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Old 05-19-2009, 04:42 PM   #31
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It's very heartbreaking to hear that you are having so many issues with your new puppy. Have you called the breeder?

I would certainly ask the vet to do a culture and analyze the mucus. Blood work would be something to get done as well.
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If the vet thinks it's a FB then he probably needs sergury. You need to ask the vet how much that would be. I just had to have the end of a baby bottle nipple removed from my cats intestines and it cost me $700.00 so I know thats a chunk but I thought it was reasonable. And you can bet I will not be letting that happen again.
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Old 05-19-2009, 08:17 PM   #33
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Hi. Is this the same vet?

[QUOTE=KiKiVo;2629277]OK went to the vet again today after he started having the attacks again today just like clock work. We were pretty much able to determine it is probably not his nose. We could squeeze his belly and get the "sneezing" fits to happen. I actually think it is fluid from his stomach coming up into his nose. I went ahead did some X-Rays and they were able to see everything down to stomach was fine but some blockage down in the intestines and they were quite irritated. Of course, they said nothing obvious they could see from X Ray so ultrasound would be an additional $500... I said no, of course. This would also be a waste of money that would be better spent on the surgery, as he may need it anyway.
They are giving him Sucralfate to make his stomach feel better and recommend Metronidazole but that one is expensive. (Bulls**t, it's one of the oldest drugs on the market, aka: Flagyl .Call a people Pharmacy for a price, ask your vet(?) for a prescription and remind him he's treating a Yorkie, not a freaking Saint Bernard, even expensive drugs are affordable for Yorkies cause they don't need much. I have some on hand I'll mail you if this doesn't work)Metronidazole is an antibiotic used to kill intestinal parasites (giardia) and bacterial infections and they said it could help with the inflammation. (Hopefully, decreasing the inflamation may help it to move along.) They were going to give me Panacur but said they could not because it looks like it could be a partial FB obstruction which would make his condition worse if they gave him that. He is pooping every day but they were concerned about its black "tar" like consistency, a sign that blood may be present.(FB may be sharp=Surgical removal, or intestines irritated and bleeding)
Of course they were asking for $150 blood tests (Metronidazole can alter liver enzymes, probably ok to do a CBC) as well but I not ready for that either. Because of his weakness and health they would NOT give him his Bordetella, which he has never had, a 4th Distemper shot and a rabies shot. (I agree, wait till he's better)Of course he is running around now but 2-3 days from now he will be on death's door again.
Any idea if the Metronidazole is worth the expense?(How much are they asking for it?)[/QUOTE]
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Old 05-19-2009, 08:33 PM   #34
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The Metronidazole is $55. They sent me to the pharmacy compounder because the amount is so tiny that the dog needs that it has to be specially created and probably costs extra.
Alter liver enzymes? Yorkies already have bad livers this does not sound like it is worth it to me particularly since they said if I give the wrong amount he will go into convulsions and paralysis.
I would agree $700 sounds pretty cheap for any kind of surgery. My pet insurance 30 day wait period ends at the beginning of June but max benefit per incident is $500, $100 deductable and 20% co-pay.
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Wow that's pretty pricy for Metronidazole, Even for a st bernard. Where the heck are you located? I'm willing to house you if you want to come bring him to my vet. I LOVE HIM ! and he's soooooooooooooo carefull with these little ones
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Old 05-19-2009, 09:19 PM   #36
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The Metronidazole is $55. They sent me to the pharmacy compounder because the amount is so tiny that the dog needs that it has to be specially created and probably costs extra.(It comes in liquid form too, ask if your vet has it on hand, or find a reptile vet, they keep it on hand)
Alter liver enzymes? only while they're taking the drug ... Yorkies already have bad livers not all Yorkies have bad livers, the breed has a predisposition to have Liver shunt dx, so if the parents didn't have problems, their pups should be okay too.this does not sound like it is worth it to me particularly since they said if I give the wrong amount he will go into convulsions and paralysis.(Convulsion is a possible side effect, I haven't heard of it causing paralysis) My dog weighs 6.2lbs. and takes 1/4 250mg tab 2X Day. He's never had any side effects.Your pup would take 1/8 of a tab. If a pill is splitable (scored on one side) it means that the active ingredient is equally distributed throughout the pill. I think this would be safe for your pup.
I would agree $700 sounds pretty cheap for any kind of surgery. My pet insurance 30 day wait period ends at the beginning of June but max benefit per incident is $500, $100 deductable and 20% co-pay.
Hope this helps .....
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As kjc said if the FB is sharp or even if it isnt I'm surprised he has not developed a serious infection or Peritonitis. I just did mapquest and I think you are only about 6 hrs from me.
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I really don't care for this vet. I feel like he's trying to sell you everything instead of doing what's best for the pup. Making you afraid of dosing the Metronidazole, if it wasn't safe, my pup wouldn't be taking it. An ultrasound is nice, but is it really necessary? You know there's an obstruction from the xray, what's he need, a detailed road map? What will a better picture of it provide him? Most times, you don't really find out the cause until after it's removed and you pull it apart and find something stupid, like a piece of a toy or something like that.

