my yorkies are rare

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

There's always someone.
I've heard the term "Responsible Breeder" thrown around so much it's ridiculous. If one breeder doesn't adhere to another breeders beliefs then they are labled as Irresponsible..

OUCH! That "responsible breeder" was a quote -- copy and paste from the YTCA site not my words! I am still formulating my personal opinion on this and bringing up discussion. I am VERY interested in what others have to say and what the general feeling at shows might be.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Not to be mean, but to explain.

New breeds of dogs are being developed and registered all the time. They come from breeding different combinations or for different traits. Then the breeders work to get them Accepted by AKC. ....There are many breeds out there that are not yet being shown, not just parti colored yorkies.

YTCA needs to get with the program or they'll be replaced by another organization.

So, are you saying that parti-colored Yorkies are another new breed altogether and will be eventually recognized as such? If so, I understand that. But it seems more like they are registering them AS Yorkshire Terriers, just another color.

So, is YTCA not generally recognized as a breed reference source? Since the AKC site sent me there, I thought it was reputable and I have heard of them for years without any negatives.

BTW -- no worries -- I am not taking this as being mean -- I am glad that you are sharing information. I have always approached having a Yorkie as a "pet only" proposition. Now that I am interested in breeding, I will have MUCH to learn and may have to rethink some things several times before coming to any conclusion.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

So, are you saying that parti-colored Yorkies are another new breed altogether and will be eventually recognized as such? If so, I understand that. But it seems more like they are registering them AS Yorkshire Terriers, just another color.

So, is YTCA not generally recognized as a breed reference source? Since the AKC site sent me there, I thought it was reputable and I have heard of them for years without any negatives.

BTW -- no worries -- I am not taking this as being mean -- I am glad that you are sharing information. I have always approached having a Yorkie as a "pet only" proposition. Now that I am interested in breeding, I will have MUCH to learn and may have to rethink some things several times before coming to any conclusion.

They will most likely end up being in a separate catagory. For instance, with cocker spanials. There are three categories of color. Black, parti and ASCOB (any solid color other than black).

With beagles there are two different sizes, under 15 inch and 15 inch or over.

So the parti coloreds will probably not be put in the ring with traditional coloreds, but rather have their own classification and standards.

The YTCA is just a bit behind the times. Eventually the Older people will be replaced by younger people with more open minds. Large organizations are very reluctant to change. But as with any organization it's all up to the membership, and they either evolve or they become extinct.

I have not done any breeding yet either, but I have read enough to know that breeders have different opinions of what constitutes a responsible breeder.

Some breeders see nothing wrong with caging their animals as long as they are properly cared for. I could never cage a dog. Cages are for vicious animals. Those same breeders might object to breeding two different breeds, even though there is a market for them.

There is a huge market for pet quality yorkies. And as for their claiming to breed only to better the breed, and not for profit. How much better can you make the breed. Now if they would say they breed to improve their own line, that is a different story.

The real challenge would be to take two ordinary yorkies and to see if you could come up with an extraordinary offspring, through selective breeding.

[Lorraine]

This colouring along with Chocolates are considered to be incorrect to the breed standard for the Yorkshire Terrier. There is more info on colours on the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America which is the parent club found at www.ytca.org
You may also want to read the info provided on this link

http://members.aol.com/CYorkie/BiewerTriColor.html
I have no intention of getting into debate, only to present the facts. Anyone can think what they wish.
BTW 6 months is too young to ever consider using a male for breeding You wouldn't use a female at that age and neither should a male so young be used.

[Mardelin]

The Breed Standard is being rewritten as we speak. The parti color and off colored yorkies is being as a disqualification, the only disqualification in the standard. YTCA is also working with AKC on this issue.

[FlDebra]

Thanks for that second reference link. It was good to learn some science behind the colors. I think I will just stay within standard. I read that the Yorkshire Terrier has been shown since 1870 -- that is a lot of years to remain the familiar black/blue and tan/gold.

[Breezeaway]

You have beautiful dogs parti, I too am a lover of the parti color. Hopefully AKC will change and update to a new day and time. If you look ,AKC hasnt changed anything on the Yorkshire Terrier since 1966......... 40 yrs..To me thats a long time not to renew any kind of standards. All dog breeds change to some extent after years and years. Yorkies arent even today what they were when they were first founded. I think the breed registries and YTCA should be more concerned about so many dogs being bred with health issues and size rather than the color of their hair. But this is JMO.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

The Breed Standard is being rewritten as we speak. The parti color and off colored yorkies is being as a disqualification, the only disqualification in the standard. YTCA is also working with AKC on this issue.

I don't quite understand what you are saying. Who is rewriting it. and what are they disqualifing. Off colors were already disqualified, but the AKC is registering them.

I'm guessing that in time there will be another category for the other colors. These things take time. Like I said organizations do not like chnge, but if they don't change new organizations will pop up to take their place. It's all a matter of membership numbers.

