Heads up for Future Pup

[HisNameIsHarley]

I really want to get another yorkie.. I think it's an addiction.. But Harley is my main priority and we are still working on his behavior, which btw is going AWESOME! Anyway, I am posting this thread bc later in the future (later future meaning most likely late summer or fall of next year) I plan on buying a new pup (male or female? Not sure yet) but want to get the highest quality possible. Meaning, I really want to purchase from a breeder on yorkietalk who I can trust, talk to whenever, see their bloodlines, health records.. I mean the whole deal. I want/need show ring quality/potential and a total mirror image of the breed standard. The money really isn't an issue bc with time I can save up as much as needed. But what would be great is if breeders on yorkietalk who would be interested in selling to me later in the future then please pm me and fill me in.

Note: I want AKC FULL registration with breeding rights. So if you don't offer this option then I am not interested. I can promise any and everyone of you that may reply to this that I plan on making breeding my life and I am totally dedicated to this breed. Feel free to bug or question me! I'm an open book!

[wnalegria]

Originally Posted by HisNameIsHarley

I really want to get another yorkie.. I think it's an addiction.. But Harley is my main priority and we are still working on his behavior, which btw is going AWESOME! Anyway, I am posting this thread bc later in the future (later future meaning most likely late summer or fall of next year) I plan on buying a new pup (male or female? Not sure yet) but want to get the highest quality possible. Meaning, I really want to purchase from a breeder on yorkietalk who I can trust, talk to whenever, see their bloodlines, health records.. I mean the whole deal. I want/need show ring quality/potential and a total mirror image of the breed standard. The money really isn't an issue bc with time I can save up as much as needed. But what would be great is if breeders on yorkietalk who would be interested in selling to me later in the future then please pm me and fill me in.

Note: I want AKC FULL registration with breeding rights. So if you don't offer this option then I am not interested. I can promise any and everyone of you that may reply to this that I plan on making breeding my life and I am totally dedicated to this breed. Feel free to bug or question me! I'm an open book!

You had better be ready to be an open book and answer a lot of questions.
You are asking a breeder to place a lot of trust in you. Be prepared to be turned down by a lot of breeders until they get to know you better and have a good idea on your plans for breeding.

Most breeders will not place the qaulity of pup that you are asking for until they trust you, you have a mentor, and have shown that you have researched the breed and know what you are doing. It will be hard to purchase a show male - that you do not intend to show- but just want to breed.

You should look at puppies that are at least 6 months old- glad that price is not a option because you are looking at $3,500.00 to $5,000.00 for what you state you are wanting.

I have two males that I will be using for stud- they are both Ch. sired and one has a Champion dam. The father on both of these boys sired the Top Winning Show Bitch for 2004 and she also was BOS at Westminster. Will I sell puppies from these boys this spring to someone that I do not know and trust - no way. Folks who want puppies out of these boys are going to have to show that they have done thier homework. I have done mine.

You need to visit websites and dogshows- look and see who has the type of dog that you like. Contact those breeders and start to develop a relationship
with them. You need to get your foot in the door and build trust and let them know that you are responsible and understand what the breed standard call for. Get a mentor close to home- and learn and talk and talk be a sponge and take all the information in that you will need to meet your goal.



Kathy

[feminvstr]

Kathy pretty much posted my thoughts, but I will add it is not up to the breeder to court you!! Any breeder worth his/her salt will never solicit prospective buyers. Most prestigious bloodline are not shared easily to the inexperienced or wanna be breeder because you have no interest in bettering the breed. A good prospective breeder will learn everything they can by adopting a show/breeder mentor, visiting all local dog shows and veraciously read anything and everything about the breed and learning predigrees.

Once that is established and only then will you doors open giving you access to the top bloodlines. Also keep in mind most good bloodlines are NOT going to be sold just for breeding purposes. Most would want your committment in showing in the ring and many would only sell on co-ownership until finished!

[HisNameIsHarley]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Kathy pretty much posted my thoughts, but I will add it is not up to the breeder to court you!! Any breeder worth his/her salt will never solicit prospective buyers. Most prestigious bloodline are not shared easily to the inexperienced or wanna be breeder because you have no interest in bettering the breed. A good prospective breeder will learn everything they can by adopting a show/breeder mentor, visiting all local dog shows and veraciously read anything and everything about the breed and learning predigrees.

