Everyone I need your opinions

[fashionista]

Originally Posted by makemepretty

Oh crap, I was just going to suggest to Rachel to have this post removed by admin but it looks like Maria already came across it

I can say, as the person who posted the link to the myspace page that this poor dog was listed off and on for OVER a year on different websites and also on Myspace.

The price would change daily and sometimes a couple times a day. So would the weight(2.4 pounds somedays, other times 2 pounds, now I see it's 3) I feel sooo bad for Lola. The original owner obviously thinks of her as a possession, not a companion. I would not believe a word posted by her and I seriously doubt anyone really does believe her. This dog was for sale for a very very long time, please remember that.

I don't know if I feel worse for Lola who deserves a loving home where she is wanted or Rachel, who only wanted Lola to love and take care of and is now being put through the ringer. It sounds like Lola needs some medical care that Maria was not giving her and can NOT afford.

Lola has not been for sale for a 'very very long time'. I listed her last year around this time, for about two months, when I was working about 50 hours a week, and then I listed her again, extremely briefly, last month after she peed on my sofa. And I stated in the previous post that I made a hasty decision about putting her for sale. I've always had a MySpace page for her, and it only said she was for sale last year around this time, for like a month. And yes, last year the price would change daily...sometimes I'd make excuses to people I didn't want her to go to, and other times I was desperate to just find a great home for her. A great home to me involves spoiling her like I do, and being able to cover any cost that comes up....being able to pay a certain amount up front was comfort that someone could truly afford taking care of her. As for her size changing in the listings, first of all I've NEVER said she was two pounds, it's always been two pounds four ounces to three pounds. Again, I'd adjust the listing to what was actual.

You don't have any idea what I can or cannot afford. You have absolutely no idea whom you are speaking about. I can assure you, I can more than provide for Lola's medical care. I'm going to leave you with one tidbit so you shut up about money. My child support alone is $2400 a month, which is $600 a week, more than the average person earns at their job! Not only do I also have a great job, which I'm currently on medical leave, but I also have extensive rental property, and if my mother is buying me a Yorkie for Christmas as ONE of my presents, doesn't that tell you anything about my family's means?!

Please make sure you know what you're talking about before you start spewing crap.

[sweetr72]

Originally Posted by oopsmyhalofello

Wow Maria you really are quite an angry juvenile person aren't you. Coming on here to stick up for your self and throwing names at people you don't even know is not going to make you believable.. this is laughable.

Every person who I have even known to throw around how they have more money, higher status as far as class goes or whatever BS they think people will somehow rank them by is just talking out of the azz anyway. So, there you go as far as how you have proven your credibility Maria. The truth is you don't have a leg to stand on. You don't even deserve to have a pet, they are a life long commitment and when you get one you don't sell it off for ANY reason.

Rachel, hon you have nothing to worry about. I KNOW we have many real attorneys that would be more then happy to offer you advice, although you really won't need it.

Exactly!! Rachel dont even give her the satisfaction!! You DO NOT have to defend yourself on this thread...WE will do that FOR you!! There is no class with this woman..the child support statement was enough for me to laugh her off...if she thinks she can throw around her child support wealth and put any of us down..she has another thing coming LOL..

Dawn

[Yorkiesforever]

This is getting interesting?

[daisy mae06]

Originally Posted by flutterby

I usually don't post on this kind of stuff, but I've been following the thread from day 1 and also saw her ad on puppyfind (I had been looking for a new addition since January).

I'm in Business Law right now (we're learning about contracts) and in order for a contract to be legit there has to clear terms.. The whole "time frame" is not clear.. So they may end up throwing that part out.. It all boils down to: she sold Lola to you, therefore she is yours..

That would be like my breeder selling my two girls to me (3 weeks ago) and then calling me back today saying she wanted them back.. Get out of here..

Rachel, stick to your guns and fight for her. My mother went through the same thing when she bought her Golden Retriever.. Owner wanted her back, kids missed her dearly, blah blah blah.. Long story short: My mom kept her..

If you'd like me to quote anything out of my Business Law book, let me know. And it is up to date.. We wouldn't learning about it in college if it wasn't correct..

Wonderful post

[hha]

I think this needs closed, and the two of you work this out!

[rachelsyorkie]

I really apologize to all of you for getting you involved.

