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09-11-2013, 08:32 PM | #1 |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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| New USDA breeding regulations
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09-11-2013, 09:20 PM | #2 | |
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09-12-2013, 01:36 AM | #3 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | That will appear to be the case! And let confusion reign!
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09-12-2013, 01:36 AM | #4 | |
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09-12-2013, 04:31 AM | #5 |
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| that is good to know// I appreciate all the info I can get because Morgan is getting a brother next year and I want to do it right |
09-12-2013, 05:50 AM | #6 |
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| The AKC is against this because anybody with more than four females capable of nreeding who sell even one puppy without new owner physically seeing it will have to follow certain rules. This includes home based breedrs (like those on YT) that will be required to follow exacting kennel standards (meaning it will be difficult to allow these breeding dogs to live in their homes).
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09-12-2013, 10:07 AM | #7 |
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| Wow...that really sucks!! It seems like every breeder is now going to have to get a USDA licence. I'm sorry, but I hardly think that having 4 breeding females makes someone a "commercial" breeder!! I am just not sure how these new rules are going to help anyone. IMO, if they are going to do something like this...they need to have different rules and regulations that apply to different kennel sizes and possibly different breeds as well....and it would be helpful if we, as buyers were able to tell "how commercial" the kennel is. Obviously, someone with 200 dogs is going to have different "needs" than someone who has "4 dogs" anyways...so trying to lump them all in one category seems crazy to me. I wonder what the impact will be like on the smaller breeders. I wonder if it will end up putting a lot of the smaller kennels out of business because of the changes they would have to make to be in compliance with the USDA?!? It would be a very sad day if/when our only choice would be to purchase a dog from some huge puppy mill corporation I am interested to hear from some of our breeders on here and what their perspective is on these new regulations. How and in what ways do you think this will impact your kennels?? Last edited by theporkieyorkie; 09-12-2013 at 10:11 AM. |
09-12-2013, 10:12 AM | #8 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | And I have to go through this law with a fine tooth comb. What happens if I want to ship a dog into the states from Canada, and have sold the dog sight un-seen over the internet? I think the AKC does a good summation of many of the points we small hobby breeders and especially those of us with Rare Breeds have. When you only have a couple of dozen breeders in all of the country, how can you expect folks to come to your home?
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09-13-2013, 03:29 AM | #9 |
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| Very discouraging.
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09-13-2013, 10:20 AM | #10 | |
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09-13-2013, 10:32 AM | #11 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | WEll Breeders LET US Start a new Business. That of Power of Attorney to examine a pup. WE sell our services to would be buyers who assign their DUTY to SEE the PUP at the BREEDERS home, and for a fee, we go over. We examine, we talk, we take pics, and then we send onto our client, examination done, everything fine. I as your proxy have looked at the pup! So now I as the breeder am not selling "sight" un-seen. Or how about we breeders all set up webcams in our home, and for a fee, allow a prospective buyer to see the puppy insitu?
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09-13-2013, 10:37 AM | #12 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | Look the good ones are small scale breeders, and you need at least four active breeding females.... But you want to keep your retired females. If zoning laws and your land and house and size of your dogs permits, maybe you will have 6 females on hand. So you have an inspection; do you have to PROVE only 4 females are breeding/ What happens when you keep a female puppy for 6mths or so to see if she is breed worthy; then bump you are over the limit. This law is so asinine I am speechless.. And where will the enforcement funds come from?
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09-13-2013, 12:38 PM | #13 | |
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I have been able to ascertain that the way I sometimes deal with my clients is OK in the new regulations. Being in a remote place, I often drive to my puppy clients' homes or meet them somewhere to do the transfer, and that seems OK. They relaxed the part of the rule that said the pruchase had to take place at the breeder's property. Of course, this does not help in the least with the dogs I routinely purchase and have shipped to me...Then again, those are breeding dogs that may be exempted under a different paragraph. While I have never approved of people buying sight unseen from unknown, reputation unverified, breeders on the internet, I don't think we needed new federal regulations to protect the careless people who would do so. This regulation gives so-called authorities too much leeway to come calling and abuse their misbegotten powers.
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09-13-2013, 12:51 PM | #14 | |
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The truly scary part is enforcement. Will HSUS, ASPCA, local breeder-hating ACO be deputized to do these inspections? Some of those buggers showed up at my door one day to investigate an anonymous, crank, complaint, and my life is forever changed by it. I didn't lose my dogs due to the fact they and my home were in marvelous condition and I was able to get immediate high-powered help on the scene. Sometimes help isn't available in such an immediate way. Once your dogs get confiscated over a technicality, they're gone forever. Being cleared in the courts later won't get youback your dogs. Yeah, this is stressful. I'm in dogs and totally committed to them, but I wouldn't take up this hobby as a beginner in today's legal environment.
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09-13-2013, 08:40 PM | #15 | |
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