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09-19-2013, 12:12 PM | #46 | |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | Quote:
Everyone thinks puppy mills are horrible, but nobody wants to help stop the problem. I know of the emails breeders send breeders with the horror stories of this happened to my friend, I don't believe it. Also, if they do try to pass a law that says breeders MUST keep dogs in a separate facility, I'll be right there with all of you fighting it, and I believe most of the pet owners on YT will help fight it too.
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09-19-2013, 12:43 PM | #47 |
♥Love My Snuggle Bugs♥ Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Missouri
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| I can see Gail's point though. If you are like she said say a Golden breeder who has 4 breeders and 2 retired females who are not spayed (because of the health concerns) Then how on earth are you going to prove that you are not breeding all 6? Would it be fair for them to tell you that you have to get rid of these 2 girls that you raised and love? I am sure we need laws but I think if the usda would just do the job they are suppose to be doing now we would not have so many puppy mills. I called them after we got Laddy about Stills Kennel and they didn't even bother to go check the complaint. I assure you that is definately a Puppy Mill and still up and going after all this time.
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09-19-2013, 12:52 PM | #48 | |
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09-19-2013, 12:55 PM | #49 | |
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| Here is a website that gives more information on the new law: The Retail Pet Store Final Rule and You! | National Animal Interest Alliance This new law sounds crazy and not well thought out. I can see how it can really effect the breeder/exhibitors. Many breeder/exhibitors sell and ship puppies sight unseen. Personally I have not and never will ship a puppy. This part really bothers me: Quote:
If the rule is no more than 4 breeding females then what happens when your females are close to retiring and you want to keep another female for your breeding program? Females ares are not usually bred until they are 18 months to 2 years old so there will be an overlap if someone has only 4 females they are actually breeding and a couple more that are not quite old enough to breed.
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09-19-2013, 01:10 PM | #50 | |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | Quote:
Personally I don't believe a thing National Animal Interest Alliance says, it's run by commercial breeders and they are the ones that put out a lot of the false information. If what you say about breeding dog is true, I agree, it's not right and it sounds like the commercial breeder win again. I wonder how many small breeders tried to help make a good law, it's seems all they did was reject everything, I tried to have a conversation on what was a reasonable number of breeding dogs, no one wanted to talk about it, everyone just thought they had the power to veto the law, I knew it would pass, with or without the help of good breeders. Unfortunately commercial breeders probably have their asses covered more than anyone.
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09-19-2013, 04:10 PM | #51 | |
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No "bovine scat"....no scare tactic, no drama, no propaganda.....reality, and to try to explane to people that are not breeders, who have NO idea what breeding correctly actually entails and costs, who can only see what THEY want to see, who believe they know all the answers on how to do something they have never done, is a complete waste of time. It will all come to pass as you have said above, and then we can run around, thumping on our chests proudly, and say "we told you so"....of course, that wont resurrect the quality of our breed, continue the breeding of purebred, exquisite lines, or provide someone that wants to purchase a quality, purebred Yorkie, a pup they can have around for 10-16 years. When the people running the show, are of the mindset that all they can see are "too many unwanted dogs" and "there is no reason to be breeding dogs anyway", then this is the monster we have been fighting through all our breed clubs and in the halls of capital buildings in State's capitols across this country, for over 3 years. Unless you were actually in these marches, in these legislative fights, in these States pleading with governors and Congress etc, you have no idea what alternatives have been proposed and offered for consideration, along with hundreds of thousands of letters and petitions, trying to show specifically and exactly how these regulations are going to do all the wrong things to all the wrong people.....Like my momma used to say to me, "Judy, you are wasting your breath...one day you are going to wish you had all those breaths ahead of you....". So, I rest my case on this. I have my plan formulated, and I will sit on the sideline and watch it all disappear, shake my head, and simply sigh, "we told you so". | |
09-19-2013, 04:36 PM | #52 |
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| Just by the way farm animals are treated and the USDA not caring, it is obv there is more to this than them wanting to protect little puppies and their owners. I can't find the housing specifications, just the ApHIS interpretation. Anybody have them?
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09-19-2013, 05:00 PM | #53 | |
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Nancy do you seriously think this law is going to curtail bad breeders especially large scale bad breeders? Nope not one whit. They will find other avenues to advertise their product.
