My baby Jazi has obstruction in esophagus.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Yup, first line is to scope. It is best to do that for foreign bodies in the stomach too. But sooooo many vets still cut instead. So I don't think cutting first is a major deviation from standard of care.

Now if vet cut esophagus open, that would be risky for generalist to do and would change the situation. But trying to pull something into the stomach sounds fair. I saw somebody said the vet knew this was risky. I'm guessing risky isn't the word. The vet probably just wasn't sure if it would work.

We are lucky to have endoscopy onsite here. It is possible for cats and small dogs, but a small breed pup is so tiny. fitting a scope in there would have to be a challenge anyway.

From somebody who loves endo, I'd still let my dog's stomach be cut in a similar situation if needed.

I agree about pet insurance.
She said she doesn't have credit though, so no way to pay before reimbursement.

In my world it is a deviation from it, especially when the vet is telling me I should have it scoped.

Wow..there are no insurance plans that will pay quickly or guarantee payment directly to a vet? That's sad if so.

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

In my world it is a deviation from it, especially when the vet is telling me I should have it scoped.

Wow..there are no insurance plans that will pay quickly or guarantee payment directly to a vet? That's sad if so.

No. the only way around it is if your vet will print a receipt saying the bill is paid in full before it is.

I think the problem is that people would wait to pay the get, get the insurance miney, then still nt use it to pay get...

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

No. the only way around it is if your vet will print a receipt saying the bill is paid in full before it is.

I think the problem is that people would wait to pay the get, get the insurance miney, then still nt use it to pay get...

That's a shame.

[chachi]

Im glad Jazzy is home and doing well that must be such a relief to you

[Patti]

Happy to hear Jazi is doing better. If at all possible maybe you can get insurance for her.

[Topazie]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Yup, first line is to scope. It is best to do that for foreign bodies in the stomach too. But sooooo many vets still cut instead. So I don't think cutting first is a major deviation from standard of care.

Now if vet cut esophagus open, that would be risky for generalist to do and would change the situation. But trying to pull something into the stomach sounds fair. I saw somebody said the vet knew this was risky. I'm guessing risky isn't the word. The vet probably just wasn't sure if it would work.

We are lucky to have endoscopy onsite here. It is possible for cats and small dogs, but a small breed pup is so tiny. fitting a scope in there would have to be a challenge anyway.

From somebody who loves endo, I'd still let my dog's stomach be cut in a similar situation if needed.

I agree about pet insurance.
She said she doesn't have credit though, so no way to pay before reimbursement.

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Yup, first line is to scope. It is best to do that for foreign bodies in the stomach too. But sooooo many vets still cut instead. So I don't think cutting first is a major deviation from standard of care.

Now if vet cut esophagus open, that would be risky for generalist to do and would change the situation. But trying to pull something into the stomach sounds fair. I saw somebody said the vet knew this was risky. I'm guessing risky isn't the word. The vet probably just wasn't sure if it would work.

We are lucky to have endoscopy onsite here. It is possible for cats and small dogs, but a small breed pup is so tiny. fitting a scope in there would have to be a challenge anyway.

From somebody who loves endo, I'd still let my dog's stomach be cut in a similar situation if needed.

I agree about pet insurance.
She said she doesn't have credit though, so no way to pay before reimbursement.

Thank you for your support and understanding! You are right, I may have said that the vet said it was risky but when i think back it is possible that she was actually saying that she was uncertain that it would work. I was such a nervous wreck I am surprised I understood anything.

I have had many pets and have always taken care of them even choosing to care for them before myself but I have always managed. I have never purchased insurance and really never knew anything about it. Having people telling me how much money I should have in savings and that I should have insurance at the moment I had a puppy in crisis was not any help. Even if I had purchased insurance right then and there it would not have done any good right then. Planning on putting money away for a crisis would not put the money in my pocket for this crisis! Sure you say you wanted to give advice so I wouldn't be in that situation again...why not let me get through that crisis first, then share your opinions of what things work for you. Not put me down. because I did not do it your way in the first place.

My spare money and credit had just gotten eaten up by many unforseen things at once. I did not plan on being stuck with no money to fall back on. Don't get me wrong, i don't have a lot of money but I always try to make sure I have spare money and credit for ANY emergency. Unfortunately quite a few things happened around the same time that took that buffer away at the most inopportune time. Buying one puppy, then having medical bills trying to save it, buying a second puppy, and having my main car needing major repairs are all just a few of the things that have hit at once, leaving me with not much to work with. But I was still determined to get my Jazi help. Luckily my vet is a very good, talented and kind vet and far from incompetent! We talked about the options, she explained what she could do what the risks were and what other options I had and what those risks were. We then made a decision based on the circumstances as to which option gave Jazi the best chance for a good recovery. I told her to do what she felt was the best for Jazi as I know her to be a good caring person that really loves animals. She is not one of those vets that are just out to make as much money as she can. She does a lot of volunteering to help animals and she is always taking in strays and helping them and finding them homes or keeping them if she can't find them a suitable home. I knew she would take good care of Jazi! And she did!

