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isailiss 06-20-2010 08:25 AM

When is to early to deworm?
 
Hello, new breeder here

I have four babies they are 2 weeks now, my husband concern is he thinks they are to fat and he said they have worms.
Their mommy dont have any worms
my question is when you they get their first deworm medicine? I saw on google that at 2 weeks , that seem to early for me.
I`m taking them to the vet at 8 weeks to get vaccines.
but have no clue when to give them worm medicine :confused:

Thank you all !

kalina82 06-20-2010 08:27 AM

They could just have fat bellies because they are well fed. Personally I wouldn't be given my 2 week old puppies anything they don't need including worming medication. If you want to check for worms take a stool sample to the vet.

YorkieRose 06-20-2010 03:02 PM

The vet can take a small stool sample if you are worried..I take a stool sample at 6 to 8 wks and if it is negative I do not worm...and again at 12 wks...

k Owensk9 06-20-2010 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by isailiss (Post 3169517)
Hello, new breeder here

I have four babies they are 2 weeks now, my husband concern is he thinks they are to fat and he said they have worms.
Their mommy dont have any worms
my question is when you they get their first deworm medicine? I saw on google that at 2 weeks , that seem to early for me.
I`m taking them to the vet at 8 weeks to get vaccines.
but have no clue when to give them worm medicine :confused:

Thank you all !

I had wormed pups as early as 2 or 3 days "IF" the wormer is a safe brand---I use Pyrantel just a few drops from a dropper--Nemex is also very safe. And Panacur (labeled for goats--or horses) And Safegurad is labeled for cows but is the same producet as Panacur--this is also VERY safe but MUST be given 3 days in a row to be affective. You can buy all these wormers from Revival Animal health (revivalanimal.com) Adults get about 1 cc per 5 pounds of body weight. Hope this helps :)

isailiss 06-21-2010 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k Owensk9 (Post 3169869)
I had wormed pups as early as 2 or 3 days "IF" the wormer is a safe brand---I use Pyrantel just a few drops from a dropper--Nemex is also very safe. And Panacur (labeled for goats--or horses) And Safegurad is labeled for cows but is the same producet as Panacur--this is also VERY safe but MUST be given 3 days in a row to be affective. You can buy all these wormers from Revival Animal health (revivalanimal.com) Adults get about 1 cc per 5 pounds of body weight. Hope this helps :)

Do I need a prescription to get this meds?
thank you very much!

Brooklynn 06-21-2010 06:28 AM

I never deworm puppies unless they have worms. I always take in a stool sample and if they do not have worms why give them something they don't have? I do not give anything that isn't necessary.

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

k Owensk9 06-21-2010 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by isailiss (Post 3170481)
Do I need a prescription to get this meds?
thank you very much!


NO you don't just call or e mail and order---I like NEMEX the least ! I'd get the liquid in the other wormers . Remember just drops for a pup. and worm mom at the same time. Kathy

YorkieRose 06-21-2010 09:47 AM

I have heard vets say.."All puppies have worms"..this is just not true. If I had all my vet records for 36 yrs I could prove I have never any pups come up positive for regular worms. They have had tapes, but not in about 15 yrs.
I never worm a dog/pup without a stool check..why run a toxin through the system if there is nothing to kill..

When I give advise I try my best not to tell anyone to do anything that can cause harm..even if it is remote...worming a pup at 2 to 3 days is dangerous IMO. I had a stud client allow the vet to worm her litter at 10 says...pups were all dead by evening. Vet said he was surprised, never happened with other breeds.

k Owensk9..this is JMO, but I think it best we tell this breeder to get a stoool check and go from there...

k Owensk9 06-21-2010 11:26 AM

touchy !!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 3170751)
I have heard vets say.."All puppies have worms"..this is just not true. If I had all my vet records for 36 yrs I could prove I have never any pups come up positive for regular worms. They have had tapes, but not in about 15 yrs.
I never worm a dog/pup without a stool check..why run a toxin through the system if there is nothing to kill..

When I give advise I try my best not to tell anyone to do anything that can cause harm..even if it is remote...worming a pup at 2 to 3 days is dangerous IMO. I had a stud client allow the vet to worm her litter at 10 says...pups were all dead by evening. Vet said he was surprised, never happened with other breeds.

k Owensk9..this is JMO, but I think it best we tell this breeder to get a stoool check and go from there...

If you have lots of money --sure go to a Vet---I don't so I worm them--better safe than sorry ! That's what I do so do what ever ya want !! The person asked about worming--I told them what I do---do as ya please !! I DO ! I just wonder why everyone just on me about every word !!?? I've raised dogs for 28 years--I know what I'm doing. I dodn't tell you to worm your dogs--I just answered a simple question--I worm all my dogs regularly--I live in the south dogs get worms !

BamaFan121s 06-21-2010 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by k Owensk9 (Post 3170864)
If you have lots of money --sure go to a Vet---I don't so I worm them--better safe than sorry !

