Zimmerman Affidavit of Probable Cause

[Bitsy]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

My biggest contention with this issue has nothing to do w/ race. What stands out to me is that the police told Zimmerman to NOT follow Trayvon, and he disobeyed that instruction. If a confrontation happened, I think that puts a whole lot of fault on Zimmerman. If someone was following anyone, a confrontation can very will be provoked...black, white, whatever.

My other main contention is that he was carrying a gun in the first place. It seems the neighborhood had no idea or intention that their 'watchman' would be carrying a weapon. If it was his sole decision to do this, that needs to be examined.

Completely agree!!!

Originally Posted by gidget529

As LJ said, you don't know that. Also, Zimmerman was acting as the aggressor - following Trayvon when he was told not to, carrying a weapon, taking the law into his own hands (as Ann stated).

I think this brings out unresolved race issues in some ppl and gets the discussion off of the facts at hand. I am sorry some have felt discrimination; however, many of us have. Some have felt discrimination bc of race, religion, weight, gender, stature, and some bc they are ppl who suffer from medical conditions in a world that glorifies health. It has happened to virtually all of us at one time or another.

You cannot play "cops and robbers" w loaded weapons in your neighborhood. I don't care if you are a magistrate's son or not. I don't care if there were previous thefts or not. Vigilanteism is against the law. Period. That is what
we have paid police forces for - to protect and to serve.

Exactly!!! The POLICE carry the guns to protect and serve...not neighborhood crime watchers.

Originally Posted by Ringo1

Let's face it guys - none of us know what really happened. Heck, my Lucy knows as much about what will come to light in Discovery as we all do. Unless you are one of the attorneys involved in the case and privy to all the information to date - you cannot know this.

I know only that an unarmed young man was shot - by someone carrying a gun. That the local police declined to do ANY investigation until there was media involvement and a public outcry.

Hopefully, we will learn the rest througout the trial or what information either side decides to leak.

I agree!!! I hate it when I read opinions that are stated as fact that have not been proven at all. Ugh.

This case outrages me...I'm glad he was arrested. He followed a young man after being told NOT to and SHOT and KILLED him. He deserved to be arrested and have an investigation into what happened. God knows if it were my son who was murdered I'd want the same thing done to his murderer.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by gidget529

As LJ said, you don't know that. Also, Zimmerman was acting as the aggressor - following Trayvon when he was told not to, carrying a weapon, taking the law into his own hands (as Ann stated).

I think this brings out unresolved race issues in some ppl and gets the discussion off of the facts at hand. I am sorry some have felt discrimination; however, many of us have. Some have felt discrimination bc of race, religion, weight, gender, stature, and some bc they are ppl who suffer from medical conditions in a world that glorifies health. It has happened to virtually all of us at one time or another.

You cannot play "cops and robbers" w loaded weapons in your neighborhood. I don't care if you are a magistrate's son or not. I don't care if there were previous thefts or not. Vigilanteism is against the law. Period. That is what we have paid police forces for - to protect and to serve.

Yes, that is so true!

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I think discussions about discrimination are so meaningful, as long as people keep their cool (not always easy!). So much food for thought can come out of it.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by gidget529

As LJ said, you don't know that. Also, Zimmerman was acting as the aggressor - following Trayvon when he was told not to, carrying a weapon, taking the law into his own hands (as Ann stated).

I think this brings out unresolved race issues in some ppl and gets the discussion off of the facts at hand. I am sorry some have felt discrimination; however, many of us have. Some have felt discrimination bc of race, religion, weight, gender, stature, and some bc they are ppl who suffer from medical conditions in a world that glorifies health. It has happened to virtually all of us at one time or another.

You cannot play "cops and robbers" w loaded weapons in your neighborhood. I don't care if you are a magistrate's son or not. I don't care if there were previous thefts or not. Vigilanteism is against the law. Period. That is what we have paid police forces for - to protect and to serve.

But we do know Zimmerman had cuts on the back of his head.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

And that is proof to you that Trayvon did it?

No that's evidence that something happened probably a fight.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

But we do know Zimmerman had cuts on the back of his head.

I don't know if he had cuts on his head or not, there have been reports of having cuts and not having cuts. Why do you think that if he had cuts it was justifiable? Zimmerman didn't want Trayvon to get away, even though the police said not to follow him, he insisted on following Trayvon, and Trayvon was on a phone speaking to a girlfriend, he told her was being followed and was scared. I'm assuming he ran at some point and Zimmerman may have run after him and tackled him. Why would a guy with an ice tea and Skittles talking to his girlfriend on a phone, walking in his own neigborhood, randomly attack some guy?

[Lovetodream88]

The stuff I read said Zimmerman went back to get the address of where he was at so are we sure he continued to follow Trayvon?

[KazzyK810]

Wow...wow...guessed I missed alot while at work today....

