Zimmerman Affidavit of Probable Cause

[QuickSilver]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Since you posted this to me (or, rather, quoted me)...I felt I should follow up.

I think we're saying much of the same thing - bc, yes, I do think the example you used above would be *just* as heinous. I don't see any difference in terms of that. Is that what you're asking me?

I agree, there a zillion crimes we never hear about that are equally as tragic - and it's very sad that we can't give our national attention to each and every victim. Similarly, I'd like every animal cruelty case reported on every station. However, I've sometimes come to appreciate what is in the media (whether human or animal), if something positive can come of it. I don't mean I like what the media often does to a case, how slanted the reporting is -- but, I feel pretty powerless to effect change in that area.

I do believe things stay in the media bc they touch upon something that needs to be discussed.

[Bitsy]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I really want to apologize for hurting you. That was not my intent, but I could see no reason to compare the cases besides the fact that black males were involved. I don’t even think this should be about race, if the kid were white, people would still be outraged. I do think that there wouldn’t be so many willing to defend Zimmerman’s actions. That's the part I'm confused about, why do so many people think what he did was okay, and why shouldn't he have to answer for it in a court of law?

Clearly, you are a wonderful person, giving of your time and energy to people, I really admire you for what you have done, and wish I had chosen my words more carefully. I do think it's different to say "that sounds prejudice" then YOU are prejudiced. To me, they mean two entirely different things, one is addressing a statement that you made and one is judging your character. So I hope you can accept my appology, the thought that I said something that hurts you, hurts me.

You are both wonderful people. I'm glad Nancy wrote this response to you...I hope it can mend your feelings. Hugs to you both.

[bondai]

Anything you want to know about the Trayvon shooting, I for one will be glad when the trial gets going. There is still a chance it won't go to trial..

Search for trayvon

[yorkietalkjilly]

Sorry to drop out a bit. Was bedridden most of yesterday due to this hip & been to doc today for shots into the bursa and S-I joint and now I'm ordered to only sit up for no more than 5 mins. x3 daily and bedrest for 2 weeks with exercises in the bed! I can't think of anything worse other than another surgery. Will catch up a bit later when the throbbing lightens up a bit as the deadening from shot is wearing off.
(why is it when I do spellcheck my fonts get so big sometimes?)

[Ringo1]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Sorry to drop out a bit. Was bedridden most of yesterday due to this hip & been to doc today for shots into the bursa and S-I joint and now I'm ordered to only sit up for no more than 5 mins. x3 daily and bedrest for 2 weeks with exercises in the bed! I can't think of anything worse other than another surgery. Will catch up a bit later when the throbbing lightens up a bit as the deadening from shot is wearing off.
(why is it when I do spellcheck my fonts get so big sometimes?)

Hope you feel better. I don't know about the Fonts!

[LunasMomma]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Sorry to drop out a bit. Was bedridden most of yesterday due to this hip & been to doc today for shots into the bursa and S-I joint and now I'm ordered to only sit up for no more than 5 mins. x3 daily and bedrest for 2 weeks with exercises in the bed! I can't think of anything worse other than another surgery. Will catch up a bit later when the throbbing lightens up a bit as the deadening from shot is wearing off.
(why is it when I do spellcheck my fonts get so big sometimes?)

Ouch I'm sorry that you're hurting. I hope that you are able to get some relief soon.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Sorry to drop out a bit. Was bedridden most of yesterday due to this hip & been to doc today for shots into the bursa and S-I joint and now I'm ordered to only sit up for no more than 5 mins. x3 daily and bedrest for 2 weeks with exercises in the bed! I can't think of anything worse other than another surgery. Will catch up a bit later when the throbbing lightens up a bit as the deadening from shot is wearing off.
(why is it when I do spellcheck my fonts get so big sometimes?)

So sorry hope you feel better soon.

[bondai]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Sorry to drop out a bit. Was bedridden most of yesterday due to this hip & been to doc today for shots into the bursa and S-I joint and now I'm ordered to only sit up for no more than 5 mins. x3 daily and bedrest for 2 weeks with exercises in the bed! I can't think of anything worse other than another surgery. Will catch up a bit later when the throbbing lightens up a bit as the deadening from shot is wearing off.
(why is it when I do spellcheck my fonts get so big sometimes?)

