What does this mean??

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

The reason I stated that I am not a breeder is because I have been criticized by breeders for posting in this section without stating that I am not a breeder so I try to remember to make that disclaimer now.

I feel very comfortable posting here on threads on issues that I feel I have knowledge about and make no apologies for it. I do not feel that just because I am not a breeder that I cannot learn about the breed and pass that knowledge on to others. I respect and have learned a lot from some of the breeders here. And....believe it or not.... I have actually found info that some of the breeders have found helpful too and that they did not know so it is definitely a two way street.

I just appreciate so much the open minds on here and the willingness to listen to all viewpoints without unnecessary negativity.

SoCal...please let me point out that, speaking for myself, I have never before criticized you for not being a breeder and posting here. I believe there is valuable information here for breeders and non-breeders alike and I think everyone should feel free to comment here as they wish. Also, I have never challenged you knowledge on Yorkies or any other breed of dog so I hope that neither you nor any of the other members here took my comments as such.
In reading your comment, I felt as if your claim was that the only possible motivations for breeders and breeding is either EGO or MONEY. Again, this is what I took it to mean. Seeing as I am a breeder, I took this to be somewhat, no very, insulting and felt obliged to defend myself. As YOU stated, you are not a breeder--as someone who does breed, I felt I would take the time to let you know, this is not the motivation of everyone, at least not me. Again, this was MY TAKE on your comments, if I have misunderstood, please feel free to explain further.

Boom-Boom tree anyone?

[shelbysmom]

Originally Posted by whispersmom2

I know a person who breeds and she always talks about her pups having thick coats like little bears. I have tried for 4 years to convince her that those coats are the dark or black wooly coats that mat and are totally undesirable. I think she just uses the term now to get my goat..doesn't work. She just says her dogs are "puttier" than any that she sees in the show ring. Whattya gonna do except not refer to her when someone is looking for a puppy. I am seeing more puppies with huge ears too. I know sometimes it is because of the hair left to grow and not being clippered. Some still look like Dumbo. Of course, if anyone breeds long enough they will get a puppy that has all the faults but to use catch phrases to describe the faults and sell for more is not responsible.
I love cobby bodies on my Yorkies and I love appleheads on other's Chis..

How about breeding for desirable, attractive faults?

Aren't tri-colored, parti and chocolate all considered faults ? As in not maintaining the standard?

I met a few breeders when I was searching and while they still show their dogs and maintain the standard on most issues, some are trying to breed more cobby dogs and some are trying for more of a babydoll face. They consider these traits desirable and they market them.

How do you see this as being different from breeding for desirable colors that are not the standard?

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

Just wondering if someone calls and ask you to describe a pup you have for sale ...what do you say???
I don't understand why people get put down because of the way they describe their pups..
Personally..I want to know..if I'm looking for a pup.

Hahaha..BUSTED!!..lolol. I know, I am so extreme in my beliefs at times. Seriously I personally feel there is a sterotype that goes with mentioning those 'descriptive terms'. Are all those that say Babydoll greasy evil puppymillers? Probably not, but most are and that's a fact. Look at puppypfind. That is a place where most of the high volume commercial breeding facilities post ads (I'm sure there are other places). There are also good hearted honest breeders that only want the best for their babies that post on there (myself included). But I feel when majoirty rules you need to make people aware. I do take back my originial statement that ALL that use that description are Millers..that is simply not true but the high majority do. I have vowed to not use those specific words. The dictionary and Thesauraus have provided me with other alternatives.

I can be a perfectionist sometimes, but I persoanlly think that breeders should only breed if they are willing to do everything possible to make sure their foundation is healthy and sound, and within the standard.

**These are just my opinions, not speaking of anyone in particular.**

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

SoCal...please let me point out that, speaking for myself, I have never before criticized you for not being a breeder and posting here. I believe there is valuable information here for breeders and non-breeders alike and I think everyone should feel free to comment here as they wish. Also, I have never challenged you knowledge on Yorkies or any other breed of dog so I hope that neither you nor any of the other members here took my comments as such.
In reading your comment, I felt as if your claim was that the only possible motivations for breeders and breeding is either EGO or MONEY. Again, this is what I took it to mean. Seeing as I am a breeder, I took this to be somewhat, no very, insulting and felt obliged to defend myself. As YOU stated, you are not a breeder--as someone who does breed, I felt I would take the time to let you know, this is not the motivation of everyone, at least not me. Again, this was MY TAKE on your comments, if I have misunderstood, please feel free to explain further.
Boom-Boom tree anyone?