[fashionista]

Originally Posted by rachelsyorkie

Maria

I do have lolas best interest in mind. I am sorry you feel betrayed. I wasnt trying to make you out to be a monster. You are just to busy for lola & not aware that yorkies have health issues & need to have a check up now & then. I would have had her checked before thinking about selling her. The only reason I would have said anything about my boys size is if you asked how big he was going to be & I answered I didnt know, although I dont recall us talking about him at all. And when you say a vet has okd her for breeding, you are saying she is healthy because vets do not ok dogs with genetic defects for breeding. You've also listed her as akc, but never can produce papers. You know I may have said once because you were mentioning selling her to a breeder that I would try to come up with your price because I thought I had it on my credit card but then had to email back & say I didnt have it & just couldnt put my family in that position & begged you not to sell her to a breeder many ,many times. Thats why when you once again wanted to sell her you right off that bat said she is breedable because you know how i feel about her & that kills me. I am willing to pay the $750-$1000 for her knee surgery & anything else she needs. I am happy for you if your child support is more than my pay check is. What it comes down to is that I dont care if her age & color are different and she has no papers, although I did ask you those questions & for updated pics many times. I just thought you could be more fair. I want to give her the best life.

That part is true. I have not gotten you the AKC papers because I don't have them, which I've told you. When I got Lola, I received the initial papers from the breeder, which you have to mail back in to AKC. I never did it, because I don't care anything about that stuff. When I listed her for sale last year, I called the breeder and I had to have her fill out a new form requesting the new registration papers. The papers were sent back to the breeder, not me, and by that time, I had decided to not let Lola go, and I've never contacted the breeder again to get the new forms. I assume since I paid for it, that she probably still has them. I would have to get them from her, fill them out, and mail them back to AKC. I told you I was willing to do that!

I'm not posting anymore, this is your place, and I only intended to make my first post, but I get so angry at all the things that are untrue that you have written. Clearly these people like you quite a bit, like I did in the beginning, when I only knew you online.

Like I've said before, you know I've been honest with you, and you know what's right, and you're the one that has to deal with the karma you incur.

If you want to take it as far as court, I'm more than willing. At this point, after all you've written, you could be responsible for more than the dog. After all this bulls**t, I'll even give you the extra money you asked for, for your expensives, and I'll make the drive back to Cincinnati to get her, just give me my dog back! As you have learned, I'm a VERY smart girl, and I'm sure you don't want me to make your life hell.

[girdygirl]

good luck with everything and I hope you get to keep Lola. Seems she cant make up her mind about selling or keeping Lola.Just because her child miss's Lola he isnt going to be the one caring for Lola and if she is sick now she will not have time for Lola.

[chachi]

I have been following this thread but havent said too much sorry. However I wouldnt return Lola if I were you

[meglaulanmar]

Ask her if you can give her a try w/ your family. If she is getting rid of a dog that old there has to be a problem (imo). Housebreaking nightmare?

I also think 2000 is way too much for a 3yr old but not 1000.... if it is house broken. I sometimes keep pups for longer... housebreak and love them and still sell them for the same.... the house breaking is a FULL time job and WAY worth 1,000 to a lot of people. If she is housebroken think of it as 500 for the dog and 500 for the house breaking. ALOT of people can't housebreak which is why I do that with some of my puppies. For that matter I can't house break my own as well as someone else's lol.

[rachelsyorkie]

Originally Posted by meglaulanmar

Ask her if you can give her a try w/ your family. If she is getting rid of a dog that old there has to be a problem (imo). Housebreaking nightmare?

I also think 2000 is way too much for a 3yr old but not 1000.... if it is house broken. I sometimes keep pups for longer... housebreak and love them and still sell them for the same.... the house breaking is a FULL time job and WAY worth 1,000 to a lot of people. If she is housebroken think of it as 500 for the dog and 500 for the house breaking. ALOT of people can't housebreak which is why I do that with some of my puppies. For that matter I can't house break my own as well as someone else's lol.

She isnt housebroke but I am working hard at it

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by fashionista

Rachel...

You should be smarter than posting MySpace bulletins when you are drunk. You said you spend all your time on Yorkie Talk, so I came here to check it out, and I am beyond horrified at everything you've wrote. I've talked to you for a year now, and I trusted you, and thought of you as a friend. You have me on your top MySpace friends for God's sake.

