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Old 08-19-2013, 07:20 AM   #46
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I am glad Jazi is doing better. I am sorry you feel you have to leave because of some of the harsh comments. YT should be a place people can come and learn and get support. I love YT but have limited my posting due to some negative comments. I have enough sadness to deal with in my "real life" I don't need people I have never met making me feel worse than I already do. I think most of us that come here have only the best intentions for our babies. I have been fortunate that I have insurance on my 3 but even with that I have paid thousands of thousands of dollars in vet bills. Fortunately I was able to afford it. Since my husbands death last year my financial situation has changed drastically and while I have a special fund for my yorkies bills not everyone does. I hope you reconsider as there are many more of us that care about yorkies and there owners as well.
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Old 08-19-2013, 10:25 AM   #47
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I know what you all mean. I have a hard time here as well. It is so difficult for me to comprehend that people act like everyone is supposed to say *YAY* you are a "great mommy" when things are being done that contradict it. Not referring in this last sentence to the op....just commenting on how some people think things are supposed to go. A person can come here and say they left their pup unattended by the pool and it drowned.... and everyone is so sorry for the person...what about the pup? Just an off the wall example, but some people here will totally understand what I am saying. People come here and post and everyone is supposed to (according to some) lie through their teeth and act like everything is right when they know it is not. I do my best to be as tactful as I can, but if I see something that can be improved upon, I am going to say it. Call it harsh, call it whatever you want, but rest assured that all I am trying to do is help a pup who has NO choice in what happens to him/her.

I really hate to see animals suffer when it could be avoided.

So...we all just simply need to learn to agree to disagree.
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Old 08-19-2013, 10:38 AM   #48
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I know what you all mean. I have a hard time here as well. It is so difficult for me to comprehend that people act like everyone is supposed to say *YAY* you are a "great mommy" when things are being done that contradict it. Not referring in this last sentence to the op....just commenting on how some people think things are supposed to go. A person can come here and say they left their pup unattended by the pool and it drowned.... and everyone is so sorry for the person...what about the pup? Just an off the wall example, but some people here will totally understand what I am saying. People come here and post and everyone is supposed to (according to some) lie through their teeth and act like everything is right when they know it is not. I do my best to be as tactful as I can, but if I see something that can be improved upon, I am going to say it. Call it harsh, call it whatever you want, but rest assured that all I am trying to do is help a pup who has NO choice in what happens to him/her.

I really hate to see animals suffer when it could be avoided.

