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Old 08-02-2009, 06:37 AM   #1
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Question Why ACA, CKC, UNC, APRI, and more?

Yesterday I went the mall w/my daughter to buy some clothe for her. She loves to see puppies so we went to the pet store located inside of the lynnhaven mall. I saw a cute yorkie and just for curiosity I asked the price. The price is $2000 and when I asked about registration they say UNC. What in the world is UNC? There are many clubs like APRI, UNC, PETA, CKC, ACA and more.
Why breeders register puppies in those clubs? Are they gurantee purebree in those puppies? Also, many breeders have AKC dogs, but they give CKC papers(dual registration) for their puppies. Why?
In my opinion it's a fraud to charge $2000 without AKC papers, and it's not fair for people who don't know anything about clubs and purebreed.
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See what I have come to learn is that many people dont know that the one piece of paper that really matters is AKC. To ppl all they care about is that they have papers. My male came with ACA papers, which I was later told is the #1 company after the AKC. I gotta say they arent easy to get into. CKC & all these other companies from what I have looked into they register any dog. Most pet shops will buy from ppl who had a litter & dont have papers so they arrange the paper work themselves.

I know the CKC ask for pics & 2 witness signatures as "proof" of the breed. The ACA, will NOT dual register unless they have papers from the CKC 1st, & then they request their own pics & go through some process to determine that the dog IS the breed specified.

The reason I know this is b/c my lil girls mom wasnt papered & thats the process her owner went through so we can make sure that Ya-Ya was papered with the ACA.

Its easy to open a registry company & take any dog, b/c at the end of the day people just dont know that the ONE registry that matters is the AKC,but not all dogs are allowed to be registered with them, so other companies will do it so ppl can sell puppies for the outrageous price that they do. Thats what I think!
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See what I have come to learn is that many people dont know that the one piece of paper that really matters is AKC. To ppl all they care about is that they have papers. My male came with ACA papers, which I was later told is the #1 company after the AKC. I gotta say they arent easy to get into. CKC & all these other companies from what I have looked into they register any dog. Most pet shops will buy from ppl who had a litter & dont have papers so they arrange the paper work themselves.

I know the CKC ask for pics & 2 witness signatures as "proof" of the breed. The ACA, will NOT dual register unless they have papers from the CKC 1st, & then they request their own pics & go through some process to determine that the dog IS the breed specified.

The reason I know this is b/c my lil girls mom wasnt papered & thats the process her owner went through so we can make sure that Ya-Ya was papered with the ACA.

Its easy to open a registry company & take any dog, b/c at the end of the day people just dont know that the ONE registry that matters is the AKC,but not all dogs are allowed to be registered with them, so other companies will do it so ppl can sell puppies for the outrageous price that they do. Thats what I think!
UKC (United Kennel Club0 and AKC are the top two registeries and the oldest, most elite.. They are about the same age. UKc first got started with hunting dogs now they have classes for everything, agility, conformation and etc. they have big premier show in kalamazoo, Mich every year is equal to some of the larger AKC shows. The top ten dogs of every breed are invited to compete. The other registeries mentioned aren't worth the paper they are written on and AKC will not register a dog from these. But beware, just because a dog is registered AKC doesn't mean you have a top of the line dog either. many people falsely belive this. Not so. Paperss are not worth anything anyway unless you are planning on breeding and showing. My show dogs are dual regisstered. UKC and AKC. I show in both venues but mainly in UKC. To regisster your dog in UKc, you must first register him/her AKC or it has to be born from two UKC parents. All my other dogs that I am not showing are strictly AKC.

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See what I have come to learn is that many people dont know that the one piece of paper that really matters is AKC. To ppl all they care about is that they have papers. My male came with ACA papers, which I was later told is the #1 company after the AKC. I gotta say they arent easy to get into. CKC & all these other companies from what I have looked into they register any dog. Most pet shops will buy from ppl who had a litter & dont have papers so they arrange the paper work themselves.

I know the CKC ask for pics & 2 witness signatures as "proof" of the breed. The ACA, will NOT dual register unless they have papers from the CKC 1st, & then they request their own pics & go through some process to determine that the dog IS the breed specified.

The reason I know this is b/c my lil girls mom wasnt papered & thats the process her owner went through so we can make sure that Ya-Ya was papered with the ACA.

Its easy to open a registry company & take any dog, b/c at the end of the day people just dont know that the ONE registry that matters is the AKC,but not all dogs are allowed to be registered with them, so other companies will do it so ppl can sell puppies for the outrageous price that they do. Thats what I think!
Thank you for the info. It's weird that anyone can open a club to make money.
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UKC (United Kennel Club0 and AKC are the top two registeries and the oldest, most elite.. They are about the same age. UKc first got started with hunting dogs now they have classes for everything, agility, conformation and etc. they have big premier show in kalamazoo, Mich every year is equal to some of the larger AKC shows. The top ten dogs of every breed are invited to compete. The other registeries mentioned aren't worth the paper they are written on and AKC will not register a dog from these. But beware, just because a dog is registered AKC doesn't mean you have a top of the line dog either. many people falsely belive this. Not so. Paperss are not worth anything anyway unless you are planning on breeding and showing. My show dogs are dual regisstered. UKC and AKC. I show in both venues but mainly in UKC. To regisster your dog in UKc, you must first register him/her AKC or it has to be born from two UKC parents. All my other dogs that I am not showing are strictly AKC.