You are soooo not being honest. You're making me out to be this horrible person that I'm not, and making yourself look like an innocent angel.

You've failed to mention that I put Lola on PuppyFind for $2000, but as soon as you told me you wanted her, I gave her to you for $1000. You gave me $500, and I gave you until January 1st to pay me the rest!! Who would do that for you?? I had three other serious inquiries on PuppyFind, but I knew you really wanted her and would take care of her. You neglect to also mention that you offered me $3000 last year for her, but I changed my mind about selling her then. I was only letting her go because of my work schedule and her lack of potty training. I get frustrated with her accidents, and have made hasty decisions about posting her for sale.

You also haven't shared why we decided we want her back. My six year old son was at my parent's home on fall break when I decided to let Lola go with Rachel. Since Lola is primarily my dog, and my son has a Golden Retriever, I didn't think he would be too upset. I was wrong. He's asked me every night when Lola's coming home (I told him she may or may not be coming back, that she's on vacation with other Yorkies), and when I asked him what he wanted for Christmas, he said that he wants Lola to come back! And now that I'm not working, I will have plenty of time with her.

That's another HUGE thing you've left out.....why I'm not working! I could pay you right now, but I'd rather not. I'm sorry, but with three trips to the ER at $150 a piece, five doctor visits with my co-pay being $30, and numerous prescriptions in the past month, finances are a bit tight. I've told you the minute I receive my monthly check, the money is yours. You complain about having to care for her, at your expense, until I get her back. I am the one who drove an hour and a half each way, from Indianapolis to Cincinnati, to take her to you, I think that just about covers the cost of feeding her for a few weeks.

I sent you a very nice email, saying that we all miss Lola, and asking how you felt about her coming back to us, I was very considerate of your feelings. You called me the next day, talking about her health problems, and said you didn't mind at all her coming back to us! Then the next day, you call me again, talking about having me write you a statement saying that I void the contract. The first time you called, you were trying to get me to take money off the dog, the second time you called, you were trying to trick me into writing something to could leverage you to be able to keep the dog. I'm a little more intelligent than you honey.

The contract says if at any point Rachel determines that Lola is not adjusting, she will return Lola. All money paid to Maria will be repaid to Rachel within three weeks from the date of termination. That's the only thing it says about three weeks. It also states, if at any point before January 1st, 2008 Maria wants to terminate this contract she will pay Rachel her full deposit at time of termination. Termination babe, is when we exchange Lola and the money. As for the microchipping suggestion, I've printed every page of this thread, so that option is out. If you looked closely at my MySpace page, maybe you noticed that one of my very best friends is an attorney. One of the benefits of that is, of course, free legal help. But truly, I promise you money is of no issue. I would bet my child support alone is more than you earn.

You made some inane remark about me slinging my dog around in her carrier. I told you, I put her in there twice, she got sick, so I never put her in again. You're the one with the lovely fake Vuitton carrier, carting your poor dog around everywhere. A dog is not a status symbol to me. At work, we make fun of girls who cart their doggies around. Soooo cheesy, and such wannabes. A dog doesn't buy you class Rachel. It's just about as classy as your fake bags. You're so 'hood rich' it hurts.

The only reason you want Lola is because of how small and pretty she is. My mom bought Lola for me, for Christmas, and I could care less about her size or her breed really. I bet you haven't told the people on here the reason you are not keeping your male puppy. When I asked you if you were keeping him, you said I don't know, I don't know how big he's going to get. Nice.

Go ahead and spay Lola. I know nothing about breeding, I don't want another dog, and I don't need the money. Hey Genius, when I told you the vet said she was clear to breed, did you ever think maybe I was trying to see what your reaction was?? And no, we will not be selling her. I love my dog, my family loves my dog, and now that I'll be home to work with her, she's definitely not going anywhere. And now that I've seen what type of person you are, I realize I made a huge mistake.

I always stand up for what is right, and I'm not going to allow you to lie about me. You will return my dog, and I will return your money. End of story. I think you know by now to not cross me anymore than you have.