Once that is established and only then will you doors open giving you access to the top bloodlines. Also keep in mind most good bloodlines are NOT going to be sold just for breeding purposes. Most would want your committment in showing in the ring and many would only sell on co-ownership until finished!

I appriciate all the info and am right now working on trying to find a good breeder/mentor in my area that I can learn from and experience things through. Rini has been recommended to me and I plan on contacting her to see if she could even consider taking the time to help me learn and to get these experiences under my belt.

I hope in the bold print that you were speaking solely of people who care nothing about bettering the breed opposed to speaking directly to me as if those are my intentions.

[topknot]

I know these are tough posts for you, but it is reality. Good breeders protect their lines, because they have to. Not everyone does their homework and do right by the standard. They even might say they will, but then don't when they have you out of the picture. Behind our lines are thousands and thousands of hours in research... learning, stydying pedigrees and photos and viewing of dogs, show hours, grooming, nurturing, talking to others, etc.. It is our name too! One person told me that all we really have when you get down do it - is your name and behind that is your reputation. It is for the betterment of or breed and love of our dogs that we do protect our lines. Novices should respect this and you will learn as you go. You would not want a doctor to operate on you unless he had years of research/studying and practice. I have seen a lot of changes that have happen to the yorkie breed since I was away and now returned - 20 years ago I would have never heard of a chocolate/blue pups, liver shunt, or LP. It is not uncommon now to see a yorkie go over its 7 pound standard limit. Why? Could it be because some people breed without doing their research and just breed, because they wanted pups? Honestly - you can't and shouldn't breed all yorkies. They have to be as close to the standard as possible and you have to know the lines and back history/condition of the dogs and their ancestors to get an idea what you would produce ahead of time. Questions for only you to ask yourself: What line does your dog come from? How close is he to the standard? Did his grandparents have any problems? How was the coloring of his parents? What fault does my dog have and how can I fix it? Should I really breed my dog - what traits could he pass on? Etc..
So it is not because we are being mean or don't think well of you - this is knowledge that we are passing on to you to help, because we love our yorkies and are dedicated to them. This is not to say that you are not. But once you have paid your dues (like we have) and learned more about the breed you will understand what we are talking about. One can ruin all of our work in just one breeding and there goes the standard and our name with it.
T.

[wnalegria]

We are not trying to be mean to you. Just trying to give you a big dose or how it is before you do get hurt.

I have had yorkies since the 1970's. I contacted a person who is on this forum. I asked about using this person's male for stud or getting a puppy from this person. I was told no- I did not qualify under this person's standards to get a puppy from them. This person has had yorkies for less then 8 years. Should I be hurt and have hard feeling- heavens no. I might not be good enough for the dogs that this persons uses for stud or breeds but a well established breeder from the late 70's early 80's said yes- and I got my two new boys. Will I get the bloodline that I wanted from this first breeder yes, I will just have to do a little more research.

Just wanted you to be prepared - and to take it with grace and know that there is always tomorrow and that if you are told no keep working and you will get your dream.


Kathy

[HisNameIsHarley]

I know that I have a long road ahead of me that will be filled with lots and lots of work, practice, preparation, consideration, heartbreak and rejection. I also realize that at one point each and every breeder was new too and just as inexperienced as I am now. I know that not all yorkies should be bred which is exactly why I had my Harley fixed. The more I learned and the more 'homework' I did I came to the realization that he is not breeding material. (not to imply that he isn't a wonderful pet ) I do not plan to rush into any breeding either. I am only 19yrs old and still have a huge future ahead of me. I'm in college and still live at home. Becoming a good and respectable breeder is a dream of mine that I am willing to sacrafice anything to accomplish. I need/want a breeder mentor and I'm working on trying to find someone within my area and who has time for me. I also realize that I don't know every single thing about the breeding program but I only want to learn more. If a breeder with excellent pedigree puppies does not want to sell a pup to an inexperienced future breeder like me than that's ok with me. I respect everyone who protects their babies bc I know they've worked VERY hard to get where they are and to get healthy, happy and beautiful dogs. (If they were all for handing over one of their babies without deep investigation I would be worried and wonder whether this were the breeder I want to become involved with) I said that I would like a show quality pup with a great pedigree with excellent health backgrounds bc I only want to breed for the standard. And the only reason I would most likely not show them is bc it's that part of breeding that doesn't interest me at this point in my life. I cannot help that. And if that will keep me from being able to get a great dog with healthy breeding perspectives then I'm not sure what to do.

