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mistyinca · 07-05-2007, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by crystalsmom

I'm sorry but I still don't think she owes us a single word here on YT as long as the two of them can work it out.

True,

...unless she wants to start selling yorkies here again...

Shadow · 07-05-2007, 06:14 AM

I disagree,she is allowed to advertise on here. So, if anything she owes admin an explantion and imo if she doesn't set things straight , then she shouldn't be allowed to sell here any longer,has admin been notified of this Michcko?

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Originally Posted by crystalsmom

I'm sorry but I still don't think she owes us a single word here on YT as long as the two of them can work it out.

sweetsophia · 07-05-2007, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by crystalsmom

I'm sorry but I still don't think she owes us a single word here on YT as long as the two of them can work it out.

....and even if they can't...........

I agree. The only people she owes anything to are her puppies new parents. This is alot of the reason I do not post on YT anymore because of the seemingly public hangings that go on sometimes. This is not the time or the place for that. (I believe)

I have found this to be a great place for lots of information but hesitate to become to friendly or ask many questions because of the scrutiny of new breeders or for that matter apparently seasoned breeders.

Although I feel for the owners who have issues this is not the place to solve them and even though no one has really been that mean to Stacy I just feel this was not the place for these issues.

To those breeders both professional and show who post helpful answers and encouragement to those of us trying to establish a quality breeding program I applaud you. And although I do not post much know that I do read your answers to others questions and learn alot from them and truly appreciate it.

BamaFan121s · 07-05-2007, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mistyinca

True,

...unless she wants to start selling yorkies here again...

No one in their right mind could read this thread and want to sell ANYTHING here again.

And that really is a shame, but I can't see where this could possibly shed anything but a negative light on YT, sadly. Regardless to WHERE or WHO blame is placed.

sweetsophia · 07-05-2007, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

No one in their right mind could read this thread and want to sell ANYTHING here again.

And that really is a shame, but I can't see where this could possibly shed anything but a negative light on YT, sadly. Regardless to WHERE or WHO blame is placed.

I sadly agree!!

yorkiegirl83 · 07-05-2007, 08:40 AM

I don't think that we are "owed" an explanation, but if I were in the market to be buying a new puppy and read this thread, I would definitely want some sort of response to the issue to be able to read along w/all the positive threads about her. So, I can see the value of her responding to this for future buyers.

I completely understand that things come up in life, but all Stacy would have had to do is to email or call Michiko letting her know what was up... she seems super understanding and I'm sure she would have rather resolved it in any way than posting this thread.

I don't know the OP or the breeder personally enough to take sides, so that is not what I am doing at all.. I'm just saying that I can see why others on yt would want an explanation, or even just to know that Stacy is alright via a response on this thread or forum.

I feel very sympathetic for the breeder if something is going on, but in my opinion it does not excuse absolutely no communication with a past buyer to resolve an issue as big as this one. There is always access to a phone, if not the internet.. or there is always the mail...the breeder could have chosen to at least let the OP know what was going on.

JMHO

seainthecity · 07-05-2007, 09:39 AM

I feel that feedback on a seller is an excellent resource for new buyers. If someone is advertising themselves or receiving advertising in some way, whether directly or indirectly on a site, feedback should also be part of the forum. I own a saltwater fish store and there are several forums (Reef Central, frags.org, Reef Monkey, etc.) where hobbyists can both applaud and complain about store services/livestock. It allows me to know if there are problems I need to deal with and also lets others be better informed. Not only does it allow buyers to beware, but how fair would it be to come on here and read nothing but good about a breeder when there are negative aspects I can't find out about as well. There are so many folks who are new to pet ownership and need help in finding good sources for pets with high standards and integrity. This is what will shove the bad from the business and keep the good breeders going. Just do a search for info on yorkies and just about 90% of the topics that pop are sellers/breeders. Misleading forums...those that allow for positive feedback but discourage negative, are bad for any hobby or business. I love this place and hope that folks are able to post with legitimate concerns when the need is there. Just my 2 cents. Marcye

Doodlebug · 07-05-2007, 10:07 AM

I don't want to take sides but this is just my observation.

I have seen a lot of people on here give Stacy a lot of praise for her puppies and breeding. I believe she must be doing something right to get so much praise.

I also notice that Stacy has not posted in awhile. I am wondering if she has has some kind of personal tragedy or an illness or something that has been ongoing and she has not been able to get the paperwork or post on YT. Maybe her family does not know to post an explanation on YT. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt because of her reputation.

It is just hard for me to believe that someone with such a great reputation is just ignoring everyone for no apparent reason. The process of her getting the paperwork seems like it is not that complicated to do. There must be some explanation. Isn't there someone, a close friend maybe, who can get in contact with her?

