Octuplet Birth......

[Bizzymammabee]

Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids - Yahoo! News

Seems that all her children were conceived via IVF. She has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager. Her mom said she wanted to be a school teacher and that didn't work out so she made up for it by having her own children. All the children were from a Sperm Donor and it seems that one of the children is Autistic. Her mom said she told her to not have anymore children and said as soon as her daughter is out of the hospital she is gone and she can't expect any help from her. She said the daughter was supposed to have counseling. So my guess is that it's her father that will be returning to Iraq to work to help her support the children.

Seems someone had asked her how she could afford to have the IVF done and she said she is "paid to do it". It also seems the reason that she wanted all the extra eggs implanted is because it was going to be the last time she did it and didn't want any of her eggs to be destroyed.

Her mom says that she is 33 and a student...currently working on her Masters if I remember correctly. No mention of a job. So now we know how the cookie crumbles. It's not gossip or heresay as all the information came from her mom.

I have to tell you having an autistic child is like having four children right there. I have two very good friends with Autistic sons and with all the extra time and energy they have to put into their care for both medical and learning issues they have both opted to not have other children. So I really am not sure how she manages or will manage with a child that is Autistic and 13 other children...especially with 8 of them being the same age.

[Bizzymammabee]

Originally Posted by BubblPopElectrc

Maybe she's hoping to get a show like Jon and Kate Plus 8 or the Duggars since they seem to be very popular/trendy right now.

Why Kyle I guess your just as cynical as me She better hope she can get something going. She will need all the help she can get.

[MindieRose]

Originally Posted by Bizzymammabee

Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids - Yahoo! News


I have to tell you having an autistic child is like having four children right there. I have two very good friends with Autistic sons and with all the extra time and energy they have to put into their care for both medical and learning issues they have both opted to not have other children. So I really am not sure how she manages or will manage with a child that is Autistic and 13 other children...especially with 8 of them being the same age.

Autism is a spectrum disorder. Not all kids with autism are like having 4 kids.
My second oldest has autism along with a genetic disorder, and my 4th has a heart condition. Doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to have more children.
I don't think anyone knows "how she will do it". Sometimes you just take things day by day. I don't like how it all went down with her having all the kids, but it isn't my business. Since she has such a strong desire to be a mother of many children, I am going to give her the benefit of the doubt that she is going to try her best to be a good mother. I see a ton of people with one or 2 kids that I think shouldn't be parents. I see parents on here say things that make me think they shouldn't be allowed to have more kids, but that isn't my decision to make.

[LuvMyPrinceKobi]

She is crazy! That's all I know! I have NOOOOOOOOO problem whatsoever if a family (or a single person, for that matter) wants 14 kids! But to be so irresponsible about the whole thing is just RIDICULOUS! Everyone has pretty much stated my opinion, but if you can't support your family, then stop! What a shame I truly feel sorry for her mother and father and for ALL 14 of those children. It really sounds like she has a true OBSESSION about having kids (not taking care of them...) UGH...some people......

[jp4m2]

Originally Posted by Bizzymammabee

Why Kyle I guess your just as cynical as me She better hope she can get something going. She will need all the help she can get.

I gotta say that the more that comes out about this situation the sadder it gets for the children....There apparently is no father around to help raise these children. It also appears this selfish , self centered woman has burdened her parents with her decisions. So if she's a single mom then who will be taking care of 14 kids while she's in school or at work? By the sounds of her mother she has no interest in doing so.

I hope there is more to this story and it turns out better than it is appearing, but I have a feeling this woman is a loon.....

[cataholic]

I just think it is irresponsible to have children if you cannot afford to take care of them. I think it is wrong to have more children if you are living with your parents with no job or means to take care of them on your own. How can a single mom raise 14 children on her own? I think if what the mom said is true, she has a mental disorder that should have been addressed. Doctors should have looked into her mental state and financial situation. The children are whats important now. I hope they are taken care of. But I do not want my tax dollars paying for their care. We have our own children to raise we should not be responsible for somebody else's children. I know people in my community that have kids just to get welfare. It needs to stop!

[chachi]

Originally Posted by jp4m2

I gotta say that the more that comes out about this situation the sadder it gets for the children....There apparently is no father around to help raise these children. It also appears this selfish , self centered woman has burdened her parents with her decisions. So if she's a single mom then who will be taking care of 14 kids while she's in school or at work? By the sounds of her mother she has no interest in doing so.

I hope there is more to this story and it turns out better than it is appearing, but I have a feeling this woman is a loon.....

I agree! I am so sad for these children!

