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Old 06-21-2010, 06:36 PM   #16
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There are breeding conditions that promote worms and is in a high volume kennel. Most small breeders who keep their dogs in the house, or a dog area in the house, not on concrete or dirt runs will not have parasite problems. My Yorkies stayed on solid sheet tile flooring like in hospitals..easy to clean, no grooves/grout/dirt for parasite breeding.

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My Yorkies went outdoors on grass also..but the yard was treated twice yearly.

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Well looks like every one is wading in on me ! That's fine ! One person asked a very good question---I answered from my knowledge of breeding for may years and having a very good relationship with my Vet. He taught me many things--and one thing he taught me was how to save money where possible. Wormers these days are very safe and I disagree with most of you--I think dogs get worms often--if allowed to run outside and play in the dirt/yard. Of course most of your dogs may never see the dirt or grass so may be they don't get worms. I do not regularly worm 2 or 3 day old pups--but I have wormed them and NEVER lost a pup from wormers---Years ago my brother brought me a female beagle she was PG and due soon--her pups were born so wormy I thought I'd never get them cleaned up--I wormed them several time--pups - mom and all. Not one pup was lost and they passed worms by the pile ! (needles to say my brother and I don't see eye to eye.) So I totally disagree--puppies do get worms ! And puppies can die from worms---so my thoughts are "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" Once a puppy is infested with worms --hook worms are the worst---they can die from harsh wormers. I know I wont change your minds and I don't care ! And you wont change mine ! It's also been years since I had a puppy or adult dog with a positive worm slide---but I feel it's because I stay on top of keeping the kids wormed . END OF MY STORY .
But she doesn't even know if these puppies have worms. She said the mother does not have worms so how would the puppies get them.
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I had wormed pups as early as 2 or 3 days "IF" the wormer is a safe brand---I use Pyrantel just a few drops from a dropper--Nemex is also very safe. And Panacur (labeled for goats--or horses) And Safegurad is labeled for cows but is the same producet as Panacur--this is also VERY safe but MUST be given 3 days in a row to be affective. You can buy all these wormers from Revival Animal health (revivalanimal.com) Adults get about 1 cc per 5 pounds of body weight. Hope this helps
I said I have wormed pups 2 to 3 days old---NOT YOU SHOULD WORM !! Lets get this right--OK ! I did not tell anyone they had to worm at 3 days old !
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My last post on this thread..and I am sure you are thrilled...
If a long time breeder such as you or I say we do this and that..novices take notice...and think if someone with decades of experince worms pups of any age on a routine schedule, not determinely if the puppy needs worming, then it must be safe...so we have to be extra careful giving advise.

I do things I would never tell anyone here to do...IE oxyie shots, when, how much etc..that is for their vet to determine...I would talk privately with an experinced breeder and discuss what I do..and that experinced breeder would know they are taking a risk, but that is what we do..it is a risk to even breed a bitch...
I am not a foo-foo breeder..( that is the name we are called by commerical breeders)..I have no blank check to be foolish about the money I spend on my Yorkies...but I know going in that there are expenses that should not be cut out of a breeding program..my vet taught me many useful things to help with my breeding expenses..and a breeder needs to learn all they can, but not to the point of endangering the animal...
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My last post on this thread..and I am sure you are thrilled...
If a long time breeder such as you or I say we do this and that..novices take notice...and think if someone with decades of experince worms pups of any age on a routine schedule, not determinely if the puppy needs worming, then it must be safe...so we have to be extra careful giving advise.

I do things I would never tell anyone here to do...IE oxyie shots, when, how much etc..that is for their vet to determine...I would talk privately with an experinced breeder and discuss what I do..and that experinced breeder would know they are taking a risk, but that is what we do..it is a risk to even breed a bitch...
I am not a foo-foo breeder..( that is the name we are called by commerical breeders)..I have no blank check to be foolish about the money I spend on my Yorkies...but I know going in that there are expenses that should not be cut out of a breeding program..my vet taught me many useful things to help with my breeding expenses..and a breeder needs to learn all they can, but not to the point of endangering the animal...
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I agree. I am not a long time breeder, but I would never tell anyone to give medication in manner that is listed as unsafe on the package.

Even if I did it myself, I would not want to be responsible if something happened to someone elses pups. Just because I did it and nothing went wrong, does not mean that it is safe.

I hope the OP takes in a stool sample before giving the meds. Putting unnecessary chemicals into those tiny bodies is irresponsible.
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[QUOTE=JeanieK;3171896]I agree. I am not a long time breeder, but I would never tell anyone to give medication in manner that is listed as unsafe on the package.

Even if I did it myself, I would not want to be responsible if something happened to someone elses pups. Just because I did it and nothing went wrong, does not mean that it is safe.