Just my 2 cents worth.

judyeve · 07-05-2007, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by seainthecity

I feel that feedback on a seller is an excellent resource for new buyers. If someone is advertising themselves or receiving advertising in some way, whether directly or indirectly on a site, feedback should also be part of the forum. I own a saltwater fish store and there are several forums (Reef Central, frags.org, Reef Monkey, etc.) where hobbyists can both applaud and complain about store services/livestock. It allows me to know if there are problems I need to deal with and also lets others be better informed. Not only does it allow buyers to beware, but how fair would it be to come on here and read nothing but good about a breeder when there are negative aspects I can't find out about as well. There are so many folks who are new to pet ownership and need help in finding good sources for pets with high standards and integrity. This is what will shove the bad from the business and keep the good breeders going. Just do a search for info on yorkies and just about 90% of the topics that pop are sellers/breeders. Misleading forums...those that allow for positive feedback but discourage negative, are bad for any hobby or business. I love this place and hope that folks are able to post with legitimate concerns when the need is there. Just my 2 cents. Marcye

So that's where that cool name comes from!

I agree that this should be posted, but not in this forum. It belongs in the Breeders, Vets and Groomers Review Forum, which is specifically set up for feedback. This thread, in this forum, is so totally inappropriate. We're talking about 3 issues with a breeder who has a stellar reputation here. On the Breeder's Review Forum, the potential buyer would see these 3 problems and make their decision. On this forum, we have 18 pages and 262 posts. That's just not about feedback anymore!

This was a terrible disservice to YTers who use this site properly. It's very negative, nothing was accomplished and this breeder's reputation is now being questioned. As far as support from the YT community for those who had problems, that's what pm's are for rather than trashing someone else's reputation by a public posting.

Those with sick dogs always need and deserve support. That can be discussed without even mentioning the breeder's name. Again, the problem with the breeder should be posted in the Breeder's Review Forum so that potential buyers are made aware and that's a topic in itself.

michiko · 07-05-2007, 05:05 PM

Stacy can post here, and advertise her puppies here. I am not here to have a control over that.

I have started this post not only because I wanted to see if she would respond to this thread after trying to reach her so many times... I also wanted to make sure that people didn't get into same situation because I have praised her so much in the past.

Again I meant every single words that I said about her. I was very pleased with her and enjoyed our friendship, and I am very happy with Haruka. The point is that I felt accountable to tell all since I only shared positive sides of it. Yes she must have done something right to deserve all the praises that people said including myself. I don't think anyone has lied about that. In fact, I felt that she was the best breeder I could ask for. However the things changed.... As I am NOT perfect, people make mistakes.... So that is where I stand. And I also wanted to express that I was serious about this AKC paper.

Anyway.. I am just sharing my experience, that is all...

So thanks everyone!

Michiko

doortego · 07-05-2007, 08:36 PM

I don't know either of those involved in this problem but I do feel that if the breeders are using this site to advertise animals to sell they must be willing to take the feedback of those who have purchased animals from them.

If I had come on YT and posted favorable reviews for a breeder and later had a problem, I would also feel as if I should post the negative as well as the positive. Hopefully, if there is a reasonable reason for this mix up, the breeder will be willing to post it so that others can make an informed decision about future purchases.

I just wish that anyone who buys anything over the internet would be very very careful. I personally cannot imagine buying something as special as my puppy sight unseen from someone on the internet.

As much as I enjoy Yorkie Talk, someone posting or even donating to this site, doesn't make them reputable, trustworthy or honest.

judyeve · 07-05-2007, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by michiko

Stacy can post here, and advertise her puppies here. I am not here to have a control over that.

I have started this post not only because I wanted to see if she would respond to this thread after trying to reach her so many times... I also wanted to make sure that people didn't get into same situation because I have praised her so much in the past.

Again I meant every single words that I said about her. I was very pleased with her and enjoyed our friendship, and I am very happy with Haruka. The point is that I felt accountable to tell all since I only shared positive sides of it. Yes she must have done something right to deserve all the praises that people said including myself. I don't think anyone has lied about that. In fact, I felt that she was the best breeder I could ask for. However the things changed.... As I am NOT perfect, people make mistakes.... So that is where I stand. And I also wanted to express that I was serious about this AKC paper.

Anyway.. I am just sharing my experience, that is all...

So thanks everyone!

Michiko

That's nice for you. You did it in the wrong forum.

txshopper73 · 07-05-2007, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by judyeve

That's nice for you. You did it in the wrong forum.

And if admin sees fit, they can move the entire thread to the "correct" forum. I know that admin has seen this yet it remains in General Discussion?

Dan & Corinne · 07-05-2007, 10:00 PM

I'm so saddened that this issue still has not been addressed and resolved. What a shame.