I am so sorry you are not feeling well. I live with chronic pain myself so I can relate. I will offer a prayer for you and hope you get to feeling better. Hang in there.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Oh, of course I accept your apology & so sorry I took so long to respond but sitting up is really quite hard to do right now - feels like fire inside my hip so I've done none since yesterday p.m. until now. I have learned much about Yorkies and dogs, vet medicine in the short time I've been here from you so what you have to say is always important to me. The two cases I was comparing were due to a link on a page with an article about the Trayvon killing, the second case about kind of an opposite situation where a 22 year old black man shot an older Hispanic man of 28 walking his dog and that younger killer hadn't been arrested, but was questioned and let go by police, the writer of the news article stating it was reminiscent of the Martin case except the ethnicity of the killer and victim were reversed. It seemed to me that this case wasn't getting anywhere near the same degree of media & other attention or outage. In my heart of hearts, probably because my parents raised me to not make distinctions that one violent death is more tragic than a seemingly similar one, I still can't; and a society where media and even some leaders does sometimes seem to carry that bias in how they cover news is worrisome. I don't know, in the long run the cases might not have much in common but since there is no overriding coverage on the second case, I don't know more than those few details reported about the Daniel Adkins' shooting. And perhaps the second case will be covered just the same in a few days. But I assure you my feelings about the cases are based on seeming distinctions made about the tragedy of the terrible death of one victim and not the other by the media coverage/public outcry, where I thought both equally heartbreaking, rather than personal racial prejudice. Just the opposite.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Oh, of course I accept your apology & so sorry I took so long to respond but sitting up is really quite hard to do right now - feels like fire inside my hip so I've done none since yesterday p.m. until now. I have learned much about Yorkies and dogs, vet medicine in the short time I've been here from you so what you have to say is always important to me. The two cases I was comparing were due to a link on a page with an article about the Trayvon killing, the second case about kind of an opposite situation where a 22 year old black man shot an older Hispanic man of 28 walking his dog and that younger killer hadn't been arrested, but was questioned and let go by police, the writer of the news article stating it was reminiscent of the Martin case except the ethnicity of the killer and victim were reversed. It seemed to me that this case wasn't getting anywhere near the same degree of media & other attention or outage. In my heart of hearts, probably because my parents raised me to not make distinctions that one violent death is more tragic than a seemingly similar one, I still can't; and a society where media and even some leaders does sometimes seem to carry that bias in how they cover news is worrisome. I don't know, in the long run the cases might not have much in common but since there is no overriding coverage on the second case, I don't know more than those few details reported about the Daniel Adkins' shooting. And perhaps the second case will be covered just the same in a few days. But I assure you my feelings about the cases are based on seeming distinctions made about the tragedy of the terrible death of one victim and not the other by the media coverage/public outcry, where I thought both equally heartbreaking, rather than personal racial prejudice. Just the opposite.

Again I'm very sorry for hurting you. That was not the case linked, I thought you were talking about the case linked. Don't know why the second case hasn't received as much attention. I don't think the amount of attention a case receives is always based on anything important. I really think the news stations are so different from when I was young. I remember thinking; “I wonder what Walter Cronkite thinks about what he's reporting”. Now we don’t have to wonder, newscasters don’t’ report the news they editorialize it and blow it up and exaggerate, for ratings effects. I personally do not think we should decide if Zimmerman is guilty or innocent of breaking the law, at this point, we should only decide if there is enough evidence to bring him to trial. Even a policeman, has to have a hearing when he’s killed someone, it’s not like a policeman can kill someone without answering to someone, and if it’s found at the hearing that he acted irresponsibly he can also be charged with murder. Hope there are no hard feelings.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Again I'm very sorry for hurting you. That was not the case linked, I thought you were talking about the case linked. Don't know why the second case hasn't received as much attention. I don't think the amount of attention a case receives is always based on anything important. I really think the news stations are so different from when I was young. I remember thinking; “I wonder what Walter Cronkite thinks about what he's reporting”. Now we don’t have to wonder, newscasters don’t’ report the news they editorialize it and blow it up and exaggerate, for ratings effects. I personally do not think we should decide if Zimmerman is guilty or innocent of breaking the law, at this point, we should only decide if there is enough evidence to bring him to trial. Even a policeman, has to have a hearing when he’s killed someone, it’s not like a policeman can kill someone without answering to someone, and if it’s found at the hearing that he acted irresponsibly he can also be charged with murder. Hope there are no hard feelings.

