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09-14-2013, 07:28 AM | #16 | |
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09-14-2013, 08:57 AM | #17 | |
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09-14-2013, 12:17 PM | #18 |
Donating YT 4000 Club Member | I would hate to see good breeders giving it up because of these new regulations. The greeders won't care because they don't follow any regulations to begin with.
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09-14-2013, 12:27 PM | #19 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | Judy I am so sorry to hear that. Truly sorry. But don't despair just yet. Where there is a will there is a way. I know our BRT club in the USA will be looking at this very very closely. One key is to make sure that there is no linkage between under 4 breeding females, and even one sale over the internet. By that I mean, if you have 2 or 3 breeding females, you are essentially exempt from all following regulations as you do not meet their criteria. Also remember it has been yet to be tested in any court cases.
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09-17-2013, 11:54 PM | #20 |
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| Not a breeder, but it would seem to me that a buyer could just fly in to P/U their pup (about the same cost as shipping right?) then it wouldn't be "sight unseen". I don't know all the details from a breeders perspective. As a potential buyer, I always wondered why anyone would pay $300-$350 to have a pup shipped when they could pay a bit more & get to meet the pup parents & breeder. I know that I would feel better flying with my new pup for a little more rather than letting them fly with a courier or alone!!
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09-18-2013, 08:27 AM | #21 | |
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It also hasn't passed yet. There is 60 days before that happens.
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09-18-2013, 09:04 AM | #22 | |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | If everyone was kind, thoughtful, considerate, honest, and not greedy, we wouldn’t need laws, but unfortunately they are not and we need laws to protect those who can’t protect themselves. Laws always have some impact on the rest of us, but we have to weigh and balance the good vs. the bad that they will do. I really don’t understand why so many of you breeders are against this law, it’s like you don’t believe that there are some really horrendous puppy mills out there and for some reason you think this USDA would come marching into your house, believe me, they will be busy enough with the large inhumane puppy mills and there are no laws to affect them. You all say, we have enough laws, but there are NO laws that cover breeders who sell directly to the public. The USDA list should never have been used as a “guide to puppy mills”, it was only a guide to commercial breeders but the worst puppy mills weren’t even registered with the USDA. I’m really confused the breeders here are so against this law, most good breeders want to meet the prospective buyer in person and don’t mind if the buyer wants to inspect the breeding conditions or “kennels.” This law only applies to you if you meet TWO conditions, one you have over four breeding females, and two if you sell you dogs sight unseen. For those breeders who don’t want buyers in their home, you can even meet at another location, but I would discourage buyers form buying from this type of breeder, since the whole purpose is to make sure you’re not buying from a breeder who keeps the dogs in inhumane conditions. If you want more than four female breeding dogs, meet the buyers in person. I really think some of you have blown the impact of this law on your breeding programs way out of proportion. Basically, the buyer must see the dog before purchase, how is this so bad? Quote:
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09-18-2013, 09:38 AM | #23 | |
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Plus some breeds even at eight weeks old are too large to go in cabin, and still must be flown cargo.
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09-18-2013, 09:55 AM | #24 |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | I don't think the USDA has any impact on Canadians. This is for US breeders.
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09-18-2013, 10:24 AM | #25 | |
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Why do you think you need to keep your dogs in a separate location, where do you read this?
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09-18-2013, 10:36 AM | #26 |
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| Breeding I have bred yorkies for 20+ years but this may well be the last straw for me too. It is enough for me to make sure I am in compliance with AKC and be prepared for an inspection. I have only had one inspection but it went well. I don't want to put my dogs outside in a kennel either. My puppies are aways very social and loving and that usually makes an impression on buyers but if one is raised in a kennel, you can forget that. With mine being in the house, my husband or I am always picking one up and cuddling with it but if they are outside they won't have nearly the contact. That is not the reason I started breeding. I think everyone who breeds knows that it is not a money making proposition. Also, I have four breeding females; however I have five older females. Three are spayed and two are not. I also have two female puppies that I have held onto but I think they will go too. It really takes the wind out of your sails if you are a small breeder who does well to break even and keep your dogs healthy. I can't see anything good coming from this. In my area we have few yorkie breeders left anyway due to the economy, so this is going to limit choices for getting a puppy to the Humane Society or a couple of pet stores.
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09-18-2013, 10:43 AM | #27 | |
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09-19-2013, 02:15 AM | #28 | |
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09-19-2013, 08:02 AM | #29 | |
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09-19-2013, 08:43 AM | #30 | |
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I know people have said that they don't breed to make money that they barely break even but I call bullish*t on that. People breed to SELL puppies. It's gotten out of control. If they limited breeders to one or two litters a year, would we run out of pets? I think not. I could never be a breeder, I don't understand taking a family member, making them have babies then selling those babies to people you don't know. However, I have seen such a large percentage of badly bred animals and animal shelters full of unwanted animals that I just don't get the *need* for anyone to breed.
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