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Old 05-02-2011, 05:39 PM   #1
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I am really confused when it comes to regular vaccines. I have heard and read so many horror stories of over vaccinating and now I don't know what to do.

Taycie is due next for her next set of shots on the 16th of June. This will be her 1yr booters. She is getting her booters and bordatella and then I go back 2 weeks later for Rabies. I like to seperate shots.

Then I am done... I guess.. My vet suggests every 3 yrs for Boosters and then obviously Rabies. My question is what do you do? What are you comfortable with?

My other concern is insurance. I have Trupanion for Taycie. I am concerned if she is not current on her vaccines and something horrible happens will they end up denying my claim because I did not provide preventative care?

I also have found a holistic vet in the area that will do teeter tests. I am not sure what these are??? The lady I buy my dog food from recommended her to me. She also told me, apparently, the county will accept teeter tests instead of the actual Rabies shot. She also said it's been over 10 yrs since she has done Rabies shots to any of her pets.

Please help... I am so confused.. I also feel bad leaving my vet.. for another
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A few things:

1. you should be comfortable with the vet you have, you should be able to talk to them, give them your concerns and make decisions regarding your dog together. You should not feel bad leaving them if you are not comfortable or if they are not open to listening to and addressing your concerns. However, you should not leave them because they say something different then someone on a forum.

2. Your vet is one of your best resources for this question- because they know what vaccines are very important in your area. For example, my vet recommended not vaccinating my dogs for Lepto, in our area and for my dogs situation he did not feel they were at risk. However, in some areas Lepto is a huge concerns and then dogs should be vaccinated.

Me, personally- I think 1 year boosters are important. I also think Rabies is important and have it done every three years according to law and would never not do that. Beyond one year boosters I titer and vaccinate as necessary.

I am very against over vaccinating, however, I also think we need to be careful not to withhold vaccines that can protect our dogs from very dangerous diseases.

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A few things:

1. you should be comfortable with the vet you have, you should be able to talk to them, give them your concerns and make decisions regarding your dog together. You should not feel bad leaving them if you are not comfortable or if they are not open to listening to and addressing your concerns. However, you should not leave them because they say something different then someone on a forum.

2. Your vet is one of your best resources for this question- because they know what vaccines are very important in your area. For example, my vet recommended not vaccinating my dogs for Lepto, in our area and for my dogs situation he did not feel they were at risk. However, in some areas Lepto is a huge concerns and then dogs should be vaccinated.

Me, personally- I think 1 year boosters are important. I also think Rabies is important and have it done every three years according to law and would never not do that. Beyond one year boosters I titer and vaccinate as necessary.

I am very against over vaccinating, however, I also think we need to be careful not to withhold vaccines that can protect our dogs from very dangerous diseases.

Good Luck with your choice.

Thankyou for your advice! I really don't want to leave my vet. I am going to talk more with her at this next visit and see what she recommends. I absolutely agree with you when it comes to seeking advice from a vet vs a forum. I am rather seeking opinions and advice on the subject as there seems to be so many different ideas out there and I am rather confused.

My vet also does not vaccinate for Lepto here in UT. She said it is not needed here and it would not benefit her to have it. Taycie has never had the Lepto Vaccine.

1yr boosters seem smart to me along with Rabies and then go from there. I recently have read so many awful stories on vaccines I just started to get nervous. What exactly is a titer test? Does this just basically tell what vaccines she really could benefit from?


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Old 05-02-2011, 06:43 PM   #4
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I agree with armaniman

I don't think I'd ever skip out on the 1yr boosters.... and to be honest, I'm still unsure about what I am going to do.

Jackson got as follows:
8 weeks - DHPP
12 weeks - DHLPP (had a reaction to lepto- so never again)
15 weeks - DHPP
6 months old - rabies (he got this later just due to me being nervous about it).

Then at 1 year old, he got a booster of DHPP and about a month later, got the rabies booster.

We will definitely be doing rabies every 3yrs per our state law. I still, however, feel like that is WAY over doing it but I'd rather comply with the law and don't think it's worth the risk to *not* get it.

As for the DHPP, my vet told me he was going to be due again in 3yrs (so, when he turns 4). He will turn 3 in October of this year so I've got a bit to think about it... I think I am going to opt not to get it. Or just get one more booster of DHPP when he turns 4 and THEN be done with it for the rest of his life.

The only "non core" vaccine we do is bordatella. We frequent dog parks, pet stores, and are around way too many other dogs for us not to get it. The few times I let the vaccine lapse, he got kennel cough (twice) and it's just annoying, so I'd rather have him get the squirt up his nose every year.
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***** I found out what a Titer test is..

I used my "smart brain" and found a link in the sticky above.. duh.. lol

This particular one didn't think Titer Tests were very helpful.. thoughts?

Scientifically, a pet can have a zero titer and still resist infection. It can have a high titer and still become infected. So what does the "titer" number really mean? Titers are a measure of the number of antibodies per volume of blood, and that's all. They do not reflect immunity to disease. (Remember back to the page on humoral and cell-mediated immunity. An animal can have lots of antibiodies but lack cell-mediated immunity and become infected. An animal can also have no antibodies but lots of cell-mediated immunity, and be resistant to infection. It depends on the organism and its particular weaknesses.)

