When is to early to deworm?

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by k Owensk9

this thread reminds me why I stopped posting a while back---if you try to enter the discussion you are attacked by sharks ! I thought a discussion was people talking about any given issue---not attacking people--rudness-and calling persons cheap-without money---PEOPLE it's discussing issues. I agree totally with Tammy I bet she has nice clean home and dogs ! Give her a break--lets play NICE !!!

thank you

you know what? im a person same as everyone else..i gave my two cents which differed from someone else..where there are 50 people that believe in not unnecessarily worming there are 50 that do..whether they post it or not..alot dont because of fear on attack..same as on this thread

i believe that jeank or whatever..was rude from the start and its was uncalled for..and to continue to gang up with others and try to belittle people is wrong..i have never gone off on a thread like this..but i never felt the need. i never felt personally assaulted until this thread..

im a mom, a wife, a yorkie lover, a daughter, a sister, a friend, a yorkie BREEDER...

i do not have a financial hardship..im a sahm of 2 boys and 4 dogs with a very hardworking successful husband..who just bought me 5 acreas in the country for christmas..and told me this week we are looking at modular homes..i also just bought my new akc female, and my kids summer passes to a water park..sure there are weeks where we might not have play money..but we have all we want and need...i also have the vet card so if anything was to arise with my dogs..im all set

my home is clean..im the one that cleans it every day..i shampoo furniture on a regular..and lysol everything ..the only room thats not cleaned is the boys room..lord help me there are days you cant walk in it..my dogs have free roam until bed time..they go in the kennel in my breakfast nook that has a crate in it..

my vet is on speed dial when i have a litter..i have several mentors that i can go to.
i have waiting list for puppies typically
i have a good report with everyone i have sold too..of course there are some people that dont keep in touch but for the majority they have and never a complaint nor a health issue

[Brooklynn]

I'll say again, why deworm when they don't have worms? It's not necessary. I guess I'm a bad person or in a clique because I believe the same thing? I don't think I've attacked anyone on this board nor addressed nor called anyone names. It's the breeders responsiblity to ensure healthy puppies and do the required testing on dam and sire and then provide proper vet care for all dogs involved. What's so hard about that? In breeding there are no shortcuts. JMHO

Donna

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

thank you

you know what? im a person same as everyone else..i gave my two cents which differed from someone else..where there are 50 people that believe in not unnecessarily worming there are 50 that do..whether they post it or not..alot dont because of fear on attack..same as on this thread

i believe that jeank or whatever..was rude from the start and its was uncalled for..and to continue to gang up with others and try to belittle people is wrong..i have never gone off on a thread like this..but i never felt the need. i never felt personally assaulted until this thread..

im a mom, a wife, a yorkie lover, a daughter, a sister, a friend, a yorkie BREEDER...

i do not have a financial hardship..im a sahm of 2 boys and 4 dogs with a very hardworking successful husband..who just bought me 5 acreas in the country for christmas..and told me this week we are looking at modular homes..i also just bought my new akc female, and my kids summer passes to a water park..sure there are weeks where we might not have play money..but we have all we want and need...i also have the vet card so if anything was to arise with my dogs..im all set

my home is clean..im the one that cleans it every day..i shampoo furniture on a regular..and lysol everything ..the only room thats not cleaned is the boys room..lord help me there are days you cant walk in it..my dogs have free roam until bed time..they go in the kennel in my breakfast nook that has a crate in it..

my vet is on speed dial when i have a litter..i have several mentors that i can go to.
i have waiting list for puppies typically
i have a good report with everyone i have sold too..of course there are some people that dont keep in touch but for the majority they have and never a complaint nor a health issue

No one has questioned who you are or what you do for a living, or where you live.

I told you IF you have an ongoing worm problem so that you need to deworm every litter of puppies then your adult dogs have worms and if they are in your home then you have worms in your house.

IF your adult dogs do not have worms and there is no ongoing problem then you insisting on deworming every litter 5 times before they go to their new homes is totally unnecessary and not good for the dogs.

Cancer does not usually set in till the later years, so of course your people are happy now, but how are they going to feel when they are dealing with a dog with cancer in a few years.

All I asked is that you just consider the idea that there might be a better way, and if that makes me rude then I guess I'm rude. But I don't believe in sugar coating things when talking to adults.