I hope the OP takes in a stool sample before giving the meds. Putting unnecessary chemicals into those tiny bodies is irresponsible.[/QUOT

As I said before I said " I have done this" NOT YOU SHOULD DO THIS !! And this is my last word on it !
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i usually DO deworm at 2 weeks..but after reading things here about waiting on wormer and vaccations..i waited on my last litter...and didnt deworm until 5 weeks old...do you know that every puppy had piles and piles of worms with in an hour? i will never wait again...i have never had worms come out of puppies...

but they are dogs, their parents are dogs..and being dogs they do, do ewy things and touch and eat ewy things and its common and typical for dogs to get worms and pass them on..

so yes i think its a good idea to worm at 2 weeks old
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I've never had puppies have worms and i've never had to deworm....so therefore I don't deworm unless necessary but I just can't remember the last time one of my dogs had worms...oh and btw....they do go outside and play in the grass, the dirt, the leaves
I'm not quoting anyone but I believe don't deworm unless it's absolutely necessary JMHO

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i usually DO deworm at 2 weeks..but after reading things here about waiting on wormer and vaccations..i waited on my last litter...and didnt deworm until 5 weeks old...do you know that every puppy had piles and piles of worms with in an hour? i will never wait again...i have never had worms come out of puppies...

but they are dogs, their parents are dogs..and being dogs they do, do ewy things and touch and eat ewy things and its common and typical for dogs to get worms and pass them on..

so yes i think its a good idea to worm at 2 weeks old
yea !! some one agrees !I worm when I think it's needed---as my Vet recommended !
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I DO NOT deworm unless worms are present. I take a stool sample to the vet for an exam, if worms are present, then I deworm.....I haven't ever had worms in any litters, nor would I EVER deworm a puppy at the age of 2 weeks! No need to inject chemicals & poisons into their system if not needed! BYW, mine play in the grass, leaves and landscaping, I don't have any dirt but if I did they would play in that too!
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i usually DO deworm at 2 weeks..but after reading things here about waiting on wormer and vaccations..i waited on my last litter...and didnt deworm until 5 weeks old...do you know that every puppy had piles and piles of worms with in an hour? i will never wait again...i have never had worms come out of puppies...

but they are dogs, their parents are dogs..and being dogs they do, do ewy things and touch and eat ewy things and its common and typical for dogs to get worms and pass them on..

so yes i think its a good idea to worm at 2 weeks old

wanted to add an after thought

that i never saw worms in that last litter until after i dewormed them..so they can have them and you not know it....so i would rather dewormed then let things stew and make them sick..

i typically deworm at 2 4 6 8 and 10 weeks..and never have worms when i follow those guidelines
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But she doesn't even know if these puppies have worms. She said the mother does not have worms so how would the puppies get them.

unless she had a fecal done to confirm that she doesnt ..in all actuallity she may..how else would the babies get them?

just because you cant seem them in the poo doesnt mean they arent there..

its totally normal for the mother to pass worms and most dewormers say to give to the puppies and the MOTHER
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that i never saw worms in that last litter until after i dewormed them..so they can have them and you not know it....so i would rather dewormed then let things stew and make them sick..

i typically deworm at 2 4 6 8 and 10 weeks..and never have worms when i follow those guidelines
In that case your adult dogs have worms and they should have been dewormed before your bred them. My puppies don't have worms. I had one buyer that said her puppy had worms, which I questioned since none of the rest of them had worms, so the next litter I wormed several times, and one of those buyers said their puppy had worms, which I also questioned since none of the others had worms.

The responsible thing to do would be to worm the adults, then have them tested before breeding, and keep them out of contact with other dogs and keep their run clean. Hard surfaces sanitized and poop picked up.

I do not buy from breeders who need to deworm their puppies.
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In that case your adult dogs have worms and they should have been dewormed before your bred them. My puppies don't have worms. I had one buyer that said her puppy had worms, which I questioned since none of the rest of them had worms, so the next litter I wormed several times, and one of those buyers said their puppy had worms, which I also questioned since none of the others had worms.

The responsible thing to do would be to worm the adults, then have them tested before breeding, and keep them out of contact with other dogs and keep their run clean. Hard surfaces sanitized and poop picked up.

I do not buy from breeders who need to deworm their puppies.
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DOGS EAT CRAP...they get worms..

DOGS LICK EACH OTHERS HINEY...they get worms

dogs eat dirt, grass, lick their paws after walkin on anything and everything..they get worms!

i worm mine on a regular..THANK YOU VERY MUCH
and my home is CLEAN

im sure its likely that the pup had worms..dont call her a liar because you cant stand a slight flaw..its happens,. how does that make you look as a breeder to call your client a liar over worms???..it doesnt make people wrong or uneducated or un-clean...it doesnt make the dog bad or the breeder bad..its a cycle that happens..and all animals have living organism in their system..no matter how PRISTINE your dogs are!

people.breeders.pet owners are not beneath you because they dealt with a worm issue! good grief...
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DOGS EAT CRAP...they get worms..

DOGS LICK EACH OTHERS HINEY...they get worms

dogs eat dirt, grass, lick their paws after walkin on anything and everything..they get worms!

i worm mine on a regular..THANK YOU VERY MUCH
and my home is CLEAN

im sure its likely that the pup had worms..dont call her a liar because you cant stand a slight flaw..its happens,. how does that make you look as a breeder to call your client a liar over worms???..it doesnt make people wrong or uneducated or un-clean...it doesnt make the dog bad or the breeder bad..its a cycle that happens..and all animals have living organism in their system..no matter how PRISTINE your dogs are!

people.breeders.pet owners are not beneath you because they dealt with a worm issue! good grief...
They do not get worms from licking each others behinds if the other dog does not have worms. Worms come from worms.

If your dogs have worms and your dogs are in your house, then you have worms in your house. ICK

Get rid of the worms in your adult dogs and your 2 week old puppies will not ohave worms. Those puppies are not eating poop and licking behinds, so they must be getting the worms from their mother. BREAK THE CYCLE

My puppies do not have worms because my adult dogs do not have worms.

I did not call, those buyers liars, I questioned where they got the worms, because none of my other buyers found worms.
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