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Francie · 07-03-2007, 08:13 AM

[QUOTE=Bizzymammabee;1209874]I don't see the need for the snarkiness. Everyone in here is grown and are entitled to their very own opinion on the subject that is why it's on a public forum. You want to champion on Sylvan then that is your business. But Michiko and Timmy have every right under the sun to state their side. Nothing that they have posted here has been slanderous at all...and it can all be substantiated.

As for your belief that AKC papers have no value unless you are into showing or breeding other than to wall paper a bathroom that too is only your views. If it's not valuable then why did she sell the dog for so much more because of it? Breeders (no slight to the good ones) get way more money because of this piece of paper. So if she paid a whole lot more money to Sylvan because of that paper then it's her due to get it. If Sylvan couldn't or wouldn't produce the papers then she had a right to sell the dog for a lower sum and notify Michiko of the situation.

It is amazing to me how people INSIST on missing the point here.

No one said Michiko is NOT ENTITLED to the Papers! I don't care if she wants to plaster it all over the New York Times!

But the POINT is a person's reputation is being ruined by this very Thread.....without one ounce of Evidence.

If Michiko REALLY wants to settle this once and for all...and if its THAT important to her...then she should contact the AKC ...or a Lawyer. It would make far more sense to me.....

If you come back to me with Evidence that you have been truly treated in a dishonorable way....then I will the first person to give you ALL my sympathy, but until then....posting this sort of personal drama without the other side of the story is grossly unfair.

Would any of you want it done to you? So step in "those shoes" for a moment.....you can't just come in here under the pretext of "Moral Support"...and procede to trash another Member! For God's sake...

Francie

BamaFan121s · 07-03-2007, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by camly

I just wanted to say that in the beginning and for the most part this thread has been very honest and civil, minus a few posters. i have not seen anyone bashing stacy ... the only thing pple have referred to stacy is to ask her to talk to the people trying to get a hold of her. that was it..

Yes, you are correct, this thread did start out in a very civil light...for Michiko to express her concerns and as an outlet for her frustration over the situation. I understand why she would be upset.
Unfortunately it has become something much differernt and nasty--and not by the efforts or comments of just one or two people, but by several. I'm kind of shocked that the thread hasn't been locked for THAT reason. It would be a shame because it might have been a way for the two parties to get the matter resolved, who knows.

As for is anyone has 'bashed' anyone else, 'bashing' is a harsh term and only means what each individual interprets it to mean. However, there have been several negative comments make in regards to Stacey that are nothing but speculation--I think that is why some people are getting upset because those type comments ARE unfair AND damaging. If Stacey has done wrong then she bears the burden of that on herself--but let her do that for herself, don't contribute to it with rumors of 'what might have happened' or 'what you think is going on.' If Michiko or anyone else needed to voice their concerns I certainly understand that, but let them voice them, offer support, sympathy and suggestions and leave it at that.

I fully understand Michiko's frustration and believe that she IS entitled to what she was promised and paid for. And I think it took a great deal of courage to post something against someone I KNOW she has had a great deal of respect for as I have spoken to her regarding this situation before this thread was started. I have a Bassett Hound that is AKC registerable that I NEVER bothered to send in paperwork for, there wasn't a need, but I made DARN SURE I got the paperwork with her name on it regardless, so I DO understand the desire for that. I truly hope that Michiko and Stacey can work this out in a way that suits THEM.

BamaFan121s · 07-03-2007, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JCarlson2004

C'mon ladies, play nice.

There's no reason to attack each other. If this doesn't stop, I'm pretty sure admin will close the thread. I'm sure things will eventually be worked out.

Yeah! Princess Feathers has spoken

baby03 · 07-03-2007, 08:19 AM

I do not know Stacy nor am I a fan of her breeding practices but I do believe we are all entitled to an opinion. Francie has a right to hers even if it differs from the majority. I thought that was what made this place so special.

Timmy- I hope all goes well for baby Lillie! I am praying for her.
Michiko- I really hope you are able to get your papers

JCarlson2004 · 07-03-2007, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by baby03

I do not know Stacy nor am I a fan of her breeding practices but I do believe we are all entitled to an opionion. Francie has a right to hers even if it differs from the majority. I thought that was what made this place so special.

Timmy- I hope all goes well for baby Lillie! I am praying for her.
Michiko- I really hope you are able to get your papers

I agree with you.

I may not agree with someone but that does not take away their right to voice their opinion.

Michiko, I really hope everything works out for you and you get Haruka's papers. She's such a sweet little girl. Best of luck to you both!

Timmy, all I can say is GOOD LUCK and I'll keep your little Lillie in my prayers. What a sweet baby -- bless her heart! Please keep us updated on her condition and when she has surgery.

judyeve · 07-03-2007, 08:23 AM

Michiko, Timmy and Kalina,

I'm so sorry that these things have happened to you. Of course you have a right, and a responsibility to other potential buyers to post these problems.

I feel, however, that a paragraph or two in the Breeder's Review Forum would have been far more appropriate. If anyone is looking for a breeder on YT, then that is where they should go to get information about that breeder. Nobody should be afraid of posting any problems with breeders there. This topic isn't suited for a General Discussion Forum, 12 pages, and approximately 180 responses, with nothing accomplished to get you your AKC papers.