[Bizzymammabee]

Originally Posted by MindieRose

Autism is a spectrum disorder. Not all kids with autism are like having 4 kids.
My second oldest has autism along with a genetic disorder, and my 4th has a heart condition. Doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to have more children.
I don't think anyone knows "how she will do it". Sometimes you just take things day by day. I don't like how it all went down with her having all the kids, but it isn't my business. Since she has such a strong desire to be a mother of many children, I am going to give her the benefit of the doubt that she is going to try her best to be a good mother. I see a ton of people with one or 2 kids that I think shouldn't be parents. I see parents on here say things that make me think they shouldn't be allowed to have more kids, but that isn't my decision to make.

I think your taking this a bit too personally as though someone is attacking your personal choice to have six children as evidenced by the fact that you keep saying you had six etc. It's great you have chosen to have your six and possibly more with your spouse. Your fortunate that you are able to be a stay at home mom and raise your children. Would you have been able to have and raise six and then fourteen children on your own ...no I don't think so.

Now in this lady's situation she has relied on her family for help and her mom seems to be done with the siuation. Her poor dad has to go to work in a dangerous area so he can help her support her children....why should he have to do that. If she wants to make them then she better be able to support them.

Autism is a broad spectrum issue but you can't tell me that your child that has Autism doesn't need extra attention. That is all that I was trying to say. I see just how much extra attention my friends need to give with their child's learning and medical issues.

[Bizzymammabee]

It's great you have chosen to have your six and possibly more with your spouse. Your fortunate that you are able to be a stay at home mom and raise your children. Would you have been able to have and raise six and then fourteen children on your own ...no I don't think so. Would you have been able to have six if you hadn't been an at home mom. Can you imagine all the endless work you do in a day with your children and having to add a full time job to that to care for them. So in this economy your sitution is very fortunate. I do not know what your husband does for a living nor what you household situation is (your business not mine) but could you sustain such a large household if your husband were to become ill, laid off or incapacitated in any way. I think unless your well set that is a hard thing to accomplish. So in this lady's case where there seems to be no visible means of support and she is a student there is something wrong.

[jp4m2]

Originally Posted by Bizzymammabee

I think your taking this a bit too personally as though someone is attacking your personal choice to have six children as evidenced by the fact that you keep saying you had six etc. It's great you have chosen to have your six and possibly more with your spouse. Your fortunate that you are able to be a stay at home mom and raise your children. Would you have been able to have and raise six and then fourteen children on your own ...no I don't think so.

Now in this lady's situation she has relied on her family for help and her mom seems to be done with the siuation. Her poor dad has to go to work in a dangerous area so he can help her support her children....why should he have to do that. If she wants to make them then she better be able to support them.

Autism is a broad spectrum issue but you can't tell me that your child that has Autism doesn't need extra attention. That is all that I was trying to say. I see just how much extra attention my friends need to give with their child's learning and medical issues.

...I couldn't agree with you more.....It doesn't appear that this particular woman thought about anything except herself in this situation....Two different situations...

[Bizzymammabee]

Originally Posted by jp4m2

...I couldn't agree with you more.....It doesn't appear that this particular woman thought about anything except herself in this situation....Two different situations...

Like her mom said she is obsessed with having children..it started in her early teens.

[Mom to Hot Rod]

Originally Posted by MindieRose

Regardless of the hows or whys of this particular situation, no one can say that someone cannot give their children the attention that they think the children need in any family. Just because someone may have a difficult time with 3 children, doesn't mean that someone cannot give 14 children enough love an attention. Yes, compared to 14, 6 isn't a lot, but my husband and I plan on either having more or adopting. I stay home with my kids, and am probably going back to homeschooling again soon. How many parents have one kid that sits in daycare for 10 hours a day? Kids don't need iphones and thousand dollar wardrobes. The ones that are provided with those things usually grow up to be selfish and greedy anyway. We don't get any assistance from the state at all, but no one can decide that they "don't want their money to go to supporting this family". I don't want my tax dollars supporting most things that it does such as stem cell research (which passed in this state now) and planned parenthood providing abortions. I have no control over it though, aside from placing my vote at election time. I guess I would rather have my tax money go to supporting someone trying to feed their kids rather then kill them.
It has sounded from the minute it was released that there were some rather unethical decisions made on the part of the fertility clinic, and I cannot fathom why someone would implant or have implanted, 8 babies. I can understand the outrage there. I cannot stand by though while people are saying that NO mother could provide enough attention for 14 children. Just because you personally could not, doesnt mean that no one can. God designed everyone different, and designed all children different that are made for different families. Sometimes when a person at the store asks me if all these kids are really mine, and I tell them they are, they will say "better you than me!" and I turn and say "you're right! It is better!". I know someone personally with 14 children, and half of them are grown and out of the house now. Every single one of those out of the house are incredible people. They are selfless, happy, great parents, have successful marriages, and none feel as if they didn't get enough attention growing up.