Jazi is doing great today! She greeted me by standing on her hind legs on the pen gate, whining, barking and wagging her tail, wanting me to pick her up! When I did, she wouldn't stop kissing me, my face, my neck, my ears! I could hardly hold her still she was so excited and so energetic! She still has a cough but it is a lot better than yesterday. Her incision is healing nicely, no redness or swelling. I am very happy with her progress and will never be able to thank my vet enough for all she has done. Thank you all for the prayers that have gotten her through this.

Topazie

[Topazie]

Originally Posted by chachi

Im glad Jazzy is home and doing well that must be such a relief to you

Thank you! Yes it is a big relief to me. It makes me so happy when I see her sweet little face looking up at me waiting for me to pick her up and snuggle with her.

[Topazie]

Originally Posted by dawn27

Anyone who feels that their vet is subpar or inadequate in preforming their duty's or is willing to perform a procedure that they are not qualified to do should look elsewhere for a more qualified vet. Its as simple as that . . our babies deserve the best possible care that we can provide for them!

My vet is not subpar or inadequate in preforming her duties and was not doing surgery that she was not qualified to do. She has operated on the bellies of many animals with much success. That is why I trusted her to take care of my baby.

All surgery is risky and that stuck in my head and scared me. I am sure any of you would feel the same way with any surgery no matter who the doctor was.

[wemple2]

Good to hear your Jazi is doing so well, continued prayers for a full recovery, in the mean time, enjoy all those thankful kisses you're getting!

[ladyjane]

You know, I try really hard to be patient but sometimes people say things that I cannot leave unaddressed.

You lost one dog and then got another when you knew you had no money. Nothing unforseen about it....you knew if this one got sick you would not have money. Not saying you are bad.....nothing like that at all. Just calling it like it is. That is me and how I do things...if you were a friend or even my child I would say it the same way. It is what it is.

You say that someone (I am assuming me) put you down? No...I simply asked you to think about solutions rather than burying yourself more than you already have. I have had others act this way with me. Just because I say things in whatever way I say them, is not calling the person anything. I get a bit tired of people putting thoughts into my brain. I was merely trying to help you see that you need to find a way to handle such emergencies. But..you still want to hang on to those feelings about what I said and how I made you feel...I made you feel nothing...you feel it for whatever reason you feel it. Own it and stop blaming me for it.

[ladyjane]

I probably won't be back to this thread. It has reached the point that there is really nothing more I can add. I have explained myself quite enough and if you choose to hang on to whatever negativity you can, then so be it. The bottom line is that I did nothing to you and you were terribly ignorant and rude to me. The venom you spewed was over the top imho. It is one thing to say you don't like something someone said and yet another to name call. So....I am quite finished with this. Anyone with a brain can see what happened here.

I made a suggestion and you can do with it what you please or simply ignore it.

As I have from the start, I will continue to pray for Jazi. I am so glad she is ok.

[Topazie]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

You know, I try really hard to be patient but sometimes people say things that I cannot leave unaddressed.

You lost one dog and then got another when you knew you had no money. Nothing unforseen about it....you knew if this one got sick you would not have money. Not saying you are bad.....nothing like that at all. Just calling it like it is. That is me and how I do things...if you were a friend or even my child I would say it the same way. It is what it is.

You say that someone (I am assuming me) put you down? No...I simply asked you to think about solutions rather than burying yourself more than you already have. I have had others act this way with me. Just because I say things in whatever way I say them, is not calling the person anything. I get a bit tired of people putting thoughts into my brain. I was merely trying to help you see that you need to find a way to handle such emergencies. But..you still want to hang on to those feelings about what I said and how I made you feel...I made you feel nothing...you feel it for whatever reason you feel it. Own it and stop blaming me for it.

Originally Posted by ladyjane

You know, I try really hard to be patient but sometimes people say things that I cannot leave unaddressed.

You lost one dog and then got another when you knew you had no money. Nothing unforseen about it....you knew if this one got sick you would not have money. Not saying you are bad.....nothing like that at all. Just calling it like it is. That is me and how I do things...if you were a friend or even my child I would say it the same way. It is what it is.