None! I so enjoy a thorough discussion of issues where all sides are heard from equally and everybody shares their opinions and thoughts freely and openly.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Lil Sis

I didn't know hispanic was a race... by white do you mean american?

Yes, I think he was a part of a private crime watch. But that still would and could be viewed as having "power"

I'm using those terms in the very same way the U. S. Census Bureau or WhiteHouse.gov uses them. Why in the world would I think white would mean American? What has one to do with another????

In regards to power, I don't think unless he was working for a government-sanctioned entity, he had any true power over another person, save that of his weapon, as is in the case of any killer. And that would be true in my mind if both killer and victim were the same ethnicity or any combination or any gender, religion, sexual orientation and so on. From the stories I have read, he was a self-appointed watchman. But I agree that he would be a power figure if he were acting for police in some activities they sanctioned & set-up guidelines for as to who could join, what activities were set forth, that kind of thing.

[yorkietalkjilly]

And before you ask about why I asked if Mr. Zimmerman was Hispanic and not white, the reason I made the distinction on his ethnicity is the issue of white on black crime had come up as being a cause for the huge outcry of rage against him. I had heard him described as Hispanic and in my memory of history, that race had none of the huge footprint of exploitation of the black race that the white race had/has. I don't recall there being Hispanic ships' captains sailing loads of human cargo from Africa to be sold as slaves, Hispanic Ku Klux Klan members, Hispanic nullified juries when a white man was charged with murder of a black one and yet, despite the great weight of evidence against him, would find him innocent, Hispanic business owners who wouldn't seat black families at their restaurants and so on. There may have been some but I think the majority of enslavement and racism perpetrated on the black(& Hispanic) race(s) has been by the white race. So I was making the ethnic distinction solely for that reason.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Ringo1, LunasMomma, Lovetodream88 & bondai, thank you for your kind & thoughtful words. They mean so much! I am about 5% better today and hope the injections work more along with this boring and awful bedrest and stretching exercises. I haven't had anything stop me in my tracks like the combination of this hip surgery, then the injury and now the post-op bursitis. I'm sitting up longer than allowed tonight so I'm going back to being bored!

[Lil Sis]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

I thought I'd heard he was a private citizen who self-volunteered rather than being a power figure sanctioned by police. I didn't know he was part of an organized program
that gave him any kind of control or power over his neighbors or others. And isn't he Hispanic and not white?

Originally Posted by Lil Sis

I didn't know hispanic was a race... by white do you mean american?

Yes, I think he was a part of a private crime watch. But that still would and could be viewed as having "power"

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

I'm using those terms in the very same way the U. S. Census Bureau or WhiteHouse.gov uses them. Why in the world would I think white would mean American? What has one to do with another????

In regards to power, I don't think unless he was working for a government-sanctioned entity, he had any true power over another person, save that of his weapon, as is in the case of any killer. And that would be true in my mind if both killer and victim were the same ethnicity or any combination or any gender, religion, sexual orientation and so on. From the stories I have read, he was a self-appointed watchman. But I agree that he would be a power figure if he were acting for police in some activities they sanctioned & set-up guidelines for as to who could join, what activities were set forth, that kind of thing.

After living in an area that is predominately hispanic and being referred to as "white" by a person of the same race.but different culture it is just one of my "pet peeves". I took the way you worded it as asking if he was one or the other Hispanic (culture) vs white (race).. at least in my book.

I also disagree that all examples of one race mistreating another race are white. Many other historical evidence of slaves and other events have been by other races. Yes... the Dutch slave traders did bring slave, and yes the WHITE man mistreated black in our history. I have also been the victim of reverse prejudice.. and have seen first hand the prejudice of hispanic on black and other non- Hispanic . That does not EXCUSE anything but just want to express another opinion- to show that life is not simple right or wrong sometimes.

Now, I agree that Zimmerman did not have power... but a man in uniform (did he have a badge or uniform??) may SEAM as if he had power.

I think you are one of the kindest people on yt.. my statements are just discussion and my opinion nothing against you at all. I just think sometime the written word looks more harsh.. sorry