Maria

So your reason for wanting her back is because your 6-year old son wants her back? He's 6 years old - he's not old enough to own a dog (you say the golden is his). Taking the dog back because your child misses her is not the right reason! A dog is an adult's responsibility and if YOU are not the one that wanted her enough to keep her in the first place, then you need to leave her where she is! She's adjusted to her new home and looks to be in a great home with an owner that loves her. Do what is best for this little dog and leave her where she is. You say you have time for her right now since you aren't working, but what happens if you go back to work? What if you don't have time for her again later? Also, there is no way you really love and care for Lola - someone who really loves their dog (most of us here think of our yorkies as our children!) would never put them for sale on puppyfinder or any other one of those crappy selling sites! And we certainly wouldn't be asking $2000 or $3000 for them if we needed to rehome them. Looks to me like you were trying to make quite a bit of money off a dog that was just given to you by your mother.

And your little paragraph about Rachel carrying her dogs around in carriers and it being so cheezy - you honestly should have just kept your mouth shut about that! Have you ever stopped to think that she LOVES having her babies with her all the time and that's why she carries them around with her? You making fun of those of us that take our dogs everywhere with us proves to me even further that you don't love your dog! You think of her as just a dog - your possession... Rachel is not the one that thinks of her as a possession...you do!

Do the right thing and let Lola stay with someone who truly cares about her and wants her! If you want to make money off of something, do it with something non-living. And buy your son stuffed animals from now on so you don't continue to teach him that live animals can be sold to the highest bidder and then contantly rehomed!

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

So your reason for wanting her back is because your 6-year old son wants her back? He's 6 years old - he's not old enough to own a dog (you say the golden is his). Taking the dog back because your child misses her is not the right reason! A dog is an adult's responsibility and if YOU are not the one that wanted her enough to keep her in the first place, then you need to leave her where she is! She's adjusted to her new home and looks to be in a great home with an owner that loves her. Do what is best for this little dog and leave her where she is. You say you have time for her right now since you aren't working, but what happens if you go back to work? What if you don't have time for her again later? Also, there is no way you really love and care for Lola - someone who really loves their dog (most of us here think of our yorkies as our children!) would never put them for sale on puppyfinder or any other one of those crappy selling sites! And we certainly wouldn't be asking $2000 or $3000 for them if we needed to rehome them. Looks to me like you were trying to make quite a bit of money off a dog that was just given to you by your mother.

And your little paragraph about Rachel carrying her dogs around in carriers and it being so cheezy - you honestly should have just kept your mouth shut about that! Have you ever stopped to think that she LOVES having her babies with her all the time and that's why she carries them around with her? You making fun of those of us that take our dogs everywhere with us proves to me even further that you don't love your dog! You think of her as just a dog - your possession... Rachel is not the one that thinks of her as a possession...you do!

Do the right thing and let Lola stay with someone who truly cares about her and wants her! If you want to make money off of something, do it with something non-living. And buy your son stuffed animals from now on so you don't continue to teach him that live animals can be sold to the highest bidder and then contantly rehomed!

I can't think of a thing to add- you said it perfectly!

[sweetr72]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

So your reason for wanting her back is because your 6-year old son wants her back? He's 6 years old - he's not old enough to own a dog (you say the golden is his). Taking the dog back because your child misses her is not the right reason! A dog is an adult's responsibility and if YOU are not the one that wanted her enough to keep her in the first place, then you need to leave her where she is! She's adjusted to her new home and looks to be in a great home with an owner that loves her. Do what is best for this little dog and leave her where she is. You say you have time for her right now since you aren't working, but what happens if you go back to work? What if you don't have time for her again later? Also, there is no way you really love and care for Lola - someone who really loves their dog (most of us here think of our yorkies as our children!) would never put them for sale on puppyfinder or any other one of those crappy selling sites! And we certainly wouldn't be asking $2000 or $3000 for them if we needed to rehome them. Looks to me like you were trying to make quite a bit of money off a dog that was just given to you by your mother.

And your little paragraph about Rachel carrying her dogs around in carriers and it being so cheezy - you honestly should have just kept your mouth shut about that! Have you ever stopped to think that she LOVES having her babies with her all the time and that's why she carries them around with her? You making fun of those of us that take our dogs everywhere with us proves to me even further that you don't love your dog! You think of her as just a dog - your possession... Rachel is not the one that thinks of her as a possession...you do!

Do the right thing and let Lola stay with someone who truly cares about her and wants her! If you want to make money off of something, do it with something non-living. And buy your son stuffed animals from now on so you don't continue to teach him that live animals can be sold to the highest bidder and then contantly rehomed!

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by sweetr72

LOL, great minds think alike! We posted the same thing at the same time.