So...we all just simply need to learn to agree to disagree.
I 100% agree with you and get what you saying. Personally I don't think you said anything wrong or bad. Someone has to be a voice for those who have none.
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Old 08-19-2013, 11:27 AM   #49
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As I read this entire post, it made my heart hurt for this little baby. In the first post, the OP said she drove her car to the vet, but then followed by saying that she had no way to get the little one anywhere to have the endoscopy done. She then stated there wasn't time, but there was a 6 hour lag between the time the baby was diagnosed with an obstruction and the time her vet performed the surgery they both seemed to think was ill advised. I know what it's like to have sick babies and to do whatever it takes to get the care they need. If I didn't think I could care for them properly and responsibly, I think I'd have to give them up. It would absolutely break my heart, but it would break my heart more to hear one of mine "cry like a human baby", and not be able to do the right thing for them. Please understand, Topazie, no one is calling you names or trying to make you feel bad, I'm only trying to point out the obvious. Accidents do happen to all of us, and Yorkies are a breed with lots of health problems; if you're not prepared financially, you'll find yourself in this same situation again. It may make you feel bad, but it make cost an innocent Yorkie their precious little life. For the record, Ladyjane is one of the few people that I know who truly puts her money where her mouth is...she is neither dollar rich, nor is she a snob. What I will say is that she's rich in knowledge and compassion when it comes to these little Yorkies, and fiercely protective - there's no one that knows more or who is more willing to help....I hope little Jazi recovers without incidence and lives a long and healthy life, she is a precious little thing.
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I re-read all the posts...saw absolutely nothing from anyone that attacked the op or insinuated anything inappropriate. I love that this forum provides not only all the warm and fuzzy feelings, but also has the capabilities to actually educate and inform people about their pets, and choices they may have made or could consider making. Both "warm and fuzzy" and "educational" are necessary to make this a balanced forum. As long as there are no malicious, vindictive, hateful attacks made towards the op, I feel strongly that members should refrain from attacking one another for their posts. If a person reads a post and knows full well what they are reading is not in the best interest of the pup, for them to clamp their mouth shut and smile and say nothing that could help redirect the direction the op is taking, provide options or alternatives or suggestions, is missing an opportunity to provide a voice for the pup that is in trouble. Having re-read the posts, there was NOTHING said that could have been taken as offensive or derogatory or mean towards the op. Sometimes, ANYTHING that is said, that is not EXACTLY what an individual wants to hear, will be taken the wrong way and misconstrued. No one has any control over how an op thinks or reads........ Then to compound the situation, members will align themselves with the offended poster, and instead of attempting to get the poster to perhaps actually see the advantage of options presented, they will add fuel to the fire by chastizing members whose only offense was to help the op with a situation they had no idea how to resolve. I do not see that ever changing, as it never has. Fortunately for our pets, there are many, many more posters who come lost and confused and desperate for help, and they take advise and suggestions in the spirit they were meant to be given, and take no offense from them, even if it is not what they want to hear....they learn from posts and they do not run away, but choose to stay and learn, and they are better for it, as are their pups.
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Not only is ladyjane not wealthy but she is getting more poor every year. She once said "I'd sell my house and live in a tent for my dogs" -- she might actually have to one day! But I guarantee you that that would happen before she allowed a vet to do a blunt esophageal dissection on a young puppy. It's all about choices. Go ahead call me a snob too, I've been called worse and by people who mattered so I'm thick skinned. I'll pray for your pup OP.
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I re-read all the posts...saw absolutely nothing from anyone that attacked the op or insinuated anything inappropriate. I love that this forum provides not only all the warm and fuzzy feelings, but also has the capabilities to actually educate and inform people about their pets, and choices they may have made or could consider making. Both "warm and fuzzy" and "educational" are necessary to make this a balanced forum. As long as there are no malicious, vindictive, hateful attacks made towards the op, I feel strongly that members should refrain from attacking one another for their posts. If a person reads a post and knows full well what they are reading is not in the best interest of the pup, for them to clamp their mouth shut and smile and say nothing that could help redirect the direction the op is taking, provide options or alternatives or suggestions, is missing an opportunity to provide a voice for the pup that is in trouble. Having re-read the posts, there was NOTHING said that could have been taken as offensive or derogatory or mean towards the op. Sometimes, ANYTHING that is said, that is not EXACTLY what an individual wants to hear, will be taken the wrong way and misconstrued. No one has any control over how an op thinks or reads........ Then to compound the situation, members will align themselves with the offended poster, and instead of attempting to get the poster to perhaps actually see the advantage of options presented, they will add fuel to the fire by chastizing members whose only offense was to help the op with a situation they had no idea how to resolve. I do not see that ever changing, as it never has. Fortunately for our pets, there are many, many more posters who come lost and confused and desperate for help, and they take advise and suggestions in the spirit they were meant to be given, and take no offense from them, even if it is not what they want to hear....they learn from posts and they do not run away, but choose to stay and learn, and they are better for it, as are their pups.
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Not only is ladyjane not wealthy but she is getting more poor every year. She once said "I'd sell my house and live in a tent for my dogs" -- she might actually have to one day! But I guarantee you that that would happen before she allowed a vet to do a blunt esophageal dissection on a young puppy. It's all about choices. Go ahead call me a snob too, I've been called worse and by people who mattered so I'm thick skinned. I'll pray for your pup OP.
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I re-read all the posts...saw absolutely nothing from anyone that attacked the op or insinuated anything inappropriate. I love that this forum provides not only all the warm and fuzzy feelings, but also has the capabilities to actually educate and inform people about their pets, and choices they may have made or could consider making. Both "warm and fuzzy" and "educational" are necessary to make this a balanced forum. As long as there are no malicious, vindictive, hateful attacks made towards the op, I feel strongly that members should refrain from attacking one another for their posts. If a person reads a post and knows full well what they are reading is not in the best interest of the pup, for them to clamp their mouth shut and smile and say nothing that could help redirect the direction the op is taking, provide options or alternatives or suggestions, is missing an opportunity to provide a voice for the pup that is in trouble. Having re-read the posts, there was NOTHING said that could have been taken as offensive or derogatory or mean towards the op. Sometimes, ANYTHING that is said, that is not EXACTLY what an individual wants to hear, will be taken the wrong way and misconstrued. No one has any control over how an op thinks or reads........ Then to compound the situation, members will align themselves with the offended poster, and instead of attempting to get the poster to perhaps actually see the advantage of options presented, they will add fuel to the fire by chastizing members whose only offense was to help the op with a situation they had no idea how to resolve. I do not see that ever changing, as it never has. Fortunately for our pets, there are many, many more posters who come lost and confused and desperate for help, and they take advise and suggestions in the spirit they were meant to be given, and take no offense from them, even if it is not what they want to hear....they learn from posts and they do not run away, but choose to stay and learn, and they are better for it, as are their pups.