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I'm really shocked by the statement, black crime against white has always been taken much more seriously. I don't even think the cops would have done anything about this if there hadn't been an outcry. I'm not lableing anyone anything, there are NO perfect kids, black or white. This guy should not have been using a gun to patrol his neigborhood, and when he reported it, they told him not to follow. He is the one who did not do what the police told him to do. Even if, Trayvon fought him, he probably was scared for his life. I wouldn't feel any better if Trayvon had been killed with a bully club.

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I know you cannot possibly be serious. It is hard for me to grasp how anyone believes there is no racism in this country...

Shocked & saddened.

Originally Posted by GeorgiesMomma

-literally the only way I know to respond to this. I won't post anything additional on this thread.

I'm with you on this.

[ladyjane]

If I were to guess, I would say that Zimmerman jumped him and the poor kid probably did fight for his life. I would never go so far as to say that is definitely what happened. We don't KNOW what happened.....except that someone was out in the dark following people with a gun in his waistband. Someone was clearly screaming help and I seriously doubt it was a man with a gun.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

The stuff I read said Zimmerman went back to get the address of where he was at so are we sure he continued to follow Trayvon?

So you thing Trayvon followed Zimmerman? Anyway, I'm not sure of anything, except the police wanted to let Zimmerman go, and if it were not for his Trayvon's parents, Zimmerman would be free. I don't offhand see anything about this to suggest he was threatened, he was looking for a fight.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I don't know if he had cuts on his head or not, there have been reports of having cuts and not having cuts. Why do you think that if he had cuts it was justifiable? Zimmerman didn't want Trayvon to get away, even though the police said not to follow him, he insisted on following Trayvon, and Trayvon was on a phone speaking to a girlfriend, he told her was being followed and was scared. I'm assuming he ran at some point and Zimmerman may have run after him and tackled him. Why would a guy with an ice tea and Skittles talking to his girlfriend on a phone, walking in his own neigborhood, randomly attack some guy?

The video shows cuts on the back of his head. We really don't know what he said to the girlfriend people can say what they want but that doesn't mean its the truth. He could have been on drugs and the girlfriend may not have wanted to say that. Zimmerman said Trayvons hand was in his waist band in the 911 call and that is where a lot of people put there guns so he didn't know whether he was unarmed or not.

[Lil Sis]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

People in groups do a lot of crazy things. Look at what happened recently when Kentucky won the basketball tournament.

This has nothing to do with this case.

The parents have been really classy about the entire matter...all they want is justice and they have not called for ANY rioting or lynching. They have every right to speak up about what they feel is an injustice.

yes.. the parents have been classy -- I agree. But the trashing of the local mall and the walgrees was related to this case.

I personally feel... again this is MY OPINION only... Zimmerman is guilty. I arrived at that after reviewing the information I had.. I just don't think this should have caused a life. period. Even if Treavon did hit zimmerman.. he weight half his weight.. it was not cause to kill him. If someone was following me and I was frighten I would hit too.

Also, yes if your or my child was killed in the same manner we would fight like heck... but I still don't think there would be riots in our name.
I have seen it... I have lived it. The same week this happened there were other crimes... violent crimes on innocent people that hardly made the news.. and justice was not served either. I don't have answers, and the whole thing makes me very sad..

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

So you thing Trayvon followed Zimmerman? Anyway, I'm not sure of anything, except the police wanted to let Zimmerman go, and if it were not for his Trayvon's parents, Zimmerman would be free. I don't offhand see anything about this to suggest he was threatened, he was looking for a fight.

No but if Trayvon was back where Zimmerman went to get the address of where he was at it would seem like he was still following Trayvon. But really we don't know he was out looking for a fight.

[Lil Sis]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

If I were to guess, I would say that Zimmerman jumped him and the poor kid probably did fight for his life. I would never go so far as to say that is definitely what happened. We don't KNOW what happened.....except that someone was out in the dark following people with a gun in his waistband. Someone was clearly screaming help and I seriously doubt it was a man with a gun.

yes.. all good points!

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

The video shows cuts on the back of his head. We really don't know what he said to the girlfriend people can say what they want but that doesn't mean its the truth. He could have been on drugs and the girlfriend may not have wanted to say that. Zimmerman said Trayvons hand was in his waist band in the 911 call and that is where a lot of people put there guns so he didn't know whether he was unarmed or not.

Even IF there was a small cut on his head....he was not being bashed because it would have been a lot worse...and we don't know HOW it happened. You cannot look at stuff on TV and decide it is fact. How can you just say that Trayvon jumped him because he might have had a little scrape on his head???

As for the comment about him maybe being on drugs...all I can say is we will know for sure when the autopsy report comes back....but sadly we will not know if Zimmerman was drinking or on drugs because no one bothered to check him.

Interesting...his hand was in his waist band? Obviously, Zimmerman had HIS hand on a gun.

[Lovetodream88]

I have a serious question here I am not being sarcastic or anything but how do they decided whether he could have a fair trial and what happens if they decided he cant?