"Not having the money" is no excuse for not getting proper care for pups if needed. :thumbdown If that is what you have to do "just to be safe" then stop breeding!

I cannot fathom deworming a pup at only a few days old. :eek: At that point, mom is still having to stimulate pups and is cleaning up after them by eating it. Why on Earth would you want to to give a pup a dewormer at that point? That's insane!

It really bothers me to see that kind of advice given. The number of years one has been breeding means nothing sometimes. There have some puppy millers I'm sure who have beeen breeding longer than that...doesn't mean we should look up to them.

YorkieRose 06-21-2010 05:52 PM

If a breeder can not afford a simple stool check OUIT! There is no visit involved..I have never paid more then $20 for a check...if a breeder charges $1000 plus for a puppy it is a drop in the bucket to be safe.

I live as south as you can get...

I do many things myself..tails, declaws and vaccine when I was breeding regular..but to give advise that is dangerous, is foolish and not what this forum is all about.
A breeder can do as they please with their own pups..but handing out advise to others you better be 100% sure you know what you are doing... even if it is only one chance in a million something can go wrong, don't!!!I have bred/shown for 36 yrs and would never advise worming a Yorkie puppy the first week...or even the 8th week unless they have worms...

JeanieK 06-21-2010 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k Owensk9 (Post 3169869)
I had wormed pups as early as 2 or 3 days "IF" the wormer is a safe brand---I use Pyrantel just a few drops from a dropper--Nemex is also very safe. And Panacur (labeled for goats--or horses) And Safegurad is labeled for cows but is the same producet as Panacur--this is also VERY safe but MUST be given 3 days in a row to be affective. You can buy all these wormers from Revival Animal health (revivalanimal.com) Adults get about 1 cc per 5 pounds of body weight. Hope this helps :)

I don't know that there is any wormer safe for puppies under 2 weeks. This is poison that you are feeding them.

At that young age I would not worm them unless there was proof that they actuall have worms.

As for the fat bellies, Do they get fat right after the nurse, then it goes away before the next feeding? That is what they are supposed to do.

Contrary to popular belief, NOT ALL PUPPIES HAVE WORMS, they do not get it from their mother if the mother does not have worms.

JeanieK 06-21-2010 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 3171424)
If a breeder can not afford a simple stool check OUIT! There is no visit involved..I have never paid more then $20 for a check...if a breeder charges $1000 plus for a puppy it is a drop in the bucket to be safe.

I live as south as you can get...

I do many things myself..tails, declaws and vaccine when I was breeding regular..but to give advise that is dangerous, is foolish and not what this forum is all about.
A breeder can do as they please with their own pups..but handing out advise to others you better be 100% sure you know what you are doing... even if it is only one chance in a million something can go wrong, don't!!!I have bred/shown for 36 yrs and would never advise worming a Yorkie puppy the first week...or even the 8th week unless they have worms...

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

I do not routinely worm either, but many people still believe that all puppies have worms and worm then 2 to 3 times before the are rehomed. And then wonder why dogs have so many issues .

JeanieK 06-21-2010 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k Owensk9 (Post 3170864)
If you have lots of money --sure go to a Vet---I don't so I worm them--better safe than sorry ! That's what I do so do what ever ya want !! The person asked about worming--I told them what I do---do as ya please !! I DO ! I just wonder why everyone just on me about every word !!?? I've raised dogs for 28 years--I know what I'm doing. I dodn't tell you to worm your dogs--I just answered a simple question--I worm all my dogs regularly--I live in the south dogs get worms !

If your adult dogs do not have worms, and your dogs are isolated from other dogs, they should not have worms.

Better safe than sorry? I consider it safer to NOT feed my puppies poison unless I know they need it.

k Owensk9 06-21-2010 06:33 PM

hornets nest !!!
 
:D Well looks like every one is wading in on me ! That's fine ! One person asked a very good question---I answered from my knowledge of breeding for may years and having a very good relationship with my Vet. He taught me many things--and one thing he taught me was how to save money where possible. Wormers these days are very safe and I disagree with most of you--I think dogs get worms often--if allowed to run outside and play in the dirt/yard. Of course most of your dogs may never see the dirt or grass so may be they don't get worms. I do not regularly worm 2 or 3 day old pups--but I have wormed them and NEVER lost a pup from wormers---Years ago my brother brought me a female beagle she was PG and due soon--her pups were born so wormy I thought I'd never get them cleaned up--I wormed them several time--pups - mom and all. Not one pup was lost and they passed worms by the pile ! (needles to say my brother and I don't see eye to eye.) So I totally disagree--puppies do get worms ! And puppies can die from worms---so my thoughts are "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" Once a puppy is infested with worms --hook worms are the worst---they can die from harsh wormers. I know I wont change your minds and I don't care ! And you wont change mine ! It's also been years since I had a puppy or adult dog with a positive worm slide---but I feel it's because I stay on top of keeping the kids wormed . END OF MY STORY .


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