my yorkies are rare

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I don't quite understand what you are saying. Who is rewriting it. and what are they disqualifing. Off colors were already disqualified, but the AKC is registering them.

I'm guessing that in time there will be another category for the other colors. These things take time. Like I said organizations do not like chnge, but if they don't change new organizations will pop up to take their place. It's all a matter of membership numbers.

YTCA (the National Club controls the standard) is rewriting the standard in conjunction with AKC. The disqualification will be off colored and parti colored. Yes, AKC is registering them, however, it is being looked into DNA testing prior to registering to insure their purebred standing.

[Raymond's Mom]

I didn't know about the DNA testing that will be required by AKC. That's great news. In surfing the net and looking at some of the web sites used by breeders that are selling parti's you can see that the pups are a mixed breed. At least those people will be eliminated from the mix.

[gypsyqueen]

there stunning

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

YTCA (the National Club controls the standard) is rewriting the standard in conjunction with AKC. The disqualification will be off colored and parti colored. Yes, AKC is registering them, however, it is being looked into DNA testing prior to registering to insure their purebred standing.

Trust me the parti colored dogs from the crownridge and Summit yorkies were DNA's many many times before they were accepted by AKC. They are not mixed breeds, the original Parti coloreds came from two champion yorkies. and they were DNA'd to prove that.

They can rewrite the standards for yorkies to exclude he parti color but that does not mean that the parti colored will never makes it's own place in the registry. There can be a Parti colored Yorkshire Terrier club and push to get these dog accepted. All of these breed clubs had to start somewhere, and as I have stated twice now, if they don't evolve with time they will become extinct and go the way of the Dinasaur.

The YTCA may be the Alpha but it will not be the Omega if it doesn't evolve.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Raymond's Mom

I didn't know about the DNA testing that will be required by AKC. That's great news. In surfing the net and looking at some of the web sites used by breeders that are selling parti's you can see that the pups are a mixed breed. At least those people will be eliminated from the mix.

Some of them probably are, that is why it is important to buy from the original line. I would not get one that did not come from the Crownridge/Summit yorkie line.

And they have been DNA'd already, before the AKC accepted them.

[carleirulesme]

They are adorable!

[JeanieK]

Here is a picture of Chachi's sire. His mother is a carrier, not a colored and Chachi is a carrier. I'm waiting for a colored girl.

[crystalsmom]

In my humble opinion, I feel
FlDebra
Lorraine and
Goldenray
have brought up some very important points. They are darling but because there is a market $$ for them does not mean we should breed and possibly
jeopardize health.

[Raymond's Mom]

The DNA testing to determine breed purity is new. I would expect that any testing that the two kennels you mention have done is for the frequently used sires program. As for the origin of the dogs that started the parti's in the US, from Gloria Lipman's breeding, there is no way to prove purity of those breedings.

Will YTCA become extinct if they don't embrace parti's....Of course not. New members are entrusted with the job of protecting our breed, not marketing it. And the new breeders take this obligation as seriously as the long time breeders.

The Biewer breeders should take note here. They have established stud books and have started to amass the information needed by AKC to have Biewer Terriers recognized. Those breeding parti's that originated here in the US need to be very careful. The mutts bred here may hinder the years of hard work that the Biewer breeders have put in.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by Raymond's Mom

The DNA testing to determine breed purity is new. I would expect that any testing that the two kennels you mention have done is for the frequently used sires program. As for the origin of the dogs that started the parti's in the US, from Gloria Lipman's breeding, there is no way to prove purity of those breedings.

Will YTCA become extinct if they don't embrace parti's....Of course not. New members are entrusted with the job of protecting our breed, not marketing it. And the new breeders take this obligation as seriously as the long time breeders.

The Biewer breeders should take note here. They have established stud books and have started to amass the information needed by AKC to have Biewer Terriers recognized. Those breeding parti's that originated here in the US need to be very careful. The mutts bred here may hinder the years of hard work that the Biewer breeders have put in.

Excellent post.
Regarding genetic testing of sires and progeny in any kennel, the AKC, from what I have been told by friends, also do checks at random regardless of numbers of litters or how often a sire is used at stud. There have been discrepancies discovered by the AKC during these random testings.