I take my hat of to you for taking on the responsibility of raising 6 children. It is great that you can do so in the "normal" environment with you and your husband. I see so much unhappiness in people/kids with non-traditional families whether they are single moms by choice or divorced parents. No one, I think, is saying that if someone desires to have 14 or 20 kids they shouldn't. But you have to wonder why and how come someone would want to risk the lives of the babies to do so. You say that you do not want to fund stem cell research or planned parenthood but why would you want to fund someone who has no regard for the health and welfare of the child/children? If given the option to have an chance to have a healthy child or take a chance and knowingly put that embryo (in this case 8 of them) in jeopardy to start with, what is the sense of that? I hope those children will be happy and healthy, but let's be realistic, some of those 8 have special needs. Taking the cost and who will wind up paying for it, out, is it fair to knowingly put that child through that?

I have heard so many young girls, say that they take care of their kids. I have to ask, if they are taking care of their kids, why don't they take a look at what you can offer them before you have them? Take a look at where it is that they are before decide to have babies. Are you in a place that gives that child/children the best start in life? the best advantages-not financial but emotional support. If someone wants to have babies, then so be it, but as most have said on this thread, I don't want to fund someone who has no regard for the welfare of their children first and foremost.

[Shelby&Seymour]

Originally Posted by Bizzymammabee

Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids - Yahoo! News

Seems that all her children were conceived via IVF. She has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager. Her mom said she wanted to be a school teacher and that didn't work out so she made up for it by having her own children. All the children were from a Sperm Donor and it seems that one of the children is Autistic. Her mom said she told her to not have anymore children and said as soon as her daughter is out of the hospital she is gone and she can't expect any help from her. She said the daughter was supposed to have counseling. So my guess is that it's her father that will be returning to Iraq to work to help her support the children.

Seems someone had asked her how she could afford to have the IVF done and she said she is "paid to do it". It also seems the reason that she wanted all the extra eggs implanted is because it was going to be the last time she did it and didn't want any of her eggs to be destroyed.

Her mom says that she is 33 and a student...currently working on her Masters if I remember correctly. No mention of a job. So now we know how the cookie crumbles. It's not gossip or heresay as all the information came from her mom.

I have to tell you having an autistic child is like having four children right there. I have two very good friends with Autistic sons and with all the extra time and energy they have to put into their care for both medical and learning issues they have both opted to not have other children. So I really am not sure how she manages or will manage with a child that is Autistic and 13 other children...especially with 8 of them being the same age.

This sickens me......... maybe the mental state of this woman needs to be evaluated.

[Connie]

I quit watching the news, so didn't know anything about this until my hubby told me about the birth. I told him I suppose they'll have they'll have their own TV show some day.

This is totally nuts! I don't care what anyone says...there is no way one can raise 14 children and give those children what they need and I'm not talking of material things. I also don't think it's right to have so many kids, that the older ones have to parent the younger ones. I like to see kids be able to be kids.

I feel very bad for that mother's parents and those innocent children. It should not be up to the government to raise them, but I'm sure that's what it will come down to. They will also need help in taking care of them...with 6 children and add 8 newborns...it will be nonstop feedings and changings. Is she planning to just leave that all up to her Mom while she's off to school. This is ridiculous!

[Bizzymammabee]

Originally Posted by Connie

I quit watching the news, so didn't know anything about this until my hubby told me about the birth. I told him I suppose they'll have they'll have their own TV show some day.

This is totally nuts! I don't care what anyone says...there is no way one can raise 14 children and give those children what they need and I'm not talking of material things. I also don't think it's right to have so many kids, that the older ones have to parent the younger ones. I like to see kids be able to be kids.

I feel very bad for that mother's parents and those innocent children. It should not be up to the government to raise them, but I'm sure that's what it will come down to. They will also need help in taking care of them...with 6 children and add 8 newborns...it will be nonstop feedings and changings. Is she planning to just leave that all up to her Mom while she's off to school. This is ridiculous!

The bills to begin with are huge. Can you imagine when they are out of the hospital and need to be fed, clothed and have diapers, etc. I think I read somewhere that for an average child rearing it cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $250k. That is just with giving them the basic necessities and not any luxury items that their peers have or the cost of college.

The old saying was it takes a village to raise a child in this case it really will take a village to help her raise that brood. She is either going to have to hit the lotto or be very wealthy to have support in rearing these children or she will have to rely on the generosity of her neighbors and other church members to help her get through the times.

With John and Kate plus 8 they had rotating shifts of people from their church that first year to help them because there was no way they could do it on their own and she was a stay at home mom. The kids are now four I think and she still has help to come in and they need a cleaning lady to come once a week to help out. So there is no way that lady is doing it all on her own. Other folks will be necessary.

In the case of the Duggar family they tend to associate with people of the same religious faith and same mind set of having large families. If you have someone that lives out in the mainstream that we do think of how those children would feel if they were the kids that never had any of the things that other kids have...not speaking of luxury items...things like a bike or whatever like that.