You were the one that repeatecly insisted that ALL DOGS HAVE WORMS. So therefor yours must have worms or you would know that to be untrue. And IF they have worms and are in your house then you are also risking your kids getting worms.

Open your mind to some new and better ways of raising puppies. It is not a matter of you believe this and I believe that. it is a matter of research and educating yourself. What if your vet still practiced things the way they did 30 to 40 years ago, and never bothered to learn the new ways of doing things. based on years of research.

[YorkieRose]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

nope $15 isnt that much..but then again i do like saving money 15x7 could be a nice chunk to hold on too..

miss attitude

yes the vets want money and they will get it any way they can...they tell u lets do a fecal either way..but thats their job..to sell you stuff

i d rather take care of it my self and have no need to run poop to the vet..

Tammy...you only need ONE stool sample...gather several small bits from the pups..called a composite stool...the vet tests only one..and believe me, if one pup has worms, they all have worms...so you treat all.

If I had one adult positive for worms, I would worm all wether they had them or not because in a group of dogs it is so very rare for only one dog to have round or hooks. etc...

Does your vet require a stool check before issuing a well puppy check certificate before sale?

[WinstonMom]

I am a medical technologist who works in a hospital microbiology lab. We see worms on a daily basis. Children get worms from playing in the soil and putting their hands in their mouths. Most of these children come from good homes, not filth and squalor. Worm eggs can live for a long time in the soil, just because your dogs do not have worms, does not mean that you do not have worm eggs in your yard. Do you know for sure who was pooping on your neighbor's property before the last time it rained and washed worm eggs on to your property? Are you sure that you do not bring worm eggs into your home when you visit the grocery store and bring in fresh fruit or vegetables, do you know what has been used to fertilize all the fruit or veggies that you buy? Are you sure you washed them all off before you consumed the produce? There are places in this world where intestinal parasites are so prevalent that you can ingest them simply breathing the air, some of these places may be a little closer to home than you think.
Now, I do not deworm my pups as a matter of routine, I have them tested before treatment. I also do not have my head in the clouds by thinking that because my dogs don't have worms now that that means they will never have them.
I just want to add that insinuating that someone who has had wormy puppies has a dirty home is just downright mean.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by peanut

OMG, I haven't been on much lately, wonder why???? But WOW are the claws out tonight, its pretty sad when Adults have to start tearing each other apart. So you don't agree with each other, thats fine, but to start calling names and keep on and on and on, SAD

No wonder why so many don't post in this section

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by WinstonMom

I am a medical technologist who works in a hospital microbiology lab. We see worms on a daily basis. Children get worms from playing in the soil and putting their hands in their mouths. Most of these children come from good homes, not filth and squalor. Worm eggs can live for a long time in the soil, just because your dogs do not have worms, does not mean that you do not have worm eggs in your yard. Do you know for sure who was pooping on your neighbor's property before the last time it rained and washed worm eggs on to your property? Are you sure that you do not bring worm eggs into your home when you visit the grocery store and bring in fresh fruit or vegetables, do you know what has been used to fertilize all the fruit or veggies that you buy? Are you sure you washed them all off before you consumed the produce? There are places in this world where intestinal parasites are so prevalent that you can ingest them simply breathing the air, some of these places may be a little closer to home than you think.
Now, I do not deworm my pups as a matter of routine, I have them tested before treatment. I also do not have my head in the clouds by thinking that because my dogs don't have worms now that that means they will never have them.
I just want to add that insinuating that someone who has had wormy puppies has a dirty home is just downright mean.

You took what was said and turned it around. It was not said that her dogs got worms from a dirty house. It was said that IF (The key word here), she had an ongoing worm problem, that warranted her worming every litter iof puppies that her adult dogs had worms. And IF her adult dogs had worms that they were tramsmitting to her puppies, that they woluld also leave them anywhere in the house.

SHE is the one that was insisting that all dogs have worms. If her dogs don't have worms then she would KNOW that statement to be untrue. Which leads one to believe that she does have an ongoing worm problem.

Her statments have changed from the beginning of the thread. So I asm hoping that she fast least has begun to realize that not all dogs have worms, and that if your adult dogs are worm free, then chances are that your puppies will be also.