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09-19-2013, 05:16 PM | #54 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | The change in regulations will also increase from three to four the number of breeding females (dogs, cats or small exotic/wild pocket pets) that people may maintain before they would be required to be licensed under the Animal Welfare Act. This will allow APHIS to better concentrate its resources on ensuring the welfare of animals at larger breeding operations. Breeders who maintain four or fewer breeding females are considered hobby breeders who already provide sufficient care to their animals without APHIS’ oversight – provided they only sell the offspring of animals born and raised on their premises for pets or exhibition USDA - APHIS - Missing Page - Error 404 So what happens if you sell another dog to a breeder?? If you fall under the APHIS definition you must keep your breeding establishment to AWA standards. And Nancy that is where you will find what AWA wants in terms of kennels.
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09-19-2013, 05:46 PM | #55 | |
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09-19-2013, 05:53 PM | #56 | |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | Quote:
Here's the email address if anyone would like to ask questions. ace@aphis.usda.gov>;
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09-21-2013, 06:08 AM | #57 |
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: England
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| So be it... While you animal rights sympathizers are all puffed up with pride at having seen yet another piece of anti-breeder regulation added to the maze of rules that already had the vigilantes running roughshod over us, we are scaling back our breeding programs, lawyering up and making our contingency plans for when the "authorities" come around looking for any little excuse to take our dogs away. For those of you who get on here and preach how a puppy buyer MUST visit a breeder's home and see the "facility" with their own eyes, well, good luck with that! How eager do you think I am to give out my address to anyone? People conducting a raid don't necessarily show up with a search warrant, and they do lie at the door to gain entry. I CAN PROVE THAT!! Have you noticed a drop in show entries? I need to use a handler but get sick at the thought of sending my dog away where he/she may be less safe than here. Gun toting "authorities" raided a big cat show in RI last spring, scaring daylights out of the people there, including children. The need to protect myself and my dogs will be reflected in my puppy prices and availability, or lack thereof. Anyone thinking they'll be wanting a well bred Yorkie should start saving up. Have a nice day!
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09-21-2013, 08:56 AM | #58 |
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| After losing my little girl, Ashley, it was my great hope that, when the time came to add another baby to our lives, she would come from a breeder who loved her little ones with all of heart and soul and raised them as part of a family. These breeders like this, who breed for the pure joy of bringing babies into the world and who are there to protect, better, nurture, the breed they are working with so that we can have healthy, beautiful dogs with excellent temperaments are the heroes out there. What they do is a labor and a gift of love. I applaud these breeders and am very grateful for them. I was blessed to get Katie from one of these breeders. Even with very careful screening of puppy buyers, it takes a leap of faith to give up a very loved baby to his/her forever home. What these exemplary breeders do is bring such joy and happiness to people's lives and they also do much to preserve and better the Yorkshire Terrier breed. I am so very grateful that Katie was raised in such a loving home before she came to live with us and that her breeder placed her little girl with me. I heard such wonderful things about Katie's breeder from my dear friend Gemy, and she spoke to our breeder on my behalf over and above the many conversations I had with her over the phone. I personally met her breeder's partner at the National Yorkie Specialty the year before when I spent the day with Gemy there. My other dear friend Jackie, who along with Gemy are the reasons why Katie is part of our family, met our breeder when she went to get Katie for me when I was unable to. Nine months later she got her own little girl from the same breeder. I knew for sure that Katie came from a wonderful breeder, even though I never met her. I definitely will meet her someday because I know she misses Katie, and I owe that to her after placing my precious gift with me. I truly believe we owe these breeders a lot, and I am so saddened to hear about this law. I hate puppy mills as much as everyone else here does, but it is imperative that we protect ethical breeders who are doing everything right to protect the lives, health, beauty, and special temperament of the breed we love. To have such intense fear of having their loved ones seized is a horrific reality that they are faced with, and this makes me very sad.
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09-21-2013, 02:35 PM | #59 | |
♥ Maximo and Teddy Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Northern Virginia
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I found Max & Teddy's breeder's website on the internet. The pictures of her dogs being shown (by her and a handler) gave me more confidence that she was a good breeder. Also gave me more confidence about visiting her home. It is just as scary to go to a stranger's home (especially carrying a large amount of cash) as it is to have strangers come to your home. If I were in your position, I would probably ask for verifiable information like place of employment. Seeing the breeding pair also gave me more confidence about choosing my puppy. As for price . . . yes, there will always be people who are unhappy with the price.
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09-21-2013, 04:19 PM | #60 |
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| Ooops I guess that will teach me not to comment on things I don't know much about. I was just thinking about what I personally would do if I bought a pup from another state. I'm not a breeder, so have no idea of the impact it would have.
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