Titers are a valuable tool in one circumstance - when we are trying to determine whether an animal has been vaccinated before (as in the case of a stray animal with an unknown vaccine history). I will also do titers in some cases in pets that have had appropriate vaccinations previously, but where we want to have some reassurance that the animal probably has mounted an adequate immune response. This might include cases where puppies were vaccinated at a very young age, or in a pet that might have been immunosuppressed at the time of vaccination. Sometimes we will titer test new patients when we want to change from an annual schedule that the previous vet had advocated to a three-year protocol, and the owner needs some reassurance that "protection" is there.

In most cases, though, titers give a false sense of security. There is absolutely no consensus as to when to revaccinate an animal based on titer tests. Do you revaccinate if the titer gets under 1:50? 1:20? 1:5? Zero? Since there is no way to correlate the number with actual protection, there is no "magic" titer number at which we vaccinate.

If it doesn't tell us whether the dog is protected, and doesn't tell us whether he needs a booster vaccination, a titer test is pretty much a waste of money. We get a result, but the result is of little practical or scientific value.

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I agree with armaniman

I don't think I'd ever skip out on the 1yr boosters.... and to be honest, I'm still unsure about what I am going to do.

Jackson got as follows:
8 weeks - DHPP
12 weeks - DHLPP (had a reaction to lepto- so never again)
15 weeks - DHPP
6 months old - rabies (he got this later just due to me being nervous about it).

Then at 1 year old, he got a booster of DHPP and about a month later, got the rabies booster.

We will definitely be doing rabies every 3yrs per our state law. I still, however, feel like that is WAY over doing it but I'd rather comply with the law and don't think it's worth the risk to *not* get it.

As for the DHPP, my vet told me he was going to be due again in 3yrs (so, when he turns 4). He will turn 3 in October of this year so I've got a bit to think about it... I think I am going to opt not to get it. Or just get one more booster of DHPP when he turns 4 and THEN be done with it for the rest of his life.

The only "non core" vaccine we do is bordatella. We frequent dog parks, pet stores, and are around way too many other dogs for us not to get it. The few times I let the vaccine lapse, he got kennel cough (twice) and it's just annoying, so I'd rather have him get the squirt up his nose every year.

I forgot about boratella, although I think that is one I will get always. She is also around other dogs especially at work and parks etc, Some also have had kennel cough at work and its awful. I think I would rather give bordatella then deal with KC.

Good advice about Rabies Thanks!

I guess what I have to decide later, is if to continue with DHPP later on in life..
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What does everyone think of this:

I recently took one of my Yorkies to get microchipped (to a vet who isn't our regular vet) and <background:> the first two sets of shots were given by her regular vet and the third set of shots were given by me ( third shots: the vaccines/needle/instructions how to give were provided to me by her regular vet ).
the microchipping vet asked if she was current on her shots, to which I replied yes and told them the above. They, in turn, said we won't see her again unless she has duplicate shots because they don't recognize the shots given by me. (no problem, I'm not planning on taking her back/was only there for microchipping) I asked if they were concerned about over-vaccinating. They said, "oh no, they can have those shots over and over again - that's what we do with strays, they could have a set of shots every month without a problem"
Now hearing that I'm thinking maybe they are just saying that in case there ever is a problem they'd blame the problem on something else.
I don't agree with them, but I'm not a vet...what do you think of this?
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I brought this up as it does address the OP's concerns...maybe (at least per this vet) there's no such thing as over-vaccinating???
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What does everyone think of this:

I recently took one of my Yorkies to get microchipped (to a vet who isn't our regular vet) and <background:> the first two sets of shots were given by her regular vet and the third set of shots were given by me ( third shots: the vaccines/needle/instructions how to give were provided to me by her regular vet ).
the microchipping vet asked if she was current on her shots, to which I replied yes and told them the above. They, in turn, said we won't see her again unless she has duplicate shots because they don't recognize the shots given by me. (no problem, I'm not planning on taking her back/was only there for microchipping) I asked if they were concerned about over-vaccinating. They said, "oh no, they can have those shots over and over again - that's what we do with strays, they could have a set of shots every month without a problem"
Now hearing that I'm thinking maybe they are just saying that in case there ever is a problem they'd blame the problem on something else.
I don't agree with them, but I'm not a vet...what do you think of this?
That I do not agree with at all. You can not vaccinate a dog every month and expect no problems, seriously?! a vet said that! Of course they never want to blame vaccines for anything- I had a cat growing up who was diagnosed with "injection site sarcoma" and they STILL tried to blame other things as "predisposing factors".
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Yeah, kinda shocked me too. It was VCA - I went there for the microchipping because I had just registered Izzy and had the AKC "free" coupon, plus the microchip (HomeAgain) was the least expensive in town. I wasn't too impressed with their (what I feel) nonsense regarding vaccines.
That's why I really dislike "chain" vets (they have more overhead, corporate offices to pay for) and are always on the look out for another dollar - which due to their expenses I understand that but not when covering those expenses puts animals at risk...even if it is slight.
I'm sure their accountant figured it out...make x amount vaccinating against the one or two animals they "might" get sued for...they're coming out ahead one can bet on that. After all they're "experts" and covered their tails by saying yours was "pre-disposed" and in a lawsuit they'd probably win.
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I like to separate vaccines by at least 4 weeks. DHPP one month, Rabies the next. Bordatella if needed the next,Lepto if needed the next month. At least until they make a vaccine that is dosed by the weight of the dog.