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the surgery you had done was very risky im glad your pup came through it okay. Im just glad this baby wasnt put to sleep oxer an obstruction. I dont think anyone is trying to be mean they are just trying to point out you were very lucky this time and you need to get in a better position to handle emergencies. If you are being honest with yourself you have to admit that is true
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I don't think we should be taking any sides at all. I do hope the OP comes back and we can give her as much support as needed. It breaks my heart that she had to go through this issue. Everyone has the right to their own opinion and we should recognize that, but lets focus on the emotional support that we can give to a fellow puppy lover
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Jazi is home and doing well. She still has a cough from aspirating when she vomited. She is on antibiotics. She is eating and drinking well. She is weak but she is able to walk around and she is wagging her tail and giving kissies

I am not going to get into a long drawn out discussion but I will make these points. The vet did not cut into her asophagus. I had transportation but it was an unreliable spare car that would not make a trip of hundreds of miles. My main car was in the shop and not available to use. If the car broke down on the way she would not have gotten any help. If I could have driven somewhere else there would have been no one to help with her if things got worse or to keep her comfortable. The vet was taking ex rays and monitoring Jazi while keeping her comfortable and hydrated while waiting to see if the obstruction was working its way down. When she did not see enough progress she operated. She did a great job and saved my baby's life.

I agree,there is nothing wrong with giving advice, but at the right time. Yes if giving advice at that time will help with the current crisis, wonderful. If your advice is not going to help the current situation and all it is going to do is put some one down or make them feel worse, hold your tongue until the crisis has past. Don't make people feel worse when it is going to do no good with that crisis. That is cruel and does no one any good, not even the baby. All you do is upset the Momma and close off communication and then that person will not be open to some good advice that may help the baby in the future. People may only be trying to help the baby but they need to keep in mind that no matter how you feel about the Momma, you need to get the Momma to listen to your advice for it to help the baby. Making her feel worse in the middle of crisis won't do that.

Thank you to all the people who prayed for my baby Jazi. Please continue to pray for her so her lungs clear and she gets her strength back quickly. Thank you, Topazie

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I am very happy to hear that Jazi is doing better.

You said your vet does not have a scope, so she operated....that means cutting to me. I hope it is true she did not cut it, but it makes no sense to me. My problem with cutting into the espophagus is that Jazi could have some serious complications even later such as strictures.

At any rate, thanks for updating and letting us know she is doing well.
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