I also only posted this thread bc there is no 'yorkietalk directory' that lists what users are breeders and which are not, let alone mention which ones are reputable, experienced and in this for the betterment of the breed not the money. So I posted this hoping that someone could point me in the right direction to people who I could begin to build a relationship and friendship with for a chance of a future dog purchase or breeding.

[shyorkies]

Well I believe that I am the breeder that Kathy is referring to.. If so what she does not realize is that the person I bought my male from would have to be the one to okay the use of him as a stud outside of my home or the sale of one of his puppies on full registration.. I like everyone else has worked very hard for what I have and continue to strive to have..

But Kathy is exactly right.. I have over $4,500.00 in my Lupae alone! Would I just hand anyone a puppy from him for breeding purposes, the answer is NO! I feel that he is my gold at the end of the rainbow, my hopes and dreams! It is very hard to get your hands on excellent quality yorkies, but if you are determined and on the up and up with everyone you contact someone might just want to help you and mentor you!

What I have also learnt is it is very hard to get someone to help you and be that mentor that YOU and I need! I would love nothing more than to have a mentor and someone to share my hardwork with, but I have learnt in the show world there is to much jealousy and I never know when someone truly wants to help me or the complete opposite!

I wish you Good-Luck in your search for the perfect male and if you are being truly honest one day someone will see that and help you!

And if you were not referring to me Kathy, I apologize for mentioning that..

Melanie

[HisNameIsHarley]

I just wanted to also restate that I don't know which sex I want yet.

[wnalegria]

Take a chance- you see the posts on here and have a good idea who breeds, and shows. Talk to those people get to know them. Ask them questions and build a relationship.

If you sit there and feel sorry for yourself after rejection - you will not get any where. be strong there are a lot of god people out there. I can say that I know more nice people in the dog world them those who are unkind. Don't walk arouind with a chip on your shoulder. When you meet some one who is a down in the dumps - poor me person- keep going don't let them drag you down. be positive and be persistant.

Thru this web site I have met abbey, femivstr and sylvan who I consider my best friends. Abbey I have met in person - the other two only by email and phone contact. But you know when it clicks and it is right. Would I do anything for those gals you bet.

I met a gal who has some of my old bloodlines from the 70's- this person has offered me one of her gals to breed- no strings attached to help me get back some of the bloodlines and some of the dogs in a pedigree that I used to own. What a nice person- that is what and who is out there if you are willing to take a chance and work at it. Take your time and get to know folks out there your new best friend is waiting for you. Don'y lock yourself in a closet and miss out on what is going on in the world of yorkies.

kathy

[HisNameIsHarley]

Originally Posted by wnalegria

Take a chance- you see the posts on here and have a good idea who breeds, and shows. Talk to those people get to know them. Ask them questions and build a relationship.

If you sit there and feel sorry for yourself after rejection - you will not get any where. be strong there are a lot of god people out there. I can say that I know more nice people in the dog world them those who are unkind. Don't walk arouind with a chip on your shoulder. When you meet some one who is a down in the dumps - poor me person- keep going don't let them drag you down. be positive and be persistant.

Thru this web site I have met abbey, femivstr and sylvan who I consider my best friends. Abbey I have met in person - the other two only by email and phone contact. But you know when it clicks and it is right. Would I do anything for those gals you bet.

I met a gal who has some of my old bloodlines from the 70's- this person has offered me one of her gals to breed- no strings attached to help me get back some of the bloodlines and some of the dogs in a pedigree that I used to own. What a nice person- that is what and who is out there if you are willing to take a chance and work at it. Take your time and get to know folks out there your new best friend is waiting for you. Don'y lock yourself in a closet and miss out on what is going on in the world of yorkies.

kathy

Yes mam! It is sometimes intimidating but I'm begining to understand that everyone is only being tough on me because that's the only way to learn. Because breeding isn't for the light hearted and I see now that you really have to push to succeed. I just made a pm to someone who was recommended to me by someone on yorkietalk to try and make a good contact. I have read several (okay, a lot more than several ) posts and threads containing info about particular people who breed but I'm not the worlds most outgoing person so I guess I'm just nervous! That's really great how you've built such great friendships with abbey, femivstr and sylvan and that really is awesome how that person came back and decided to share old bloodlines with you. I'm going to keep going through threads and posts to try and find more 'contacts'. I really don't know any other means of delving into the yorkie world. I live in Shepherdstown WV and have never heard of a dog show or any well known breeders here. But then again I don't know how to look.. So there ya go! They might be right under my nose and I don't even know it!

