smart, tiny (under 5 lbs as adult) female with a baby doll face (short snout), small, well set ears, big, but not too big (not bulgy) eyes, short, compact (cobby) body, full, silky, black coat and an amazing, spunky personality with attitude.

It took me about 6 months and I looked at a lot dogs, went to yorkie shows, saw show quality dogs, talked to all kinds of breeders and I found her and she is everything and more than I imagined. I got her from a breeder with 30 years experience in breeding the "look" I like and Ava is tiny but healthy as a horse...eats like there is no tomorrow, has never had a low blood sugar episode, has never even thrown up (she is 8 months old) is smart as a whip (learned to sit in one five minute session)...lol...she is ruled by her tummy so she is alert when there are treats around and she will do "anything" for a treat!! Loves to please too. The breeder had her almost 100% peepad trained when I got her at 11 weeks and she put my others to shame on her first day home.

She, however, is not "perfect" either. She is a living, breathing being and her back legs are slightly longer than her front. She had a corneal ulcer from a vaccine when she was three months old and has a scar on her eye now. Do I love her any less...no way! Is she what everyone likes?....no .....and she has been critized by those who follow the breed standard. Does that bother me? No way...I am not a breeder and I don't show my dogs. They are service animals so my reasons for wanting small and smart and great temperaments as my priorities in a dog are understandable.

The reason I stated that I am not a breeder is because I have been criticized by breeders for posting in this section without stating that I am not a breeder so I try to remember to make that disclaimer now.

I feel very comfortable posting here on threads on issues that I feel I have knowledge about and make no apologies for it. I do not feel that just because I am not a breeder that I cannot learn about the breed and pass that knowledge on to others. I respect and have learned a lot from some of the breeders here. And....believe it or not.... I have actually found info that some of the breeders have found helpful too and that they did not know so it is definitely a two way street.

I just appreciate so much the open minds on here and the willingness to listen to all viewpoints without unnecessary negativity.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Not that it relates to the original topic of this post, but I would just like to say that 1) I am a breeder and therefor feel like I have the right to comment here and 2) I niether do it for money or because I have an ego problem , as I am sure the other breeders here would agree? Just wanted to make that clear.

I hear you and I'd love to hear your feelings on all the descriptive terms that are being used lately. As a breeder... do you feel they are used for selling tools and sometimes deceiving the customer ?

but to further share feelings .....I see lots of sites saying babydolls etc - matter of fact....Chanels breeder does it herself - I personally love Chanels looks.... but the yorkies I see her selling do NOT have any special look about them at all - she upped her prices as her Words changed on her website to describe her yorkies. And believe me - I've followed her website for 3-1.5 years - she went from average prices to selling so called teacups - My friend has a yorkie from Chanels breeder and she weighs over 14 lbs

I think it's just too bad that the "Catch" words like Teacup and "Dollface" mislead customers into thinking they're getting something special.

[feminvstr]

If all breeders would follow the basic recipe of the breed standard the yorkie breed would not be so duilted with so many different looks and sizes. Instead too many breeders breed whats cute or the flavor of the month.

When one decides to breed "because they can" most do not consider the worthiness and or overall quality of the stud/bitch. Without sound reason or knowledge they breed because "oops my dog got my girl" or "demands from family members wanting a free puppy" or "it would be fun" or and I love this one "we can't afford to buy another so we thought we would breed her so we can have another puppy" The dogs more often than not reflect only a gimmer of the standard, they sell the remaining pups on the open market with full registration allowing yet another "because they can breeder" to reproduce, watering down the standard recipe, until it turns bland.

The standard "recipe" was created for all to follow when breeding responsibly "the standard yorkie" not to strive for a tea cup, baby doll, doll face, teddy bear nor exclusively a show yorkie. All purebreeds were developed using a specific recipe, something like you omit the flour your cake will never rise or the further you deviate from the recipe you have your own creation.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by red98vett

I hear you and I'd love to hear your feelings on all the descriptive terms that are being used lately. As a breeder... do you feel they are used for selling tools and sometimes deceiving the customer ?

but to further share feelings .....I see lots of sites saying babydolls etc - matter of fact....Chanels breeder does it herself - I personally love Chanels looks.... but the yorkies I see her selling do NOT have any special look about them at all - she upped her prices as her Words changed on her website to describe her yorkies. And believe me - I've followed her website for 3-1.5 years - she went from average prices to selling so called teacups - My friend has a yorkie from Chanels breeder and she weighs over 14 lbs

I think it's just too bad that the "Catch" words like Teacup and "Dollface" mislead customers into thinking they're getting something special.

Villette, to answer your question, yes I do feel as if they are used SOMETIMES to jack up prices and decieve prospetive owners--usually those who have researched the breed very little and are not aware that they are not getting something 'special' and 'rare.' I also think such uninformed people are the ones who pay these outrageous prices because again, they do not know anybetter. Pesonally, when I hear these terms, such as, what was it, applecones? peachfuzz? teady bear? whatever, I laugh because to be quite honest, I just thinik it is funny. At the same time, I don't get mad when people describe them as 'tiny' or 'teacup' or 'miniature' when it is done so as a descriptive term, rather than for marketing purposes. I think it is just a way to tell people that the dog being described is 'smaller than standard size,' for whatever reason that may be.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

If all breeders would follow the basic recipe of the breed standard the yorkie breed would not be so duilted with so many different looks and sizes. Instead too many breeders breed whats cute or the flavor of the month.

When one decides to breed "because they can" most do not consider the worthiness and or overall quality of the stud/bitch. Without sound reason or knowledge they breed because "oops my dog got my girl" or "demands from family members wanting a free puppy" or "it would be fun" or and I love this one "we can't afford to buy another so we thought we would breed her so we can have another puppy" The dogs more often than not reflect only a gimmer of the standard, they sell the remaining pups on the open market with full registration allowing yet another "because they can breeder" to reproduce, watering down the standard recipe, until it turns bland.

The standard "recipe" was created for all to follow when breeding responsibly "the standard yorkie" not to strive for a tea cup, baby doll, doll face, teddy bear nor exclusively a show yorkie. All purebreeds were developed using a specific recipe, something like you omit the flour your cake will never rise or the further you deviate from the recipe you have your own creation.

Well said!

[gymbo68]

My favorite new descriptor is RARE...

[whispersmom2]

I know a person who breeds and she always talks about her pups having thick coats like little bears. I have tried for 4 years to convince her that those coats are the dark or black wooly coats that mat and are totally undesirable. I think she just uses the term now to get my goat..doesn't work. She just says her dogs are "puttier" than any that she sees in the show ring. Whattya gonna do except not refer to her when someone is looking for a puppy. I am seeing more puppies with huge ears too. I know sometimes it is because of the hair left to grow and not being clippered. Some still look like Dumbo. Of course, if anyone breeds long enough they will get a puppy that has all the faults but to use catch phrases to describe the faults and sell for more is not responsible.
I love cobby bodies on my Yorkies and I love appleheads on other's Chis..