The Hardest Post for me to write...

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by s13silviagirl

Can this thread get back on track now?

Hopefully.........

[Dartprincess]

Originally Posted by Dan & Corinne

You know what? I didn't know what OP was at first.... All I can read it as was Ocean Pacific! Kept on thinking what's Op? Operation? Operator? Option? Ocean Pacific? Out Post? Other Post? finally when I got to page 7 or 8 I realized.... Original Poster!!!!

I'm soooo lame!

If your lame we are in the same boat I thought it meant Other People. lol

[Tiger's Mom]

Originally Posted by s13silviagirl

How? She is the one not responding to he clients. There has been in NO WAY anything that would harm her reputation any more than her ignoring people that have dealt with her in the past.





I agree, Michiko should probably seek legal representation. More might get done. BUT, the fact that she (unlike so many Americans nowa days) chose not to jump to a lawsuit says a lot about her. She is giving the benefit of the doubt. She is providing the opportunity for a wrong to be made right. How many people truly do that this day in age? I applaud her for using every means possible before reverting to legal action for breach of contract.


As far as evidence, how can she show you that she does not have the AKC papers? Does she need to show you email correspondence? Phone bills? Gas receipts from her travels to the breeder? Seriously come on. You yourself said that the breeder shouldnt have to prove anything to anyone on this board, yet you are asking Michiko to prove to you her being wronged? I raise the BS flag on that.


Would I want that done to me? First off, I would not put myself in that situation. I would hold myself to that contract. Have you put yourself in Michkio's shoes? Have you not been disrespectful to her? Her feelings? Now, if this other party decides to post then guess what. We (including Michiko) would have that "OTHER" side of the story. Do you honestly think that had Michiko had the breeders story, her side, some inkling of what was going on that she would have posted here...

I know I wouldn't have if I knew what was going on with my situation. Papers or not.




Look at it this way. You bought a used car. The owner says "I'll give you the pink slip as soon as you get insurance on it"; you get your insurance as per the contract and go to get your pink slip only to not be able to get ahold of the person you bought the vehicle from. No returned phone calls, no returned emails. They have no correspondence with you. You want your pink slip. How would you feel? You PAID for it didn't you? I would think that you would want that piece of paper that you PAID for, and was in your contract.


I am not normally one to get heated on an internet forum. IT IS JUST THE INTERNET! It is a TOOL. A TOOL is all that Michiko is using this forum as. A TOOL to get what is rightfully hers. Please, grow up. I have no relation to anyone on here, have no clue who Stacy is, nor Michiko. But I can also see when someone is stirring up drama just to cause it. I honestly hope that this thread does not get locked and that this crap drama resides. There is no need for it. Freedom of speech is in full effect throughout the internet. Not everyone has the same opinion, and obviously yours differs from the majority. I can respect that. Hell, that is what I go to work everyday to defend. Your right to say what you wish. But, there is no need to step on Michiko's thread and say that she is running this breeders name through the mud when you are trying to drag this thread through it as well.

[Tiger's Mom]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Prehaps, since I am a breeder I see this from an angle that is different...
We have ethic's, we have our word..and not much else that counts.

If I breed the finest Yorkies in the world and do not honor my word, nothing else matters IMO...it is all for nothing!
If I breed a puppy with a health problem, screw up the AKC papers or whatever...and I make it right with the buyer..honor my guarantee, return the money, call and support, anythign it takes..then you must say I am ethical and a woman of my word..we all make mistakes, we all can have problems with health and maybe AKC problems through errors, that is not the point, it is ethic's.

Cher, of Goldenray is a warrior about ethic's and that is why I like her, so few have them today.

Reporting a breeder to the AKC is not an evil thing to do IF you have a problem that it AKC related. You are doing the breeder a favor by getting them back on the right track..
I, totally expect a buyer to report me if I fail to honor my guarantee or word related to AKC...I will bitch and moan, but I will also get my act together for the breed I love, if I want to continue.

[kelsie123186]

michiko, I have followed this post from the beggining and so far have not commented, however I just wanted to say this.
I am a fairly new YT member and have gained so much knowledge from just the last few months. YT for me,( and im sure most other members) has become a place I know I can come and get honest opinions, and answers to questions. I appreciate so much that you came forward In a very diplomatic way to explain your situation. I really commend the fact that even though there have been some immature posts and some ridicule directed at you, you have continued to remain mature and even slightly witty. I also think you have been so patient and maybe even a little too patient with sylvan. I personally would have already had this issue in court. My family has owned a business all my life and growing up with that I am very business minded. Like so many others have said this was a business transaction and should be handled like one. If someone purchases furniture from my fathers business and we go to deliver, all the furniture isnt there, or something is damaged, we fix it right away. Wether we need to give a rufund, repair the damages, whatever needs to be done. We need to fix it. Otherwise we would be sued! When there is a contract the business MUST hold to their end of the bargain. They are legally bound to follow the rules of the contract. If I were you this lady would be in court and I would be suing her for the total cost of the puppy plus damages, I would claim that I was intending on breeding my baby but opted not to because I really wanted the akc papers and the deal stated that I had to spay my girl if I wanted the papers. Now your girl is spayed and can never have puppies and you never got your papers! This is irriversable and you will be forever damaged because your poor little haruka will never be able to experiance motherhood like you always dreamnt. I know this may sound a little overboard but this is probably what my familys attourny would suggest. I know you probably wont go that route, but sylvan is lucky she is dealing with someone as kind and patient as you.

