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Old 07-18-2007, 05:32 PM   #46
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We all just try and educate people about the horrows of puppy mills, and when someone does know that buying a dog in a pet store just puts money in those millers pockets and keeps him in business, but goes right ahead and buys anyway, then you have just been responsible for killing other dogs. It has to stop, but if everyone keeps saying they need a home too, it never will. I tell people not to even go into a store that sells dogs. It simply MUST stop. We also need laws on the books that only so many dogs allowed in a family and NONE are to be kept outside 24-7 or in cages.
Your going to be calling on all these folks here at YT wanting help because your dog is sick. These dogs are generally in very bad health from unethical breeding practices. I've seen it too many times where people are spending thousands trying to keep their pet shop dogs well. You should really reconsider what your about to do.
Agreed. I have a few other things I would like to add, but obviously it's not going to do any good.

I wonder how long it'll take the pet store to replace that one puppy you are buying with another one? So sad.
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I dont think she needs to be put down..thats not what YT is all about...you dont have to support her decision...and you also dont have to post on her thread if you dont agree...calling someone narrow minded or any name calling isnt needed...there are rules...

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i dont think she was calling her narrowminded i think that since were posting we cant see the way that ppl are saying things... it would be soo nice to have a webcam so we can see how ppl ment to say things yup yup yup.
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wait isnt there a way we can find out if this pup is from a mill you know thru papers and stuff kind of like how they are doing the investigation on britany spears about her yorkie and if it is a mill we can shut them down wouldnt that be nice??????
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I very strongly disagree with this. That is the same mentality as saying, why should I vote? One vote doesn't make a difference. Every single individual's actions do matter very much.

This is true only in a market that is driven by consumers. The government and large corporations drive the market in our economy, not individual consumers. The same is true for voting- we don't have a true democracy, which is the only situation for which your argument would stand. Like I said though, that is getting into another thread.


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Regarding the clicker, I think it does work great for some dogs, and it seemed to speed up the training for some of the dogs in Sukoshi's puppy training class, but Sukoshi herself was scared to death of the sound the clicker made, so we had to ixnay the idea of the clicker right away! You'll just have to see how Oliver reacts for that one! Good luck!!!
You can muffle the clicker by putting it into the sock so that it isn't as sharp sounding, and you can only click halfway (just push down and don't release the metal strip back up) The clicker just lets your dog know which behavior it is that they are getting praised for. It is more accurate than verbal praise, especially for commands like sit, when they need to know as soon as their tush hits the floor that it is what you wanted. It is supposed to be a positive reward though, so if the puppy is scared of it by all means don't use it!
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Congrats on your new baby, Oliver. My best advise to you regarding potty training...is...Take the puppy outside when you bring him home, first. Make sure he pottys...it may take awhile, be prepared...when he does...party, happy dance, praise like there's no tomorrow...and treat. Then and only then does his little paws touch your floors in the house.
I swear by this, Winston was trained on day one...absolutely no accidents. He knew from the beginning where he was suppose to go potty...outside, and he knew it made us VERY happy...and he got a treat. What more could a new puppy want??? Good luck...remember take him outside before you take him inside your house.
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great advice!!

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Congrats on your new baby, Oliver. My best advise to you regarding potty training...is...Take the puppy outside when you bring him home, first. Make sure he pottys...it may take awhile, be prepared...when he does...party, happy dance, praise like there's no tomorrow...and treat. Then and only then does his little paws touch your floors in the house.
I swear by this, Winston was trained on day one...absolutely no accidents. He knew from the beginning where he was suppose to go potty...outside, and he knew it made us VERY happy...and he got a treat. What more could a new puppy want??? Good luck...remember take him outside before you take him inside your house.
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You "rescuing" this puppy from it's cage is only going to cause another poor puppy to be placed in there when you bring yours home, and you are only subjecting it's parents to a hellish life I agree with the "congrats for supporting puppymills." I just can not fathom how someone can know how horrible puppymills are and still buy a dog from a petstore. I would never buy a puppy from a petstore no matter how sorry I felt for it. I also would not want to deal with getting a poorly bred dog - poor quality and the genetic health problems they are sure to come with. So congrats again for keeping puppymills and puppy-selling petstores in business
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Hi Everyone,
Well I haven't posted on here in a very very long time but I have very exciting news (to me at least!). I am picking up the cutest little Yorkiepoo in the whole world!

I have wanted a Yorkie for about 3 years but being that I just graduated from college I couldnt really afford one. So I have been looking at mixes for a year or so and thought I had my mind set on a Morkie. Until yesterday... I went to a pet store as I was wasting some time and absolutely fell in love with a little boy yorkiepoo. They had 2 other full bred yorkies in there but I loved this one. I went back twice yesterday just to see him. I almost convinced myself not to get him but decided I was crazy.. Ive always wanted one and he is PERFECT!

So I went back today and played with him for about 30 minutes and fell even more in love. I know some of you think I am crazy for not just waiting until I can get a full bred Yorkie but there is just something about this little guy. I'm going to get another one as soon as I can (and as soon as I move out) so he'll have a little friend. I live with my parents right now and we have 2 miniature dachshunds so he'll have someone to play with for now!

Okay well I have typed a novel now but I am just so excited!!! The question I really wanted to ask was.. What kind of potty training has worked for yall? I was thinking about getting him a kennel and leaving them in there when I leave and he can't come with and then taking him out when I'm home but I don't know if that'll be good. Please offer any advice you may have. Thank you SOOO much!!