Have you read this article: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/die...ml#post3519563

May help you make your decisions...
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The only "non core" vaccine we do is bordatella. We frequent dog parks, pet stores, and are around way too many other dogs for us not to get it. The few times I let the vaccine lapse, he got kennel cough (twice) and it's just annoying, so I'd rather have him get the squirt up his nose every year.
Brit, Jackson gets the nasal bordatella vaccine? I keep Levi current on bordatella because we are all over the place, but he has always gotten the injection. Our vet has mentioned the nasal one, but gives him the shot instead...do you know the pros and cons of nasal versus shot? Just out of curiosity. Vet may have mentioned them the last time, but I don't remember.
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I like to separate vaccines by at least 4 weeks. DHPP one month, Rabies the next. Bordatella if needed the next,Lepto if needed the next month. At least until they make a vaccine that is dosed by the weight of the dog.

Have you read this article: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/die...ml#post3519563

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I have read that article... in fact that is the article that got me thinking but it confused me too. Basically what I understood not to over vaccinate or even vaccinate at all. (Sorry, I am still trying to "get it") Is vaccinating every 3 years to much?

So.. what I am thinking is for me right now is do her 1 yr boosters and then stop?? And then just continue with Rabies and Bordatella.. If I was to stop those would be the only 2 I would do..

But.. I don't know what I will do..I am going to do her 1 yr boosters/ Rabies and then decide.. What do you do for yours?
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I like to separate vaccines by at least 4 weeks. DHPP one month, Rabies the next. Bordatella if needed the next,Lepto if needed the next month. At least until they make a vaccine that is dosed by the weight of the dog.

Have you read this article: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/die...ml#post3519563

May help you make your decisions...

I did read an article (don't know if it was that one) regarding not over-vaccinating...
Times are different that's for sure. Makes you wonder what the right thing to do really is. When I was growing up apparently our family never had our dogs vaccinated and they all lived to a ripe old age.
All the dogs I had previous to the Yorkies got their first set of shots and that was it, all died of old age. But that was 'country/small town living' - vets didn't think multiple shots were necessary. 'get 'em through puppyhood and they'll be good to go' was the attitude by vets then and there.
Our regular vet said the first three set were the most important + rabies (but he says that's just to spare your dog being quarantined in the event of biting someone as the likelihood of actually getting rabies is so small)
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I have read that article... in fact that is the article that got me thinking but it confused me too. Basically what I understood not to over vaccinate or even vaccinate at all. (Sorry, I am still trying to "get it") Is vaccinating every 3 years to much?

So.. what I am thinking is for me right now is do her 1 yr boosters and then stop?? And then just continue with Rabies and Bordatella.. If I was to stop those would be the only 2 I would do..

But.. I don't know what I will do..I am going to do her 1 yr boosters/ Rabies and then decide.. What do you do for yours?
Basically, every pup needs the puppy series and 2 Rabies vaccines within the first year to develop immunity.
Then I follow the law in my state with Rabies. I am dropping the DHPP bc in my case (older dogs) mine are immune for life. I also won't vaccinate for anything that is treatable, ie: Lymes, Lepto, Bordatello, Dog Flu, Dental vaccine, Giardia etc. Most of these are just too new on the marketplace. Once they have real life statistics behind them or have been recalled, I may reconsider. Of course, not having some vaccines will keep you out of some places, but it's not worth the risks to me.

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I did read an article (don't know if it was that one) regarding not over-vaccinating...
Times are different that's for sure. Makes you wonder what the right thing to do really is. When I was growing up apparently our family never had our dogs vaccinated and they all lived to a ripe old age.
All the dogs I had previous to the Yorkies got their first set of shots and that was it, all died of old age. But that was 'country/small town living' - vets didn't think multiple shots were necessary. 'get 'em through puppyhood and they'll be good to go' was the attitude by vets then and there.
Our regular vet said the first three set were the most important + rabies (but he says that's just to spare your dog being quarantined in the event of biting someone as the likelihood of actually getting rabies is so small)
Rabies is more common in some areas than others. I do feel it is an important vaccination, as is DHPP. But, once immunity is established, more vaccinations do not increase that immunity, in fact, that immunity renders any subsequent vaccinations inactive. Inactive in the sense that they do nothing to increase a dogs protection, not that they do nothing to the dog. The immune system still kicks in and goes to work eliminating the new vaccine.

(The really scary thing is that this research was done in 2004 & 2006)
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