If you shop on ebay there is a rating system for buyers to know if they are dealing with a reputable person. I find that to be a very important tool for my protection. It tells me the person I am making the purchase from is responsible and will send me the product I purchased in the condition it was advertised to be.

I feel the same principal applies here for people who are looking for a breeder. Negative reviews are just as important as the positive ones and more importantly, there needs to be an explanation of how the problem was resolved. Problems happen and if the seller corrects the problem to the buyers satisfaction it builds confidence in future clients.

As for the AKC paper. Here is a different way of looking at it... It's like a certificate of authenticity for an autographed memorabila, an antique or collector's item. It's proof that your puppy is an AKC puppy as advertized.

When Michiko first started this thread, I felt as long as the problem was solved privately, I don't need to know how it was resolved. But after this many posts and days has passed, I do feel Stacy does need to address the issues and post an explanation (for potential future customers) if she wants to continue to grow her business here on Yorkie Talk. With each post and day that passes without a resolution, she is hurting herself more and more.

On the other hand with all the demand for Yorkie puppies, I don't doubt she will do just fine by advertising in other media outside of Yorkie Talk.

This just makes me feel really sad for all parties involved including Stacy.

seainthecity · 07-05-2007, 10:05 PM

Are reviews or favorable comments about breeders confined only to the breeder area? If so, then I agree that's where this review should be as well. But if mention of breeders is allowed in this area, then all reviews should be allowed here as well. Not trying to be difficult, but I've never looked at the breeder section, and this thread has made me aware of how important it is to research before you buy. As this is surely one of the best Yorkie Forums I've found, I would think worthwhile discussion would be encouraged. Also, the original poster seems truly dismayed by all this and sharing her plight for support from others seems very much in line with many of the posts here in this section. It would be great if the breeder did indeed do a follow up post. It does seem that if she was highly regarded here, that something has happened that can explain the situation and assure other yorkie-parent-hopefuls that they can trust her service. I have a forum and I do move some posts if they are not in appropriate areas, but some just span several topic areas and therefore are left alone. I really do hope, for everyone's well being, that this has a positive outcome.

07-05-2007, 09:39 AM	#262
seainthecity Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orlando Posts: 103	Negative feedback essential! I feel that feedback on a seller is an excellent resource for new buyers. If someone is advertising themselves or receiving advertising in some way, whether directly or indirectly on a site, feedback should also be part of the forum. I own a saltwater fish store and there are several forums (Reef Central, frags.org, Reef Monkey, etc.) where hobbyists can both applaud and complain about store services/livestock. It allows me to know if there are problems I need to deal with and also lets others be better informed. Not only does it allow buyers to beware, but how fair would it be to come on here and read nothing but good about a breeder when there are negative aspects I can't find out about as well. There are so many folks who are new to pet ownership and need help in finding good sources for pets with high standards and integrity. This is what will shove the bad from the business and keep the good breeders going. Just do a search for info on yorkies and just about 90% of the topics that pop are sellers/breeders. Misleading forums...those that allow for positive feedback but discourage negative, are bad for any hobby or business. I love this place and hope that folks are able to post with legitimate concerns when the need is there. Just my 2 cents. Marcye Last edited by seainthecity; 07-05-2007 at 09:44 AM.

07-05-2007, 10:07 AM	#263
Doodlebug ♥Love My Puppies!♥ Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: US Posts: 5,786	I don't want to take sides but this is just my observation. I have seen a lot of people on here give Stacy a lot of praise for her puppies and breeding. I believe she must be doing something right to get so much praise. I also notice that Stacy has not posted in awhile. I am wondering if she has has some kind of personal tragedy or an illness or something that has been ongoing and she has not been able to get the paperwork or post on YT. Maybe her family does not know to post an explanation on YT. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt because of her reputation. It is just hard for me to believe that someone with such a great reputation is just ignoring everyone for no apparent reason. The process of her getting the paperwork seems like it is not that complicated to do. There must be some explanation. Isn't there someone, a close friend maybe, who can get in contact with her? Just my 2 cents worth. __________________ RIP My Sweet Darling Angel Daisy 08/09/03 - 10/02/15, RIP My Sweet Baby Boy Teddy Bear 02/01/04 - 02/11/16 Photos HERE

07-05-2007, 05:05 PM	#265
michiko The Yorkie Sitter Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 2,350	Stacy can post here, and advertise her puppies here. I am not here to have a control over that. I have started this post not only because I wanted to see if she would respond to this thread after trying to reach her so many times... I also wanted to make sure that people didn't get into same situation because I have praised her so much in the past. Again I meant every single words that I said about her. I was very pleased with her and enjoyed our friendship, and I am very happy with Haruka. The point is that I felt accountable to tell all since I only shared positive sides of it. Yes she must have done something right to deserve all the praises that people said including myself. I don't think anyone has lied about that. In fact, I felt that she was the best breeder I could ask for. However the things changed.... As I am NOT perfect, people make mistakes.... So that is where I stand. And I also wanted to express that I was serious about this AKC paper. Anyway.. I am just sharing my experience, that is all... So thanks everyone! Michiko __________________ Michiko (Ethicist) and Haruka(Fragrance of Spring Flowers) [/URL][/COLOR] Last edited by michiko; 07-05-2007 at 05:06 PM.