You say that someone (I am assuming me) put you down? No...I simply asked you to think about solutions rather than burying yourself more than you already have. I have had others act this way with me. Just because I say things in whatever way I say them, is not calling the person anything. I get a bit tired of people putting thoughts into my brain. I was merely trying to help you see that you need to find a way to handle such emergencies. But..you still want to hang on to those feelings about what I said and how I made you feel...I made you feel nothing...you feel it for whatever reason you feel it. Own it and stop blaming me for it.

First of all lets get one thing straight....I did not lose the first puppy because I did not have money for medical care or because she did not get the proper care.

As for getting a second puppy when I did not have money. I knew my financial situation, I knew I could pay for a second puppy and I knew I had money for medical care if need be including shots, checkups and etc. I also know my vet and know that if need be she would let me make payments on any care that my babies need from her. To me there was no question that my babies would be cared for. Unfortunately I did not anticipate an emergency that would require going to another location and paying thousands of dollars. So you think I should not have a yorkie unless i have thousands of dollars put a way for medical. How many thousands? Where do you draw the line. Maybe I should wait till I have two thousand, no maybe I need to wait till I have five thousand, or wait that may not be enough, maybe I will wait till I have ten thousand. Who knows what may happen maybe I might need fifty thousand dollars, I better wait until I have a hundred thousand dollars before I get a yorkie, just in case something happens! Tell me how you draw that line.

I had money for the average medical needs and I had credit at my vets so I was well prepared even though you don't see it that way. Sure if this had happened a month from I would have some money I am expecting and I would be sitting here with quiet a few thousands of dollars in my bank account. Would that make you happier? Would I then make your approval to own a Yorkie?

There are plenty of people who do not have thousands of dollars just sitting around in an account waiting for their baby to get sick but yet they take great care of their babies and manage to get them the care they need when they are sick. Are you saying they shouldn't have their babies because they don't have thousands of dollars laying around? Just how many thousands are you dictating that we should all have if we want to own a yorkie? And if we don't have those thousands we need to find someone who does and give them our baby?!

The average person does not always have thousands of dollars to put away for emergencies but that does not mean that they shouldn't have a yorkie. That doesn't mean they are not going to take care of their baby. Yes I agree there are many people who don't have the money to take care of them and they don't even try, just as there are many people who have thousands of dollars laying around that don't try. Having a large savings account does not mean a yorkie will be taken care of better or loved any more.

I have a two year old yorkie and she is very healthy and gets any and all medical treatment she has needed in the two years that I have had her. She is happy, loved and well cared for. But according to you I shouldn't have had her at all because maybe something would have happened to her and I wouldn't be able to afford the medical bills.

Well, maybe I think you shouldn't have any yorkies unless you have one million dollars for each of them for medical bills, you never know what is going to happen and you need to be responsible and make sure you can pay no matter what. And if you don't have a million dollars available you are being irresponsible and should not have a yorkie!

Come on! Be reasonable! Where is that line? Who are you to set that line? Why should you decide who has enough money to have a yorkie?

You may volunteer to take care of Yorkies that need care and are being mistreated or neglected or not loved and I think that is wonderful! I give credit for that. It is a great thing what you do for those yorkies. But you have no right to tell me that I don't deserve to have a Yorkie because I don't meet your financial requirements. That I should give my babies away. My puppies are well taken care of in my own home, they are kept clean, matt free, go to the groomer, go to the vet, get fed good food, have plenty of warm beds to sleep in, lots of toys, plenty of love and attention and everything else they need, they don't even have to go outside in the rain or snow. They are babied, spoiled and loved a lot, and you think I should not have them because I don't have the amount of money YOU think I should have. Who are you to say how much money I should have?

My Jazi is alive and doing well because my vet took very good care of her. The vet I picked, the vet I had faith in, the vet I knew I could trust with her life because I know she is that good and competent! Who are you to tell me I am wrong because I did not take her to another vet? Maybe she would have died on her way there, maybe she would have died when they put that scope down her throat. My vet and I made the best decision we could for her and turns out we made the right one. Who are you to tell me I made the wrong one?

I have heard you know a lot about Yorkies, that is wonderful. I have heard you share your knowledge, that is fantastic, but you need to do something about you bedside manner. It doesn't fit with the nice things that are said about you. Like I said before, a lot more people will listen to your advice if they feel you are trying to be friendly not critical.

[Topazie]

Originally Posted by Patti

Happy to hear Jazi is doing better. If at all possible maybe you can get insurance for her.

I am thinking about it because she is going to be a handful. She is nothing like my Mia. I can just see Jazi getting into as much trouble as she can all the time. That insurance may come in handy. I have never checked into it so have no idea how much it costs or what it covers or who sells it. But I am thinking about it.