Michiko, as a buyer, I would simply have either contacted the AKC with a complaint or taken the breeder to court. You either would have gotten your papers, money back, or whatever the courts or the AKC deemed necessary. That also should have been noted in the Breeder's Review Forum.

While I feel deeply for all three of you, we do not know, and probably never will know the other side of the story. It really isn't our business anyway. The only people who need to know that, other than these three, are potential buyers. If this had been posted in the Breeder's Review Forum, anyone could have pmed Mchiko, Timmy or Kalina for the facts.

I feel that the only thing that has been accomplished here is that Sylvan's Yorkies' reputation has been ruined, on this site at least. There is no damage control that can remove that because the seed has already been planted. It certainly hasn't, and probably won't get you your AKC papers Michiko.

I hope that Admin closes this thread, or moves it to a more appropriate Forum, since whatever needed to be said has already been said, and it is going nowhere.

camly · 07-03-2007, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Yes, you are correct, this thread did start out in a very civil light...for Michiko to express her concerns and as an outlet for her frustration over the situation. I understand why she would be upset.
Unfortunately it has become something much differernt and nasty--and not by the efforts or comments of just one or two people, but by several. I'm kind of shocked that the thread hasn't been locked for THAT reason. It would be a shame because it might have been a way for the two parties to get the matter resolved, who knows.

As for is anyone has 'bashed' anyone else, 'bashing' is a harsh term and only means what each individual interprets it to mean. However, there have been several negative comments make in regards to Stacey that are nothing but speculation--I think that is why some people are getting upset because those type comments ARE unfair AND damaging. If Stacey has done wrong then she bears the burden of that on herself--but let her do that for herself, don't contribute to it with rumors of 'what might have happened' or 'what you think is going on.' If Michiko or anyone else needed to voice their concerns I certainly understand that, but let them voice them, offer support, sympathy and suggestions and leave it at that.

I fully understand Michiko's frustration and believe that she IS entitled to what she was promised and paid for. And I think it took a great deal of courage to post something against someone I KNOW she has had a great deal of respect for as I have spoken to her regarding this situation before this thread was started. I have a Bassett Hound that is AKC registerable that I NEVER bothered to send in paperwork for, there wasn't a need, but I made DARN SURE I got the paperwork with her name on it regardless, so I DO understand the desire for that. I truly hope that Michiko and Stacey can work this out in a way that suits THEM.

agreed

it is btwn michiko and stacy, and yt is here for those who just need a place to go to for understanding, support, in bad and good times (omg sorry if it sounds like a marriage vow .. lol :P) so i think all that's needed is to be a friend to another who needs one right now.

Morkie4 · 07-03-2007, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan & Corinne

It seems to me you wrote your opinion without reading the original post.

I feel this post is really unfair to Michiko. I know Michiko really didn't want things to come to this and she gave Stacy more than enough opportunities to settle things privately. What else can she do when the other party won't communicate with her?

Michiko tried over and over and over to contact Stacy and gave her chance after chance to speak to her and to send her the paperwork. I know she honestly wanted to avoid this and she is concerned about Stacy's well being.

This comment is totally out of line and very hurtful (IMO). Michiko cares about Stacy and she waited for weeks hoping Stacy would contact her. Starting this thread was very difficult for her to do.

I hope can see it in a different light.

Wylie's Mom · 07-03-2007, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Francie

If you come back to me with Evidence that you have been truly treated in a dishonorable way...

What more evidence are you expecting? She's honestly represented her side of the story, which IS her evidence. I'm sure she'd be more than happy to hear the breeder's side of the story.

Anna Banana · 07-03-2007, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

What more evidence are you expecting? She's honestly represented her side of the story, which IS her evidence. I'm sure she'd be more than happy to hear the breeder's side of the story.

She has begged the breeder to give her story, yet she has been ignored.

Sugar's Mom · 07-03-2007, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mistyinca

Michiko, you DO NOT and SHOULD NOT have to justify why you want your papers. You paid for them, and you want them, and you shouldn't have to explain yourself for it.

Still no word?
Misty

you are right and as far as the person who said they are of no value except to paper the wall. Well, I have news. i would NEVER buy any kind of dog without papers. AKC papers at that. that is my personal feelings on it.

BamaFan121s · 07-03-2007, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by camly

it is btwn michiko and stacy, and yt is here for those who just need a place to go to for understanding, support, in bad and good times (omg sorry if it sounds like a marriage vow .. lol :P) so i think all that's needed is to be a friend to another who needs one right now.

Lol...in sickness and in health, so long as we all shall live.

camly · 07-03-2007, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Lol...in sickness and in health, so long as we all shall live.

I DO!!!

lol!!

redneckwoman · 07-03-2007, 08:42 AM

i would take her to court sounds like Stacy is alot of things you should have gotten papers if thats what you paid for , but even if you dont it doesn't look like many yorkietalk members would buy from her. when you do people wrong it always comes back to bite you in the rear an Stacy shall get her just due sorry you had to deal with somebody like that an as far as wanted your papers what ever you wanted them far is your bussiness dont let someone else make you feel bad for wanting them

Anna Banana · 07-03-2007, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Francie

If you come back to me with Evidence that you have been truly treated in a dishonorable way....then I will the first person to give you ALL my sympathy, but until then....posting this sort of personal drama without the other side of the story is grossly unfair.

