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Old 09-07-2005, 07:41 PM   #1
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It is so sad to see how the liberals have rushed to "politicize" this tradgedy! I'm so glad our president doesn't stoop to their level when he has had many opportunities to do so. They should remember his kind words for Mrs. Clinton and President Clinton when he unvelied the Clinton's portraits in the White House. They should also remember how he graciously asked his father an President Clinton to co-chair the Tsunami Relief efforts. He didn't have to do that! He is a man of class, intlelligence, ethics and I am so proud he is our president. To say that he doesn't care about African Americans is absurd! I too think the federal government was about 24 hours late in New Orleans and we need to find out why, but the onus lies on the mayor and the governor for most of the failure to evacuate. President Bush called Gov. Blanco on Saturday before the hurricane and offered the National Guard and she turned him down! The mayor sent many empty city buses out of the city when it was clearly in the evacuation plan to use the buses to get people out.

Right now we need to be thinking of the best ways to help these victims and the best ways to prevent this kind of thing from happening again. IMO, New Orleans should be rebuilt much smaller. God bless all the victims of Katrina in LA, MS and AL, and God bless America and our president!
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I totally agree! It makes no sense to point fingers and try to place the blame anyway, it's a wasted effort. What's done is done and right now everyone needs to join our efforts and concentration on relief.

Actualy, I was just having this (what you wrote) conversation with a girlfriend 10 minutes ago!
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I don't think that this is necessarily a race issue, or that Bush doesn't like one race or another. However, I have to agree with the numerous citizens and journalists I've heard question whether things would have happened differently had this happened in a different area.

I don't think that Bush has shown his "class" in the wake of Katrina's destruction. I read in a national newspaper that he was laughing about his old drinking days in New Orleans while touring the devastation. Have a little respect for the people that are mourning more than the local watering holes. Also, I encourage you to view the photo link I posted under the Oprah thread. Bush found playing guitar with country singer Mark Willis on Tuesday, August 30 to be more important than the poor citizens of NO. If that was his priority, he could have at least not allowed journalists to photograph him. It's kind of a slap in the face for the victims of Katrina, IMO.

I for one believe that numerous politicians dropped the ball after Katrina- reguardless of their political affiliations. I applaud pres. Bush for asking Congress to get to the bottom of the issue. It's no more than a performance review for those involved. If we don't find out who was responsible, those at fault will get away with murder, and could potentially be re-elected and be in a position to have this happen again. Accountability is part of the responsibility of being a politician, IMO.

I'm not questioning your word in the least, but do you know where you heard that President Bush contacted the governor beforehand, or that the mayor turned away busses. I haven't heard this and would like to read more about it. I was unsuccessful Googling each subject, so if you could provide your sources, I'd definitely like to check them out! (Thank you!)
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An excellent post. My only opinion is that there was no way to fully anticipate or prepare for the extent of this tragedy. I am so proud of the way all Americans have stepped up to help our brothers and sisters who lost everything.

Susan: I can't answer all of your questions, but I do recall hearing about the timeline between Bush requesting that the mayor (or governor) announce evacuation, and the time that elapsed before the mayor(or governor) actually called it. My source was, IIRC, Hannity & COlmes. I am sure that in the coming months all will be revealed and hopefully we will all have full disclosure of the events and what needs to be done to insure that the next catastrophe will be handled better.

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I don't think that this is necessarily a race issue, or that Bush doesn't like one race or another. However, I have to agree with the numerous citizens and journalists I've heard question whether things would have happened differently had this happened in a different area.

I don't think that Bush has shown his "class" in the wake of Katrina's destruction. I read in a national newspaper that he was laughing about his old drinking days in New Orleans while touring the devastation. Have a little respect for the people that are mourning more than the local watering holes. Also, I encourage you to view the photo link I posted under the Oprah thread. Bush found playing guitar with country singer Mark Willis on Tuesday, August 30 to be more important than the poor citizens of NO. If that was his priority, he could have at least not allowed journalists to photograph him. It's kind of a slap in the face for the victims of Katrina, IMO.

I for one believe that numerous politicians dropped the ball after Katrina- reguardless of their political affiliations. I applaud pres. Bush for asking Congress to get to the bottom of the issue. It's no more than a performance review for those involved. If we don't find out who was responsible, those at fault will get away with murder, and could potentially be re-elected and be in a position to have this happen again. Accountability is part of the responsibility of being a politician, IMO.

I'm not questioning your word in the least, but do you know where you heard that President Bush contacted the governor beforehand, or that the mayor turned away busses. I haven't heard this and would like to read more about it. I was unsuccessful Googling each subject, so if you could provide your sources, I'd definitely like to check them out! (Thank you!)
Bill O'Reilly and Hannity and Colmes were the sources for the info on Bush's having contacted the governor. I didn't say the mayor turned away buses, I said that the city buses weren't used to evacuate the citizens who didn't have cars or any other way out. Part of the existing city plan for evacuation included using city buses and school buses to evacuate the city.
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The Congressional investigation is being demanded by the Louisiana contingent of representatives and senators. Mary Landrieu has been extremely vocal about this.