[kjc]

Originally Posted by Topazie

I am thinking about it because she is going to be a handful. She is nothing like my Mia. I can just see Jazi getting into as much trouble as she can all the time. That insurance may come in handy. I have never checked into it so have no idea how much it costs or what it covers or who sells it. But I am thinking about it.

Glad Jazi is on the mend! You may want to start here (re: insurance): http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/die...rifaj-dvm.html

[107barney]

Originally Posted by Topazie

First of all lets get one thing straight....I did not lose the first puppy because I did not have money for medical care or because she did not get the proper care.

As for getting a second puppy when I did not have money. I knew my financial situation, I knew I could pay for a second puppy and I knew I had money for medical care if need be including shots, checkups and etc. I also know my vet and know that if need be she would let me make payments on any care that my babies need from her. To me there was no question that my babies would be cared for. Unfortunately I did not anticipate an emergency that would require going to another location and paying thousands of dollars. So you think I should not have a yorkie unless i have thousands of dollars put a way for medical. How many thousands? Where do you draw the line. Maybe I should wait till I have two thousand, no maybe I need to wait till I have five thousand, or wait that may not be enough, maybe I will wait till I have ten thousand. Who knows what may happen maybe I might need fifty thousand dollars, I better wait until I have a hundred thousand dollars before I get a yorkie, just in case something happens! Tell me how you draw that line.

I had money for the average medical needs and I had credit at my vets so I was well prepared even though you don't see it that way. Sure if this had happened a month from I would have some money I am expecting and I would be sitting here with quiet a few thousands of dollars in my bank account. Would that make you happier? Would I then make your approval to own a Yorkie?

There are plenty of people who do not have thousands of dollars just sitting around in an account waiting for their baby to get sick but yet they take great care of their babies and manage to get them the care they need when they are sick. Are you saying they shouldn't have their babies because they don't have thousands of dollars laying around? Just how many thousands are you dictating that we should all have if we want to own a yorkie? And if we don't have those thousands we need to find someone who does and give them our baby?!

The average person does not always have thousands of dollars to put away for emergencies but that does not mean that they shouldn't have a yorkie. That doesn't mean they are not going to take care of their baby. Yes I agree there are many people who don't have the money to take care of them and they don't even try, just as there are many people who have thousands of dollars laying around that don't try. Having a large savings account does not mean a yorkie will be taken care of better or loved any more.

I have a two year old yorkie and she is very healthy and gets any and all medical treatment she has needed in the two years that I have had her. She is happy, loved and well cared for. But according to you I shouldn't have had her at all because maybe something would have happened to her and I wouldn't be able to afford the medical bills.

Well, maybe I think you shouldn't have any yorkies unless you have one million dollars for each of them for medical bills, you never know what is going to happen and you need to be responsible and make sure you can pay no matter what. And if you don't have a million dollars available you are being irresponsible and should not have a yorkie!

Come on! Be reasonable! Where is that line? Who are you to set that line? Why should you decide who has enough money to have a yorkie?

You may volunteer to take care of Yorkies that need care and are being mistreated or neglected or not loved and I think that is wonderful! I give credit for that. It is a great thing what you do for those yorkies. But you have no right to tell me that I don't deserve to have a Yorkie because I don't meet your financial requirements. That I should give my babies away. My puppies are well taken care of in my own home, they are kept clean, matt free, go to the groomer, go to the vet, get fed good food, have plenty of warm beds to sleep in, lots of toys, plenty of love and attention and everything else they need, they don't even have to go outside in the rain or snow. They are babied, spoiled and loved a lot, and you think I should not have them because I don't have the amount of money YOU think I should have. Who are you to say how much money I should have?

My Jazi is alive and doing well because my vet took very good care of her. The vet I picked, the vet I had faith in, the vet I knew I could trust with her life because I know she is that good and competent! Who are you to tell me I am wrong because I did not take her to another vet? Maybe she would have died on her way there, maybe she would have died when they put that scope down her throat. My vet and I made the best decision we could for her and turns out we made the right one. Who are you to tell me I made the wrong one?

I have heard you know a lot about Yorkies, that is wonderful. I have heard you share your knowledge, that is fantastic, but you need to do something about you bedside manner. It doesn't fit with the nice things that are said about you. Like I said before, a lot more people will listen to your advice if they feel you are trying to be friendly not critical.

And YOU need to clean up YOUR bedside manner! You are doing the same thing you are accusing LJ of doing! She's not going to change to rubber stamp you or the few others who are cut of a different cloth when it comes to dogs. You did the best for your dog with your lack of funds. I'm not impressed. You came to a dog forum and you'll get all kinda of opinions. Don't cry over the ones you don't like or blame others for your choices. You or no one an explanation just as no one owes you a rubber stamp!