Francie

How would you describe the way she's been treated?

I for one, still respect Stacy, as I would respect any breeder I don't personally know. I don't know what's going on in her life right now that would make her act so irressponsibly in these three cases presented in this thread, but I just hope it gets worked out. If Michiko, Kalina, and Timmy all came forward and said that they have no more issues with Stacy, then I would have the same opinion of her as I did before this thread began, but I would do more homework before buying from her, which is what should be done anyway. (I'm not saying Michiko, Kalina, and Timmy didn't do this. I know they did.) Point is, I don't think her reputation is being ruined by this thread. Her reputation is being ruined by the way she's handling these situations, and I hope she resolves them.

07-03-2007, 08:19 AM	#184
baby03 Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: us Posts: 2,255	I do not know Stacy nor am I a fan of her breeding practices but I do believe we are all entitled to an opinion. Francie has a right to hers even if it differs from the majority. I thought that was what made this place so special. Timmy- I hope all goes well for baby Lillie! I am praying for her. Michiko- I really hope you are able to get your papers __________________ Be yourself. Everyone else is already taken. Last edited by baby03; 07-03-2007 at 08:21 AM. Reason: spelling

07-03-2007, 08:23 AM	#186
judyeve Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 1,729	Michiko, Timmy and Kalina, I'm so sorry that these things have happened to you. Of course you have a right, and a responsibility to other potential buyers to post these problems. I feel, however, that a paragraph or two in the Breeder's Review Forum would have been far more appropriate. If anyone is looking for a breeder on YT, then that is where they should go to get information about that breeder. Nobody should be afraid of posting any problems with breeders there. This topic isn't suited for a General Discussion Forum, 12 pages, and approximately 180 responses, with nothing accomplished to get you your AKC papers. Michiko, as a buyer, I would simply have either contacted the AKC with a complaint or taken the breeder to court. You either would have gotten your papers, money back, or whatever the courts or the AKC deemed necessary. That also should have been noted in the Breeder's Review Forum. While I feel deeply for all three of you, we do not know, and probably never will know the other side of the story. It really isn't our business anyway. The only people who need to know that, other than these three, are potential buyers. If this had been posted in the Breeder's Review Forum, anyone could have pmed Mchiko, Timmy or Kalina for the facts. I feel that the only thing that has been accomplished here is that Sylvan's Yorkies' reputation has been ruined, on this site at least. There is no damage control that can remove that because the seed has already been planted. It certainly hasn't, and probably won't get you your AKC papers Michiko. I hope that Admin closes this thread, or moves it to a more appropriate Forum, since whatever needed to be said has already been said, and it is going nowhere. __________________ *Judy, Max and Annie* *Rest in Peace my Sweet Angel Gracie Leigh:*

07-03-2007, 08:42 AM	#194
redneckwoman Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 239	papers i would take her to court sounds like Stacy is alot of things you should have gotten papers if thats what you paid for , but even if you dont it doesn't look like many yorkietalk members would buy from her. when you do people wrong it always comes back to bite you in the rear an Stacy shall get her just due sorry you had to deal with somebody like that an as far as wanted your papers what ever you wanted them far is your bussiness dont let someone else make you feel bad for wanting them

07-03-2007, 08:13 AM	#181
Francie YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Midwest Posts: 1,194	[QUOTE=Bizzymammabee;1209874]I don't see the need for the snarkiness. Everyone in here is grown and are entitled to their very own opinion on the subject that is why it's on a public forum. You want to champion on Sylvan then that is your business. But Michiko and Timmy have every right under the sun to state their side. Nothing that they have posted here has been slanderous at all...and it can all be substantiated. As for your belief that AKC papers have no value unless you are into showing or breeding other than to wall paper a bathroom that too is only your views. If it's not valuable then why did she sell the dog for so much more because of it? Breeders (no slight to the good ones) get way more money because of this piece of paper. So if she paid a whole lot more money to Sylvan because of that paper then it's her due to get it. If Sylvan couldn't or wouldn't produce the papers then she had a right to sell the dog for a lower sum and notify Michiko of the situation. It is amazing to me how people INSIST on missing the point here. No one said Michiko is NOT ENTITLED to the Papers! I don't care if she wants to plaster it all over the New York Times! But the POINT is a person's reputation is being ruined by this very Thread.....without one ounce of Evidence. If Michiko REALLY wants to settle this once and for all...and if its THAT important to her...then she should contact the AKC ...or a Lawyer. It would make far more sense to me..... If you come back to me with Evidence that you have been truly treated in a dishonorable way....then I will the first person to give you ALL my sympathy, but until then....posting this sort of personal drama without the other side of the story is grossly unfair. Would any of you want it done to you? So step in "those shoes" for a moment.....you can't just come in here under the pretext of "Moral Support"...and procede to trash another Member! For God's sake... Francie