At least, thank God you got a diagnosis!
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I TOTALLY agree with Kjc , Makes me wonder if he wants to buy a new boat or something, Huh. I think he's trying to screw you without any foreplay.
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Old 05-20-2009, 05:33 AM   #40
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Maybe there's a Washington State YTer out there who could recommend a good little dog vet? Some vets just really don't care to work on small dogs. Another idea might be to tell the vet that this is a rescued dog, bc basically he is, as you didn't pick the healthiest pup available (as previously posted). Might get his head out of the cash register and onto saving a life....
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Kjc has a good idea about telling he is a rescue , also if you can find a rescue in your area you could contact them and maybe go through them. I did that once with a dog I have now. I rescued her and she needed about $3000.00 worth of treatment. I got it done through the rescue for $370.00. They put her in their name at the vet they use and then I paid them. That same vet would have charged $3000.00 had I taken her to them, but they greatly cut costs for the rescue group. Any way my offer still stands, I will let you stay with me if you want to come to Lewiston ID, and bring him to my vet. I just spoke with the tech and she said the same thing as Kjc , You need to get a second opinion. And if they can see a blockage in there it's pointless for any more pictures. They need to go in and check it out. She also said the vet would probably not even charge you as much as he did for my cat. I'm going to call back when the DR. gets in and talk to him about it. The Tech said you need a second opinion and you need to take the X-ray and all blood work results also a list of all meds he has been on when you go . Also if for any reason he needs to go to WSU its only about 35 min from me.

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Ok It would be between $700.00 and about $1000.00 depending what it is and how much damage it may have caused because it's been there so long. But whatever it is it needs to be taken care of ASAP before it does any more damage. So I would'nt wait another minute to do something about it before you lose this little guy. Ask around, some one has got know of a good vet over there. The Tech said , go to petco or a pet store and just start asking customers what vet they use and how they like him/her. And get a second opinion.
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I think I may have overstated by using the word "blockage". The vet would not prescribe a certain drug because it COULD be a blockage and she was unsure. The vet saw his feces backing up but not completely blocked. There was as much feces (if not more) toward his rear end as near his stomach. He has pooped every day for the past three days but not the last 24 hours. This morning he was very energetic and running around like normal or better than normal. It has been almost three weeks since the "sneezing" like symptoms began and he has had about 4 different episodes each spaced a few days apart. We have been force feeding him "people" food but I was able to get him to eat pumpkin today by putting Gerber's meat flavored baby food over it. He did nibble on some normal dry dog food yesterday. I certainly hope this passes. He ate quite a bit yesterday. From chicken, to beef, to yogurt, to cottage cheese, and many other things. I will go pick up the Metronidazole even though $55 sounds high but if this will get him better than I will do it.

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He pooped again today over 36 hours later. It was less tar like but still a bit black. The last few pieces were pretty white which is a sign of too much calcium. I pulled apart the first big piece and could see some long hairs within the stool. I may try some cat hair ball meds and see if that helps. Initially when before this began almost three weeks ago we were visiting someone's house and he began chewing on some cat hair balls which we promptly thought we got out of his mouth.
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Hi. Have an update on your pup?

It sounds like he's partially obstructed. I would be leary of giving him anything to try to get it to move, bc if it was going to move it would have been out by now. I would only be feeding him soft foods so as not to complicate things and cause a larger blockage.
On the xray, was any part of the obstruction in the pup's stomach? If it is, the vet may be able to remove it using an endoscope, it would also allow him to see what was going on.
On the other hand, if they did an exploratory surgery on him, they would be able to check the pup's entire intestine for anything else.
It's been so long now, I pray that more damage hasn't been done to the intestine or stomach.
The white poop you saw may have come from someting the cat ate, puked, then your pup ate it. Did you see your pup eating grass that day? Has he ever thrown up grass during this entire ordeal? Are your friend's cats indoor or outdoor cats? For example: The cat may have ingested a fish hook, and was able to puke it up in a hairball. If you pup ate that, the hook could have snagged on part of his intestine, preventing any further movement.
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