[kathy785]

Biewer Yorkshire Terrier standard greatly simplified: the dog must have white legs, white belly, white on head (preferably symetrical), white tip on tail that cannot be docked. The head should have three colors on it (White, black/blue, tan/gold). The rest of the standard is that of a traditional Yorkie. (size, build, hair coat).
Having a Standard to breed to important to me. I want to continue with that standard and hopefully improve the quality of dogs with my breedings. (Any perfect dogs out there?) Being able to show the Biewers helps me to evaluated my dogs and breeding program.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Raymond's Mom

The DNA testing to determine breed purity is new. I would expect that any testing that the two kennels you mention have done is for the frequently used sires program. As for the origin of the dogs that started the parti's in the US, from Gloria Lipman's breeding, there is no way to prove purity of those breedings.

Will YTCA become extinct if they don't embrace parti's....Of course not. New members are entrusted with the job of protecting our breed, not marketing it. And the new breeders take this obligation as seriously as the long time breeders.

The Biewer breeders should take note here. They have established stud books and have started to amass the information needed by AKC to have Biewer Terriers recognized. Those breeding parti's that originated here in the US need to be very careful. The mutts bred here may hinder the years of hard work that the Biewer breeders have put in.

No the DNA testing that was required in order to get these dogs registered was DNA testing to prove that the offspring came from the dam and sire that the they were claimed to have come from.

Every puppy in the litters were DNA tested and still are. If you want to register a litter of parti colored puppies, you have to have the parents and every puppy in the litter DNA'd. This is what they went through to get hese parti colored babies accepted by the AKC.

So if a parti colored puppy is AKC registered,f you can bet that it was DNA tested.

i have done my homeowrk on these puppies. I was not going to spend a lot of money to buy a dog that might have been half maltese. I went to the very origin of their existence, and bought from champion bloodlines.

The original breeders went to a lot of expense to get these dogs accepted by the AKC, and the AKC did not give in easily. It took many many generations of testing before they would register them.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by kathy785

Biewer Yorkshire Terrier standard greatly simplified: the dog must have white legs, white belly, white on head (preferably symetrical), white tip on tail that cannot be docked. The head should have three colors on it (White, black/blue, tan/gold). The rest of the standard is that of a traditional Yorkie. (size, build, hair coat).
Having a Standard to breed to important to me. I want to continue with that standard and hopefully improve the quality of dogs with my breedings. (Any perfect dogs out there?) Being able to show the Biewers helps me to evaluated my dogs and breeding program.

The size of the Biewer looks much bigger to me from the pictures, heavier dog, and coat does not look at all like the silk coat of a Yorkie. Head is very terrier much more so than the YOrkie of today.
JMO

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Raymond's Mom

The DNA testing to determine breed purity is new. I would expect that any testing that the two kennels you mention have done is for the frequently used sires program. As for the origin of the dogs that started the parti's in the US, from Gloria Lipman's breeding, there is no way to prove purity of those breedings.

Will YTCA become extinct if they don't embrace parti's....Of course not. New members are entrusted with the job of protecting our breed, not marketing it. And the new breeders take this obligation as seriously as the long time breeders.

The Biewer breeders should take note here. They have established stud books and have started to amass the information needed by AKC to have Biewer Terriers recognized. Those breeding parti's that originated here in the US need to be very careful. The mutts bred here may hinder the years of hard work that the Biewer breeders have put in.

No the DNA testing that was required in order to get these dogs registered was DNA testing to prove that the offspring came from the dam and sire that the they were claimed to have come from.

Every puppy in the litters were DNA tested and still are. If you want to register a litter of parti colored puppies, you have to have the parents and every puppy in the litter DNA'd. This is what they went through to get hese parti colored babies accepted by the AKC.

So if a parti colored puppy is AKC registered,f you can bet that it was DNA tested.

i have done my homeowrk on these puppies. I was not going to spend a lot of money to buy a dog that might have been half maltese. I went to the very origin of their existence, and bought from champion bloodlines.

The original breeders went to a lot of expense to get these dogs accepted by the AKC, and the AKC did not give in easily. It took many many generations of testing before they would register them.

[Raymond's Mom]

I commend you Kathy. And I do hope that some day the Biewers will be able to be exhibited in AKC shows but as a separate breed from Yorkshire Terriers. And again, I would put my money on the German Biewer lines vs. the parti's that started in the U.S. If you do want to be affiliated with a recognized breed, show in the shows that are credible, and really be able to claim that you have show dogs then AKC is the only way to go. UKC also holds very well run shows. I have no idea what their standing is on Biewers. Do you know if they are shown at UKC shows?