I'm not sure you read her post right ..this is what she said about breeder NOT show breeder
non show breeders are not ALL bad...they genuinely care about the animals, but lets face it, they are not working as hard as they do to produce these puppies and risking the lives of their females just to break even or altruistically to allow everyone the joy of owning a yorkie. Sure, there are some bad breeders out there but they are not the norm thank goodness. Sure there are some who will attempt to capitalize on the breed's popularity and make a quick buck but those people will very quickly learn that is is not an easy thing to do and they won't last long.

Show Breeders she said
There is also nothing bad about breeding to make money...I mean why would you risk the lives of your females if not to hope to make a profit.....to "better the breed"? I think not...even "show breeders" expect to make some money ...otherwise why do it...ego? Maybe for some, but not the majority,


And if I had a show dog man what and EGO I have..
My head would be so big ..I wouldn't be able to get through the door...

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

Hahaha..BUSTED!!..lolol. I know, I am so extreme in my beliefs at times. Seriously I personally feel there is a sterotype that goes with mentioning those 'descriptive terms'. Are all those that say Babydoll greasy evil puppymillers? Probably not, but most are and that's a fact. Look at puppypfind. That is a place where most of the high volume commercial breeding facilities post ads (I'm sure there are other places). There are also good hearted honest breeders that only want the best for their babies that post on there (myself included). But I feel when majoirty rules you need to make people aware. I do take back my originial statement that ALL that use that description are Millers..that is simply not true but the high majority do. I have vowed to not use those specific words. The dictionary and Thesauraus have provided me with other alternatives.

I can be a perfectionist sometimes, but I persoanlly think that breeders should only breed if they are willing to do everything possible to make sure their foundation is healthy and sound, and within the standard.

**These are just my opinions, not speaking of anyone in particular.**

Oh Ok ..
I love the fact your looking for alternative wording
BUT
Irene, your not going to make us learn new words are you...
I'm getting to old to learn new words NOW..

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

Oh Ok ..
I love the fact your looking for alternative wording
BUT
Irene, your not going to make us learn new words are you...
I'm getting to old to learn new words NOW..

Ok Class...do I have your attention..????

[red98vett]

You have MINE ...

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

I'm not sure you read her post right ..this is what she said about breeder NOT show breeder
non show breeders are not ALL bad...they genuinely care about the animals, but lets face it, they are not working as hard as they do to produce these puppies and risking the lives of their females just to break even or altruistically to allow everyone the joy of owning a yorkie. Sure, there are some bad breeders out there but they are not the norm thank goodness. Sure there are some who will attempt to capitalize on the breed's popularity and make a quick buck but those people will very quickly learn that is is not an easy thing to do and they won't last long.

Show Breeders she said
There is also nothing bad about breeding to make money...I mean why would you risk the lives of your females if not to hope to make a profit.....to "better the breed"? I think not...even "show breeders" expect to make some money ...otherwise why do it...ego? Maybe for some, but not the majority,


And if I had a show dog man what and EGO I have..
My head would be so big ..I wouldn't be able to get through the door...

Yorkiegirl2--as I stated, such was the way that I read her post. Am I 100% sure that I am getting it the way she meant it? No, I'm not, which is why I asked for SoCal to take the opportunity to clear it up if I'd misunderstood. I read back over it again, and it still comes across the same to me... but I am still awaiting her reply here?
But yes, I agree with you, if I had a show dog, I would have a big ego too.

[Latuya]

When I was searching for my yorkie, I found quite a few adds that had these words in describing their pups. I did answer a few of them and from what I seen, the cobby body meant short legged compact body. Apple head meant rounder shaped head. Baby doll face meant, forhead rounder with shorter snout and round eyes. I also noticed that breeders who used these phrases where asking outrages prices for their puppies. They are the cutest looking puppies. (at least I think so) I don't really think it is necessary to stay clear of these types of adds if you are willing to pay big $$$$. If people are willing to spend this kind of money on something they really want then breeder and proud new owner are happy. To me they are just using the words people can relate to.