The congressional reps and senators also requested a cabinet level representative be appointed to oversee the disaster. It hasn't happened yet and it was requested a week ago.

I've probably watched more news reports, interviews, and press conferences about this whole situation that most of you here . . . . specifically because we didn't have regular TV programming until yesterday. Coverage has been 24 hours a day non-stop.

The people of the affected areas know that now is not the time to point fingers but I guarantee you, when it is time . . . there will be over a million fingers from south Louisiana demanding answers.

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It is so sad to see how the liberals have rushed to "politicize" this tradgedy! I'm so glad our president doesn't stoop to their level when he has had many opportunities to do so. They should remember his kind words for Mrs. Clinton and President Clinton when he unvelied the Clinton's portraits in the White House. They should also remember how he graciously asked his father an President Clinton to co-chair the Tsunami Relief efforts. He didn't have to do that! He is a man of class, intlelligence, ethics and I am so proud he is our president. To say that he doesn't care about African Americans is absurd! I too think the federal government was about 24 hours late in New Orleans and we need to find out why, but the onus lies on the mayor and the governor for most of the failure to evacuate. President Bush called Gov. Blanco on Saturday before the hurricane and offered the National Guard and she turned him down! The mayor sent many empty city buses out of the city when it was clearly in the evacuation plan to use the buses to get people out. Right now we need to be thinking of the best ways to help these victims and the best ways to prevent this kind of thing from happening again. IMO, New Orleans should be rebuilt much smaller. God bless all the victims of Katrina in LA, MS and AL, and God bless America and our president!
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24 hrs late? What about the 5 days from when the storm hit to when Bush finally got troops down there?? He addmitted that he didn't know that the situation was so critical until Thursday!!!...People were dying due to his lack of 'knowledge' about how serious the storm had impacted LA,MS... Everyone knew this storm was coming and going to hit hard, so how did he 'not know' it was so serious until 4 days afterwards, and then it took even long for troops to be deploid, help with the rescuing efforts, and but an end the the brief Anarcy!! But most importantly start saving the life of people that were standing up to water up to their hips, cut people out of their atticks, get food out to the hungry, etc. Maybe if all of our troops weren't in Iraq then the people most directly impacted by Katrina would have had help come to them faster. It's just unbelievable that it has taken so long for relief to start. Now it is in force and we have our troops, and volunteers are flooding to help, and with the millions of dollars that have been donated I think that things are getting back in track. I worry that our government won't give the danations directly to the people, and to the rebuilding of the beautiful and historical city, and not only New Orleans, but Biloxi, and all the other many cities and communities that were demolished. Hopefully better discisions will start to be made by this governmen.
I don't think it is fair for you to speak for ALL 'liberals', because ALL liberals are not politicizing the events that Katrina has lead to, and I don't believe that there hasn't been politicing from conservitives. But of course everything has to do with politics, everything is political. But as everyone is entitled to their own opinions, it is important that we all stick together, to help the people that were really hurt by Katrina with prayers, donations, volunteer work, or whatever it is that you can bing to the table.
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Thor's Momma, your response is exactly what I'm talking about! The anger and vitriol you have when you speak of the president causes me to question whether or not this is just another opportunity to "bash Bush." I'd like to know your sources of information as well.
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Our national government is set up to protect state's rights. The president can not take control of a situation such as this without the ok of the state government, which cannot take control without the ok of the local government. The local emergency evacuation plan that NO had worked out, they failed to implement. The state government did not ask for assistance early on, on the contrary, they were not permitting agencies of assistance to even come into the area (a friend was sent down pre-Katrina to go in and do s/r immediately following and the local govt did not allow them in until on Wed - we're talking over 50 s/r people, boats, humvees, dogs, etc volunteers from NM) Until the city and the state asked, the govt, cannot order troops or anything else. Bush is not a dictator and can't just do as he pleases. Yes, the govt response appears to have been slow, but what of the state and local who had to act FIRST and request govt intervention. The blame does not rest on 1 person or agency. First it is the mayor of NO whose evacuation plan was never implemented in the emergency need of evacuation.
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Try and imagine yourself in the shoes of these people most affected. Imagine if your mother, father, sister, brother, son or daughter had been waiting for 3,4,5,6,7 days to be rescued off of a roof top, imagine going that long sitting in filthy water, hungy, thirsty, and noone on the way. As much as you do not understand why I have NO respect for bush, you may not understand how I couldn't give him the time of day...It's hard to distinguish a 'tone' by reading something, but I am not 'yelling' or mad. I am young, and you may not agree that I even can speak on this issue but I know that nothing could be expected from bush. In my opinion he is not an intellectual, and he is not fair in the sense of equal rights.