[Lyz517]

Just wanted to say I hope this all gets worked out for everyone involved. It shldnt take months for an understanding to be reached between everyone, I cant even understand if there is/was a problem going on in someones life why a explanation could not be offered. With the same quickness a breeder responds to potential new families the same should follow after placing them in their new homes.
I would not and have never bought without papers in hand. I can respect a spay/nueter agreement or papers after proof of surgery but at the very least a copy of the pups registration shld be given to the buyer along with the puppy. One of the first things done after having a litter is registering them.
Yes you shld get your papers or a partial refund for being sold a puppy with no papers. Good luck!

[YorkieTime07]

Wow..being relatively new to YT I really never believed that a thread could get so ugly as this one has between grown adults who all love their fur babies, grown adults who have been on this site way longer than me who have had past experiences with ugly threads and know HOW to prevent them to stay on the thread topic..but somehow allow their own personal feelings to get in the way of the real reason Michiko posted, which was to get advice as well as make other new yt owners such as myself who may want to buy another yorkie aware of her experience with a breeder who is well known and not a fly by night breeder. Which in all honesty is what we all want..to buy our fur babies from a reputable breeder. We have no problem discussing the puppy mill breeders and we should not have to defend ourselves in discussing any breeder we have had an issue with especially when this site is a learning and informative site. ( I have learned alot in the past couple of months). We all have choices and a reputable breeder already knows the possible outcomes of their actions when they do ignore one of their customers as does any reputable business owner.
Michiko thank you personally from me for giving me insight into what can possibly occur when buying a fur baby from a breeder. You have been clear and concise as to why you were posting and basically looking for some other ideas as to handle this from seasoned breeders and members on this site..I so know intent from you whatsoever to tarnish anyones reputation...you had a situation, handled it for a long period of time with no results, posted here for help in how to handle and that is what the thread should be..all this other stuff is not relative at all.....and that is my opinion...and i say this with a smile I don't entertain bashing so if anyone has a negative comment on my post..don't put it here email me privately so we can get back on track with this thread and give some constructive help to Michiko...after all That is why this thread was started..

[txshopper73]

I'm sorry to see this thread. I know that there are two sides to every story. I hope that all of this can be resolved. Best of luck to you, Michiko and to Stacy.

[MeganS]

I'm sorry, this is pathetic. You guys are grown adults, there's no reason to call each other names or whatever. Lets get back to the topic, hmm?

Good luck, Michiko. I really hope nothing is wrong with Stacy. Hopefully things will be sorted out for all of you and others who are having problems.

[Tulip]

Hello Michiko:

I would like to thank you for your honesty, I have a similar story, but knock on wood no sick puppy as of yet.

I am going through the CKC, and I am sure that I will be vindicated with truth and principle on my side. Without breeders, there could be no owners, yet without owners, breeders would not be able to sell their Yorki pups.

It is not a matter of there is two sides to a story, but such a situation should never have happened. From an owners stand point, it is hard to recognize a sincere breeder from a backyard breeder.


Again, thank you for your courage, and for sharing.

Tulip - My words, my thoughts!

[michiko]

I really appreciate everyone's honest feedback and opinions!!!

I know there are always two sides of stories.. but obviously .. Stacy is not sharing her side of story yet..

Anyway.. I am okay... because I was prepared for this.. and I know that I am following my morality..

Thanks everyone!

[WesleyandMaddie]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

This is a website where honest opinions and experiences w/ breeders is much appreciated. People USE these opinions to guide their purchasing a new furry member of their family.

Since you've taken steps, ad nauseum, to contact her - with no reply - I think it is prudent to post your experience. If her position is defensable, then I'm sure she will post her side of the story.

The breeders on this site share some of the strongest opinions on this board (perhaps sometimes a bit too strong LOL). Their opinions are almost always greatly appreciated and respected. HOWEVER, FOR A BREEDER TO MAINTAIN A RESPECTED OPINION AND REPUTATION, THEY SHOULD CONTINUE TO SHOW IT IS DESERVED, YES?

You, as a BUYER, are just as entitled to share your opinion and experience - and I commend you for doing so! It is clear it took a lot of thinking for you to arrive at this point.

[Janie616]

Originally Posted by diva pup

I just have to ask...why would the rest of you feel entitled to any explanation?

since this became a public posting and some people are saying we need to hear BOTH sides of the story, then we would want to hear it as well ...

Originally Posted by Anna Banana

Although I myself don't feel entitled to any explanation from Stacy, I can see why others might. There are others that have bought from her, considered buying from her, and will buy from her. Also, there are people who have put a lot of time and and energy comforting and supporting michiko because they care so much. For these people, I can see where a sense of entitlement to know the truth develops...

[Anna Banana]

Originally Posted by michiko

I really appreciate everyone's honest feedback and opinions!!!

I know there are always two sides of stories.. but obviously .. Stacy is not sharing her side of story yet..

Anyway.. I am okay... because I was prepared for this.. and I know that I am following my morality..

Thanks everyone!

You most certainly are living up to your name. You have handled this thread, and the whole situation with dignity. Good things come to good people Michiko, and I'm sure this situation will be resolved soon.

[diva pup]

Originally Posted by Janie616

since this became a public posting and some people are saying we need to hear BOTH sides of the story, then we would want to hear it as well ...

What was I thinking?? OF COURSE you would. LOL