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Oh, and his name is going to be Oliver. I liked Oliver and Bradley and for some reason Oliver just stuck. I'll take pictures as soon as I get him!!!
i mean you no harm honey, but a pet store you are supporting a puppy mill and the parents of that adorable pup are most likele suffering.i am sure you can find a yoeke poo alot cheaper from a home breeder.please excuse my lack of puncuation but my yorkie is sleeping in my right arm so i am pecking,or how about rescuing a yorkie or yorkie-poo.i don't mean to rain on your parade,but puppy stores are like chalk squeaking on the board.
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..thats not what YT is all about...you dont have to support her decision...and you also dont have to post on her thread if you dont agree...

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well... I strongly believe that knowing the true is extremely important in situation like this .

I really don't care if some people have some preferences re puppies, whatever. That's not my business. It is even understandable when people buy puppies in pet stores and do NOT know about puppy mills. But when some people know, and still try to "save" (hmmmm ) one cute puppy, when EACH PURCHASE GIVES support puppymillers???!!!

They ONLY way we can help if we each of us doen's buy there.

Let's all say: "it is OK", and never tell the true WHY is bad (for instance, online). Don"t you think we ALSO SUPPORT them by telling "it is Ok, this just a puppy"? Honestly?

Every person can make a difference .

I will be honest: I communicate in a few forums (most of them for foreiners who live in US) and always educate them re puppy mills/pet stores puppies.
Many people told me "thank you" because they were planning to buy a puppy in pet store, but because of information, they changed their mind. Thanks God!

Here is the video.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=65306643

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Yes, every person can make a difference. But not by boycotting. If you really are truly in your heart of hearts dedicated to stopping the use of puppy mills then you need to actually DO SOMETHING about it. Telling people how horrible it is, and boycotting despite the rising demand for puppies in petstores won't hurt the puppy mills at all. It is doing nothing. Calling the humane society to shut down a home where animals are being abused, is doing something. Appealing to larger companies who support puppy mills is doing something. Appealing to your state and federal government to support legislature outlawing abusive breeding practices (breeding practices, not selling pets) is doing something.

Sitting on the internet chiding someone.... doing nothing during the time that you could be doing something.
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I couldnt have said it better myself!!

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Yes, every person can make a difference. But not by boycotting. If you really are truly in your heart of hearts dedicated to stopping the use of puppy mills then you need to actually DO SOMETHING about it. Telling people how horrible it is, and boycotting despite the rising demand for puppies in petstores won't hurt the puppy mills at all. It is doing nothing. Calling the humane society to shut down a home where animals are being abused, is doing something. Appealing to larger companies who support puppy mills is doing something. Appealing to your state and federal government to support legislature outlawing abusive breeding practices (breeding practices, not selling pets) is doing something.

Sitting on the internet chiding someone.... doing nothing during the time that you could be doing something.
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BTW, just recently I have read one sad story. From Texas, btw !!!

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/pet_company.htm

We are family with two kids. Three weeks ago, we bought a puppy from the Pet Company Store in Danbury, CT for 1347.16. Few days later after the purchase our dog became sick. He couldn't breath. We brought him to the emergency room. On the next day doctor said that he has a very bad pneumonia. Boss (this is the dog's name) spent 5 days in the hospital (total cost is about 3000). Boss was released and we were glad that his is fine. However, yesterday he got very sick again. Today doctor told me that pneumonia is back. I paid another 1800 for 3 days in the hospital.

We signed a claim for The Pet Company and been told to wait 14 weeks for the result. I called to the store and told the representative that our dog is sick again. We don't have so much money to pay for all this hospital bills. The representative was nice in the beginning but than she said that it is our fault, that we didn't take a good care of our dog. She didn't want to give me any information or phone numbers of the manager or owner of the store.

I don't know what to do. I'm sure that they won't give us the money back. We spent almost 7000. The doctor said that Boss needs to be in the hospital for at least two more weeks and it's going to cost around 10000 more. However, his chances to survive are really poor. I don't have so much money. Even if they give us our money back, who's going to explain my kids that their puppy is going to die?

One family bought a basset. They have spent $8K in few weeks for vet bills. The puppy is STILL in vec clinic.

That girl was asking for advice how she can sue that store. I, and other people, adviced her to push the store about "puppuy mills". etc. As I know, they got scared and promised to return the bills, but I don't know the final result yet. Either, I don't know how thet poor puppy feels now. Vet told that puppy will be on medication all his life.

Although that girl did a mistake for buying a puppy in pet store, she is so good. She just didn't know about puppy mill problem that is ok, since she is from another country. She trying to sue the store NO MATTER she get money or no. She trys to collect all complains against that store.

Anyway, maybe my advice is crazy, but if you still want this puppy, tell them to sell it at wholesale price.

Do you want to know original prices for pet store puppies?

here you go:


http://www.stopwizardofclaws.com/Pup...tual_Cost.html
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Sitting on the internet chiding someone.... doing nothing during the time that you could be doing something.
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when people get educated, and tell me "thank you", and change their mind, and do not support PM and BYB because of "doing nothing online" , i am PROUD for that and yes, I AM "doing something" .
and ....oh, of course it is BESIDES what you mentioned to do

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maybe you are right about that, but I told how I feel about..
Honestly, I don't know HOW explain why she shouldn't buy that puppy.
Of course, it is her decision.

But pleeease, don't tell "congrat with new puppy" when people support puppy millers knowing about them. I feel that you support them also .
it is better to say nothing. Sorry.
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