I'm taking note about all the info to do my own research. Thank you!!
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The registry of choice and probably the best and oldest is AKC, although as stated above just because your dog is registered AKC doesn't mean you have the best of the best. It only guarantees you the right to go back and challenge who you got your puppy from if there is any problems with their parentage. The other registries were established for various dogs UKC for hunting dogs and others for other reasons....Puppy Mills and not so great breeders turned to those registries as they find it easier to register puppies....Less, control (AKC does impromptu inspections), and an intention to fool the unsuspecting/unknowledgable public.
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Here's a great link that explains the difference between registries: Registries

My main focus in buying a dog was to support good breeding practices; in my opinion, the only legitimate registration in the United States was the AKC, and while they still have poor breeders as members, they are the only registry that does routine, unannounced kennel inspections. Many states are strengthening the kennel condition laws, and the AKC can ban members who don't follow state laws or their own rules. A banned breeder has to go somewhere and many of the other registries popped up. The Canadian Kennel Club, (CKC) which is Canada's equivalent to the AKC, is also well respected, but an American company took the initials, and call themselves the CKC also (Continental Kennel Club), in an attempt to mislead people, in my opinion. The problem with these alternative registries is that if someone buys an AKC dog without breeding rights, they can turn around and register these dogs with the alternative registries. AKC is the only registry that offers breeders a choice to sell a puppy with limited registration. Good breeders understand that not every dog should be bred, and not every puppy buyer would make a good breeder. I think one of the very best tips in choosing a good breeder is to choose one who sells with limited registration, if a breeder doesn't care about her puppy's future, she probably doesn't care much about the dogs in general, and doesn't do required health testing. I support the AKC and what it is trying to accomplish, and I think finding an AKC breeder is the first step in finding a quality ethical breeder, but only the first step.
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Here's a great link that explains the difference between registries: Registries

My main focus in buying a dog was to support good breeding practices; in my opinion, the only legitimate registration in the United States was the AKC, and while they still have poor breeders as members, they are the only registry that does routine, unannounced kennel inspections. Many states are strengthening the kennel condition laws, and the AKC can ban members who don't follow state laws or their own rules. A banned breeder has to go somewhere and many of the other registries popped up. The Canadian Kennel Club, (CKC) which is Canada's equivalent to the AKC, is also well respected, but an American company took the initials, and call themselves the CKC also (Continental Kennel Club), in an attempt to mislead people, in my opinion. The problem with these alternative registries is that if someone buys an AKC dog without breeding rights, they can turn around and register these dogs with the alternative registries. AKC is the only registry that offers breeders a choice to sell a puppy with limited registration. Good breeders understand that not every dog should be bred, and not every puppy buyer would make a good breeder. I think one of the very best tips in choosing a good breeder is to choose one who sells with limited registration, if a breeder doesn't care about her puppy's future, she probably doesn't care much about the dogs in general, and doesn't do required health testing. I support the AKC and what it is trying to accomplish, and I think finding an AKC breeder is the first step in finding a quality ethical breeder, but only the first step.
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UKC (United Kennel Club0 and AKC are the top two registeries and the oldest, most elite.. They are about the same age. UKc first got started with hunting dogs now they have classes for everything, agility, conformation and etc. they have big premier show in kalamazoo, Mich every year is equal to some of the larger AKC shows. The top ten dogs of every breed are invited to compete. The other registeries mentioned aren't worth the paper they are written on and AKC will not register a dog from these. But beware, just because a dog is registered AKC doesn't mean you have a top of the line dog either. many people falsely belive this. Not so. Paperss are not worth anything anyway unless you are planning on breeding and showing. My show dogs are dual regisstered. UKC and AKC. I show in both venues but mainly in UKC. To regisster your dog in UKc, you must first register him/her AKC or it has to be born from two UKC parents. All my other dogs that I am not showing are strictly AKC.
To the OP - Just a heads up that UKC can also be the abbreviation for Universal Kennel Club which is just another one of the "alternative" registries used by BYB's and puppy mills.

If you are confused, you are not alone. Using similar initials is a deliberate attempt to confuse unsuspecting buyers that they are getting papers from a legitimate registry.
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CKC (Canadian Kennel Club) is just as good as AKC but in Canada obviously?
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CKC (Canadian Kennel Club) is just as good as AKC but in Canada obviously?
Yes, the Canadian Kennel Club is like our AKC.

Here in the US we have a CKC, the Continental Kennel Club, which is an attempt to to fool buyers into thinking they are the reputable Canadian Kennel Club.
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I agree the top two are AKC & UKC. If you buy a puppy with limited rights you can not regrister the pups born to them with these clubs. The reason for that is to protect the lines. Also, to try to control the puppy mills.So what many will do is to take the pups and regrister them with the off brand clubs if you want to call them that, so they at least have some sort of regristry to give to buyer of those litters. I also agree just because they are AKC or UKC does not make them champion dogs or the best you can buy. They are just a stable club and help you if you have problems with regristered dogs in their clubs.

Good information ladies and gents. It is good to know so many of us have the information to pass on to others.
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The registry of choice and probably the best and oldest is AKC, although as stated above just because your dog is registered AKC doesn't mean you have the best of the best. It only guarantees you the right to go back and challenge who you got your puppy from if there is any problems with their parentage.


Any dog, regardless of registry is only as good as the breeder that produced it. You can get dishonest, unethical breeders regardless of which registry you are using. Don't ever assume that the registry being used is an indication of the quality of the dog or the ethics of the breeder.

In regards to the OP, you were in a pet store...mistake number one. (I know, you were looking, not buying.) Just saying, dogs in pet stores are largely supplied by mills, so nothing there should come as a big surprise.
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To the OP - Just a heads up that UKC can also be the abbreviation for Universal Kennel Club which is just another one of the "alternative" registries used by BYB's and puppy mills.

If you are confused, you are not alone. Using similar initials is a deliberate attempt to confuse unsuspecting buyers that they are getting papers from a legitimate registry.

Thanks to everyone. I have a clear idea about clubs.
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