And at the very least, before you routinely feed them poison 5 times before they go to their new homes, that you hve a stool sample checked to make sure the poison is necessary.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by peanut

OMG, I haven't been on much lately, wonder why???? But WOW are the claws out tonight, its pretty sad when Adults have to start tearing each other apart. So you don't agree with each other, thats fine, but to start calling names and keep on and on and on, SAD

Where is the name calling.

No claws are out, this is not a cat fight. This is a few people (some very experienced) trying to educate a few others (realtively inexperienced) on deworming puppies.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by WinstonMom

I am a medical technologist who works in a hospital microbiology lab. We see worms on a daily basis. Children get worms from playing in the soil and putting their hands in their mouths. Most of these children come from good homes, not filth and squalor. Worm eggs can live for a long time in the soil, just because your dogs do not have worms, does not mean that you do not have worm eggs in your yard. Do you know for sure who was pooping on your neighbor's property before the last time it rained and washed worm eggs on to your property? Are you sure that you do not bring worm eggs into your home when you visit the grocery store and bring in fresh fruit or vegetables, do you know what has been used to fertilize all the fruit or veggies that you buy? Are you sure you washed them all off before you consumed the produce? There are places in this world where intestinal parasites are so prevalent that you can ingest them simply breathing the air, some of these places may be a little closer to home than you think.
Now, I do not deworm my pups as a matter of routine, I have them tested before treatment. I also do not have my head in the clouds by thinking that because my dogs don't have worms now that that means they will never have them.
I just want to add that insinuating that someone who has had wormy puppies has a dirty home is just downright mean.

Audrey,

I love reading your posts but this wasn't about someone's house being dirty nor do I remember anyone say Tammy's house was...as for me I have no clue and would never assume because I can't because I've never been to her house nor have I met her...no one here has said she had a dirty house.
As for worms, all that is being discussed is yes, dogs do get worms and yes we all know where they come from but AGAIN, why "DEWORM" when all it takes is a simple stool sample and WHY deworm a dog when they DO NOT have worms? It's not necssary

Donna

[WinstonMom]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Audrey,

I love reading your posts but this wasn't about someone's house being dirty nor do I remember anyone say Tammy's house was...as for me I have no clue and would never assume because I can't because I've never been to her house nor have I met her...no one here has said she had a dirty house.
As for worms, all that is being discussed is yes, dogs do get worms and yes we all know where they come from but AGAIN, why "DEWORM" when all it takes is a simple stool sample and WHY deworm a dog when they DO NOT have worms? It's not necssary

Donna

Donna,

I am not at all arguing that all pups should be dewormed, I do not deworm my pups unless they are wormy. I have not had a pup with worms but that doesn't mean that I won't at some point. But a comment was made that someone had an "ICK" house and that they may "at this point have to treat their entire house". If someone said that to me, I would be extremely offended.
I was simply trying to make a point that it is, in fact, extremely easy to become infected with worms as well as countless other parasitic organisms and that it can happen to the cleanest of the clean.

[YorkieRose]

Question...if a puppy had coccidia, gardia etc (no symptoms)..would using a regular wormer rid this problems?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Question...if a puppy had coccidia, gardia etc (no symptoms)..would using a regular wormer rid this problems?

Nope.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Question...if a puppy had coccidia, gardia etc (no symptoms)..would using a regular wormer rid this problems?

No, it would not. It takes albon for coccidia, not sure about giardia but I know it takes something different to get rid of it.

[YorkieRose]

Sooooo, if you do not do a stool check, how do you know you are not selling puppies with these parasites? Not all puppies show any symptoms of these nasty things until coming under stress of a new home etc...

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by bjh

No, it would not. It takes albon for coccidia, not sure about giardia but I know it takes something different to get rid of it.

I'm sure Pat knows what is needed for each problem. She's been breeding a lot longer than most of us here. But, I do understand her question; if there is a wormer that would handle all Parasites.....While Albon is primarily used for Coccidiosis. It cang be used for other treatments (although, I've never known where it has been). Tonsillitis, pharyngitis, bronchitis, pnemonia, cystitis, nephritis, metritis, pyometra, mustular dermatitis, anal gland infections, abscesses, woulnd infections, bacterial enteritis, canine almonellosis. Albon should not be prescribed with any other med.

Giardai - Flagyll or Pancur