[YorkieRose]

Go to INFODOG.com..click on WVA shows and get a list of shows in your area.
I know Clara Powanda in Wheeling was a big help to me many years ago.

[wnalegria]

Originally Posted by HisNameIsHarley

Yes mam! It is sometimes intimidating but I'm begining to understand that everyone is only being tough on me because that's the only way to learn. Because breeding isn't for the light hearted and I see now that you really have to push to succeed. I just made a pm to someone who was recommended to me by someone on yorkietalk to try and make a good contact. I have read several (okay, a lot more than several ) posts and threads containing info about particular people who breed but I'm not the worlds most outgoing person so I guess I'm just nervous! That's really great how you've built such great friendships with abbey, femivstr and sylvan and that really is awesome how that person came back and decided to share old bloodlines with you. I'm going to keep going through threads and posts to try and find more 'contacts'. I really don't know any other means of delving into the yorkie world. I live in Shepherdstown WV and have never heard of a dog show or any well known breeders here. But then again I don't know how to look.. So there ya go! They might be right under my nose and I don't even know it!

Well Eliza Doolitle I think you got it. You have have made some great progress in contacting this person. It is hard not to be shy- but to win in the show ring and to get where you want you have to overcome that obsticle.
Sorry can't spell tonight.

I wish that I could say that I had worked out my differences with the breeder who turned me down. We did not. Will I be unkind to that person or bad mouth no. Sometime down the road that person may just need what I have or my help. I made other contacts that is how I found the breeder willing to give me her bitch to breed for one time with no strings attached. Like I said there are a lot of good people out there- you just have to get to know them.

Good luck and keep up the learning/

kathy

[wnalegria]

Originally Posted by shyorkies

Well I believe that I am the breeder that Kathy is referring to.. If so what she does not realize is that the person I bought my male from would have to be the one to okay the use of him as a stud outside of my home or the sale of one of his puppies on full registration.. I like everyone else has worked very hard for what I have and continue to strive to have..

But Kathy is exactly right.. I have over $4,500.00 in my Lupae alone! Would I just hand anyone a puppy from him for breeding purposes, the answer is NO! I feel that he is my gold at the end of the rainbow, my hopes and dreams! It is very hard to get your hands on excellent quality yorkies, but if you are determined and on the up and up with everyone you contact someone might just want to help you and mentor you!

What I have also learnt is it is very hard to get someone to help you and be that mentor that YOU and I need! I would love nothing more than to have a mentor and someone to share my hardwork with, but I have learnt in the show world there is to much jealousy and I never know when someone truly wants to help me or the complete opposite!

I wish you Good-Luck in your search for the perfect male and if you are being truly honest one day someone will see that and help you!

And if you were not referring to me Kathy, I apologize for mentioning that..

Melanie

There are a lot of good people out there don't be afraid to take a chance. Don't worry about your ego or those of others. There are always those who think that they are better then you- just ignore it and keep a trucking. When you do make progress in your breeding program always remember to not be rude to others. There is always a way to be polite and kind to others.
Take it as a compliment that someone liked your dogs and inquired about them. I am tickled pink when someone contacts me- shows that I am on the right tract.

Here is my laugh for you- the person that I spoke of in the last post who was unkind to me would email me websites of folks who had my Ladylair bloodline that I wanted to recapture. The websites were clearly puppy mills. How insulting to do this to me. Very-but I chose to ignore it and did not confront the person. I thought about contacting the breeder who had bred thier dogs but decided it was not worth the effort and time. Went and found a breeder who has the line closer and was a friend of Sandy Lemire who used the line in her breeding program.

Be strong- be willing to learn- don't worry about those know it all's that you will meet- ignore those who have not done well and do not wish you to well beacuse of thier poor choices. Will you get hit on the head- sure will- get up and learn from your mistakes- try and help someone else so that they don't make the same ones. Above all enjoy the experience and the pleasure that you will have from the dogs and friends that you will make. Don't be afraid to take a chance.


Kathy

[scratches007]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Go to INFODOG.com..click on WVA shows and get a list of shows in your area.
I know Clara Powanda in Wheeling was a big help to me many years ago.

My mother past on 1 20 2009