And my source is the CNN. On various interviews, he had made comments on the fact that he had no clue that the levy (sp?) may break. Do you remember when New Orleans was trying to get money to make the levy stronger and better and bush wouldn't give them the money? Also, I'm not sure if you have NPR in your area, but I'm sure you can access it from the internet.
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Try and imagine yourself in the shoes of these people most affected. Imagine if your mother, father, sister, brother, son or daughter had been waiting for 3,4,5,6,7 days to be rescued off of a roof top, imagine going that long sitting in filthy water, hungy, thirsty, and noone on the way. As much as you do not understand why I have NO respect for bush, you may not understand how I couldn't give him the time of day...It's hard to distinguish a 'tone' by reading something, but I am not 'yelling' or mad. I am young, and you may not agree that I even can speak on this issue but I know that nothing could be expected from bush. In my opinion he is not an intellectual, and he is not fair in the sense of equal rights.

And my source is the CNN. On various interviews, he had made comments on the fact that he had no clue that the levy (sp?) may break. Do you remember when New Orleans was trying to get money to make the levy stronger and better and bush wouldn't give them the money? Also, I'm not sure if you have NPR in your area, but I'm sure you can access it from the internet.
Of course you have a right to speak! President Bush did not deny them the money for the levees. That has been ongoing for many years. Do you really expect the president to have personal knowledge of every levee, bridge, earthquake fault, etc. in the country? As for equal rights, just look at his cabinet members! There is quite a variety of race and gender there! Also, his own sister-in-law is Hispanic.He is also quite aware of the oppression around the world, and has the guts to try to help the oppressed live in freedom. If that isn't being concerned over equal rights, I don't know what is!

BTW, it was indeed easy to read your tone in the previous response.
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I would really like to see this thread remain calm, so that it won't get locked or deleted.

It will truly be months before any of us will know the true and exact sequence of events. Right now, there is a lot of finger pointing going on. We need to stop the blaming and focus on helping. I am so grateful that there are opportunities to help right at my doorstep. My energy can be better spent taking positive action.

Believe me, tho, when the full reports come out, I will be poring over them and calling for the heads of all those who were negligent in responding.

On a side note, my puppy's head smells like cat pee. PHEWEE!!! Can I spray Nature's Miracle on her head
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I would really like to see this thread remain calm, so that it won't get locked or deleted.

It will truly be months before any of us will know the true and exact sequence of events. Right now, there is a lot of finger pointing going on. We need to stop the blaming and focus on helping. I am so grateful that there are opportunities to help right at my doorstep. My energy can be better spent taking positive action.

Believe me, tho, when the full reports come out, I will be poring over them and calling for the heads of all those who were negligent in responding.

On a side note, my puppy's head smells like cat pee. PHEWEE!!! Can I spray Nature's Miracle on her head
I agree here...I think we can all agree that the help was terrible and we can only hope this will be a huge wakeup call for those in power to start worrying about the little people and not just the well off cities/communities. I truly hope once all this blame game stops - we center our energies into PREVENTING anything like this from ever happening again.

I will say this at the risk of sounding political ....which I'm really not....I have really had a bad taste for our current president this last year - I know no one is perfect but I think we could do better.

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President Bush did not deny them the money for the levees. That has been ongoing for many years. Do you really expect the president to have personal knowledge of every levee, bridge, earthquake fault, etc. in the country?
Actual, Elizabeth, I'm quite sure he did have knowledge of this. (As did Bill Clinton and Bush, Sr., and apparently others before them) As I earlier posted in another thread, Bush used the money meant to repair the levees to build a bridge in Alaska. (I may not be accurate on this point, but can double check the article in the NYT if needed), but I believe that money came from the Homeland Security fund. All three of the most recent presidents had knowledge of the state of this levee. Greta Van Susteren with Fox News questioned each of the former presidents about this at a press conference or meeting earlier this week. (As you can imagine- neither was too willing to talk about the subject!)
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Actual, Elizabeth, I'm quite sure he did have knowledge of this. (As did Bill Clinton and Bush, Sr., and apparently others before them) As I earlier posted in another thread, Bush used the money meant to repair the levees to build a bridge in Alaska. (I may not be accurate on this point, but can double check the article in the NYT if needed), but I believe that money came from the Homeland Security fund. All three of the most recent presidents had knowledge of the state of this levee. Greta Van Susteren with Fox News questioned each of the former presidents about this at a press conference or meeting earlier this week. (As you can imagine- neither was too willing to talk about the subject!)
Thanks Susan, I'll look that up! I'd like to find another source for that besides the NYT, though. They are less than credible lately IMO.
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