[Raymond's Mom]

I'm interested in hearing other people's opinions on what is a responsible breeder.[/QUOTE]
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Well, for starters a "responsible breeder" would educate themselves to the point that they'd know that breeding a nine month old bitch is WRONG!!! Period. And the person who's planning to do it better look for a new vet PDQ.

[Raymond's Mom]

The Biewer breeders can approach AKC and start the process of having thier breed recognized as Biewer Terriers. Not as a Yorkshire Terrier. Just as the Norfolk and Norwich Terriers are now two separate breeds. Many of the parti's in this country are nothing but mutts.

[Raymond's Mom]

AKC is in the business of making money by registering dogs. For example, they'll register a white german shepard but you can't show the dog. And that is what is happening with the Biewars. It's also my understanding that the Beiwars aren't recognized by FCI so they have a long way to go before they are a legitmate breed in any country.

People have been crossing breeds for years and hoping they'll become legitimate breeds. Remember the days of the Cockapoo!!! The breeders of these mutts, and that includes all the designer mutts that are appearing these days are just making quick bucks. As one person said, they're a novelty and buyers are willing to pay.

[YORKIEDOGSFG]

Originally Posted by Raymond's Mom

I'm interested in hearing other people's opinions on what is a responsible breeder.

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Well, for starters a "responsible breeder" would educate themselves to the point that they'd know that breeding a nine month old bitch is WRONG!!! Period. And the person who's planning to do it better look for a new vet PDQ.[/QUOTE]

Raymonds Mom
She stated her female was 9 months old in the photo, and she was going to breed her on her second heat. Not know.

[goldenray]

First understand what a standard is.
A standard is a picture of what a dog of a certain breed should look like. The standard is so that one breed will look like the breed in question rather than another. With the Yorkie being so close in looks to the Silky, the standard is more important than ever. Without a standard, the Yorkie very easily would look just like the Silky.

As for the standard changing, we are making some minor changes, which is all that is needed. Why would it change? No reason at all. No one should ever change a standard to fit fads. Has the Yorkie improved in the last 40 years? Certainly it has, thankfully to dedicated breeders striving to improve the breed as a whole.

Now just because AKC registers a color other than the proper color does not mean that is an acceptable color for show. It is not, and AKC doesn't decide the standard, YTCA does. AKC is only a registration body that issues registration papers, the parent clubs such as YTCA decides the standard for each breed and what they consider acceptable colors within the breed.

An improper color is just that, an improper color, to be placed s/n as a pet just as I would place as a pet, a dog with a bad bite, bad topline, etc. You can't expect to produce the very best unless breeding from the very best.

Can the breed improve more? Well I would hope anyone that breeds can answer yes to that question. Responsible breeders can and do try to protect the breeds from fads. They at all times breed to improve on the breed. How can they improve on the breed? This is an easy answer and should be for all breeders. They goal is to produce puppies where every single puppy is healthy, has great toplines, tailsets, front & rears, pretty heads with good earsets and bites and fabulous temperaments and that all are in size. Until every puppy falls in that category, there is still improvement that can be had in the breed overall. That improvement will come by breeding responsibly.

[daisy mae06]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

There's always someone.

I've heard the term "Responsible Breeder" thrown around so much it's ridiculous. If one breeder doesn't adhere to another breeders beliefs then they are labled as Irresponsible.

The self proclaimed "responsible Breeders" claim to breed only to better the breed. How much can one better it. Their dogs look just like everyone elses dogs.

They insist they don't breed for profit, then why on earth would they be breeding 6 or 7 or 8 or more dogs.

It's nothing more than a Buzz word used to make themselves feel superior to everyone else.

If people only bred for show, the cost of yorkies would be prohibitive to most of us on this forum.

IMO you are a responsible breeder if you
1.take care of your dogs,
2.breed only healthy dogs,
3.stand behind your puppies,
4.see that they are placed in good homes.

I'm interested in hearing other people's opinions on what is a responsible breeder.

Thank you Jeanie I feel The same very well Said

[Lorraine]

Reputable breeding covers the points JeanieK mentioned however, it does go a little further when you are talking about purebred dogs in my opinion, regardless of what breed you are talking about.
All purebred registered dogs have breed standards for their particular breed. Responsible breeding in my opinion, includes striving to breed to that standard. That means those that are really a pet quality, letting them go for pet on spay/neuter contracts or have them spay/neutered before letting them go to new homes not to be used for breeding to produce more and more puppies further and further away from the breed standard. OVer time you will get dogs that barely look like the breed they are supposed to be because you have not selected quality good representatives of the breed to produce your next generations.
Reputable breeding includes researching and knowing your pedigrees and knowing what is behind each and every one of those dogs and lines including what you need to continue to improve what you have. And that includes health and genetic issues.
The Yorkie right now is very popular and getting big bucks for many who are just breeding to sell puppies. It will be interesting to see who continues to breed them and who doesn't when the current popularity of the Yorkie runs its course, and that it will do eventually. It has happened so many times with so many breeds over the course of years.