07-05-2007, 08:36 PM	#266
doortego Little Bit & Buttons Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: US Posts: 2,160	I don't know either of those involved in this problem but I do feel that if the breeders are using this site to advertise animals to sell they must be willing to take the feedback of those who have purchased animals from them. If I had come on YT and posted favorable reviews for a breeder and later had a problem, I would also feel as if I should post the negative as well as the positive. Hopefully, if there is a reasonable reason for this mix up, the breeder will be willing to post it so that others can make an informed decision about future purchases. I just wish that anyone who buys anything over the internet would be very very careful. I personally cannot imagine buying something as special as my puppy sight unseen from someone on the internet. As much as I enjoy Yorkie Talk, someone posting or even donating to this site, doesn't make them reputable, trustworthy or honest. Last edited by doortego; 07-05-2007 at 08:39 PM.

07-05-2007, 10:00 PM	#269
Dan & Corinne Inactive Account Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 4,387	I'm so saddened that this issue still has not been addressed and resolved. What a shame. If you shop on ebay there is a rating system for buyers to know if they are dealing with a reputable person. I find that to be a very important tool for my protection. It tells me the person I am making the purchase from is responsible and will send me the product I purchased in the condition it was advertised to be. I feel the same principal applies here for people who are looking for a breeder. Negative reviews are just as important as the positive ones and more importantly, there needs to be an explanation of how the problem was resolved. Problems happen and if the seller corrects the problem to the buyers satisfaction it builds confidence in future clients. As for the AKC paper. Here is a different way of looking at it... It's like a certificate of authenticity for an autographed memorabila, an antique or collector's item. It's proof that your puppy is an AKC puppy as advertized. When Michiko first started this thread, I felt as long as the problem was solved privately, I don't need to know how it was resolved. But after this many posts and days has passed, I do feel Stacy does need to address the issues and post an explanation (for potential future customers) if she wants to continue to grow her business here on Yorkie Talk. With each post and day that passes without a resolution, she is hurting herself more and more. On the other hand with all the demand for Yorkie puppies, I don't doubt she will do just fine by advertising in other media outside of Yorkie Talk. This just makes me feel really sad for all parties involved including Stacy. __________________ Jazzie Jolie Jen & I'm Corinne Loving Memory of Jewel 4/28/2003~4/18/2006

07-05-2007, 08:40 AM	#261
yorkiegirl83 Love My Furbabies! Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: somewhere Posts: 4,427	I don't think that we are "owed" an explanation, but if I were in the market to be buying a new puppy and read this thread, I would definitely want some sort of response to the issue to be able to read along w/all the positive threads about her. So, I can see the value of her responding to this for future buyers. I completely understand that things come up in life, but all Stacy would have had to do is to email or call Michiko letting her know what was up... she seems super understanding and I'm sure she would have rather resolved it in any way than posting this thread. I don't know the OP or the breeder personally enough to take sides, so that is not what I am doing at all.. I'm just saying that I can see why others on yt would want an explanation, or even just to know that Stacy is alright via a response on this thread or forum. I feel very sympathetic for the breeder if something is going on, but in my opinion it does not excuse absolutely no communication with a past buyer to resolve an issue as big as this one. There is always access to a phone, if not the internet.. or there is always the mail...the breeder could have chosen to at least let the OP know what was going on. JMHO

07-05-2007, 10:05 PM	#270
seainthecity Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orlando Posts: 103	Are reviews or favorable comments about breeders confined only to the breeder area? If so, then I agree that's where this review should be as well. But if mention of breeders is allowed in this area, then all reviews should be allowed here as well. Not trying to be difficult, but I've never looked at the breeder section, and this thread has made me aware of how important it is to research before you buy. As this is surely one of the best Yorkie Forums I've found, I would think worthwhile discussion would be encouraged. Also, the original poster seems truly dismayed by all this and sharing her plight for support from others seems very much in line with many of the posts here in this section. It would be great if the breeder did indeed do a follow up post. It does seem that if she was highly regarded here, that something has happened that can explain the situation and assure other yorkie-parent-hopefuls that they can trust her service. I have a forum and I do move some posts if they are not in appropriate areas, but some just span several topic areas and therefore are left alone. I really do hope, for everyone's well being, that this has a positive outcome.