I usually stay clear from this topic. I know it's old and been said and drug to the ground and stomped on repeatedly. But teacup, baby face or any other words some may use does not bother me in the least bit. As long as I got what I wanted and he/she is healthy and comes with an health guarantee, docs. from vet, shot record, and lastly the thumb up from my vet. Then I'm happy!!! I know there is no such thing but I just don't get all weirded out just because someone calls Gus a teacup. He is what he is and if someone wants to use the word teacup to state the obvious,,,, tiny and all so darn cute, then so be it.

[PlatinumYorkies]

I think as a soon to be buyer of a Yorkie, and I contacted breeder via the internet and by phone...I think that I would want them to describe the dog to me as Healthy, parent have been tested for all known diseases, they are or will be UTD on their shot..You can come in to look at them, but they are inlined with the breed standard... I don't want to here, he has a tiny button nose on his baby doll face, with a perfact apple shaped head, and a cobb salad body...I am buying a dog people, not a forrest animal, and I am not buying a salad topped with fruit...

I guess what I am saying is that I want a breeder to be very honest with me, and not try to sell me a rat with long hair...trust I have came across a few who would try! Also, tried to sell me the Taj Mahal, and the Brooklyn bridge..

[YorkieRini]

I guess what bothers me about using the terms or marketing ploys is the 'breeders' really don't know much about the breed or if they do the don't discuss or educate the interested parties (now this is from my experience when I looked for Yorkies myself). That's where the sterotype comes into play for me anyway. They want to sell something and sell it fast. Again, they and all are in reference to the breeders I personally spoken to that HAVE used those terms in advertising one way or another. Now, this was over 5 years ago, but I highly doubt things changed much for the better.

I think it's great that you posted your views Monica. They are very unbiased.

[txshopper73]

By definition, this is what AKC says about the standard with the head...followed by MY OPINIONS...

Head
Small and rather flat on top, the skull not too prominent or round, the muzzle not too long, with the bite neither undershot nor overshot and teeth sound. Either scissors bite or level bite is acceptable. The nose is black. Eyes are medium in size and not too prominent; dark in color and sparkling with a sharp, intelligent expression. Eye rims are dark. Ears are small, V-shaped, carried erect and set not too far apart.

So, you don't have a website and are selling pups. They call and ask you if the pups have a baby doll face...what do you tell them? "WELL, THE MUZZLE IS NOT TOO LONG". They ask you, well, what does that mean? "WELL, JUST AS AKC STANDARD STATES...THE MUZZLE IS NOT TOO LONG". Sorry, but I think the seller is going to look like someone that doesn't know what they are doing or talking about. The public uses these terms.

Here's what it says on the body...

Body
Well proportioned and very compact. The back is rather short, the back line level, with height at shoulder the same as at the rump.

Caller wants to know if they are cobby bodied. Breeder states that the dog has a compact body. Caller states..."OH, IS THAT A COBBY BODY?" Seller states, no, a compact body. Should buyer know that they are talking about the same thing? Sure, but a lot of these buyers may not know the difference.

Speaking with other breeders, I've heard baby doll face or a short button nose....and will leave it at that.

[yorkiegal719]

I wouldn't want to hear anything other then "They look like a true Yorkshire Terrier should" from a breeder. Then that would tell me that they will be what I am looking for. If someone doesn't know what the true standard looks like or doesn't want that, then they should buy something else

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by yorkiegal719

I wouldn't want to hear anything other then "They look like a true Yorkshire Terrier should" from a breeder. Then that would tell me that they will be what I am looking for. If someone doesn't know what the true standard looks like or doesn't want that, then they should buy something else

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by yorkiegal719

I wouldn't want to hear anything other then "They look like a true Yorkshire Terrier should" from a breeder. Then that would tell me that they will be what I am looking for. If someone doesn't know what the true standard looks like or doesn't want that, then they should buy something else

HAHA! so true! But how many really do research before buying a yorkie...or how many don't do a research before buying one? It happens all the time. Look at all the first time yorkie owners that come here with their questions. Everyone has to start somewhere.