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03-04-2007, 08:09 AM | #16 |
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| This is sure looking like it will be more and more a problem -- letting strangers know there are Yorkie puppies in the house. I don't know the answer. I am glad that I got to see where my last two Yorkies were bred and raised. It made me feel good to see that they came from such a clean and loving environment. But I understand when breeders decide on a policy of a public meeting instead of at their home. I think any future purchases I make will be to breeders that I know enough about through word of mouth referrals that meeting at a different place will not bother me. But it has made me wonder what I would do if I do breed some time in the future. One more drawback to consider. BTW -- remember to use only cell phone numbers in any advertising. Home numbers are so easy to cross-reference and get an address. The whitepages online has an option to enter the phone number and it will give the name and address for that number. I actually used that for some invitations I sent recently. Just plugged in their home phone numbers from my cell directory and instantly had their address. Quick and easy. Nice for a convenience but scary how easy it would be for a crook! I tried my cell number there and it just came up saying it was a cell and gave the city where I bought it. But I think you can pay for a service that actually gets names and addresses for the cell numbers too. No secrets anymore.
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03-04-2007, 08:54 AM | #17 |
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| I saw the video on the news on the dogs being stolen and I was shocked!! What has this world come to?? This is a very interesting topic. I plan to breed yorkies and this brings up an interesting point. While I want everyone to see where the pups are raised I also don't want put the pups as risk either. I thought if I had two guard dogs that maybe they would be safe but you just never know anymore. So I was thinking of meeting at a public place where I would have the puppies with me. I am not sure if I would want to chance bringing the adult dogs with me or not. And I would have my video camera with me with a short video of where my dogs and pups are raised inside the house and their living conditions and environment without actually showing the outside of the house or an address. This way they get to see the environment the dogs and puppies are raised without a posing a risk to the puppies or dogs being stolen. Thanks for the tip on using your cell phone number!! I would have used my home phone but like you said it is real easy to look up the address with a home number. I will make sure I keep that in mind!!
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03-04-2007, 08:57 AM | #18 |
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| what might be another good idea.....a prepaid phone just for "breeder business" they're totally untraceable......it might be worth the little investment to keep your babies and yourselves safe and if you see you're not using the minutes for business YOU could always use it for personal stuff without giving out the number |
03-04-2007, 09:33 AM | #19 |
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| Yes, this is such a sad situation. I am glad the dogs were returned...with the exception of one of the pups. I hope they find the other one as well. It is just so sad. This happened a couple of years ago...do you remember...the lady that had puppies listed for sale, she was pregnant, someone came to see a pup and ended up killing her and cutting the baby from her belly and trying to pass it off as her own. remember this? it was so insane. It is just not a safe world out there. As sad as it makes me to know this has happened to someone, I am thankful that it is opening eyes for people. As someone who is looking to breed one day (not maggie but some time in the future), I am learning more and more every day and this just adds to the list of things I am learning. I honestly don't know that I would have thought about this risk up front if it hadn't happened. I am glad no one was hurt. and I am glad that it seems the dogs are ok. It is so incredibly sad that this has had to happen. poor babies. But yes, we do need to start being more understanding. If the breeder is reputable, they will most likely be willing to bring the parents with them to meet you in a public place. I am sure there is a safer way to go about letting people come and see your litters. I know that when I was looking for a pup, I wanted to see all the pups in the litter. So I could see if I bonded with any of them and take a pick that way. When I got to the home of the breeder I ended up getting maggie from, she only brought the females out. the other pups stayed in her bedroom. I questioned this at first. I wanted to see all of the pups, even though I knew I wanted a female. but I wanted to make sure I didn't see anything weird. So she brought one at a time out. She brought the parents out one at a time. yes, If I had a gun, that would not have done any good, I could have demanded her to bring them all out. But she also could have gone to the bedroom and got a gun or called the cops. I don't know...I am sure that there is no fail-proof way to do this..but it certainly opens our eyes. Unfortunately, this happened, but if people across the country, even across the world, learn from these peoples mis-fortune, than it was not in vain. I try to learn from other people's mistakes as well as my own (not saying these people made a mistake, just making a point ) And if I make a sacrifice, if there is a lesson to be learned from it, then it is a sacrifice that is not in vain. does that make sense? good post. I am so glad you brought this up because I am hoping and praying people everywhere learn from this and take extra steps to protect themselves, their family, and their furbabies.
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03-04-2007, 10:14 AM | #20 |
My Tiny Treasures Donating Member | I'm glad to see this post. After hearing about this I've been doing some serious thinking myself. I don't know what I'm going to do, but I don't feel 100% safe having people come to my home now! Its too bad that society has come to this. I have alot of thinking to do because now I don't want strangers in my home! My husband said he could always hide with a gun, in case there was trouble Ha ha....But I'm definatley not going to live like that!!! I'm beginning to think that too, that people are to quick to jump on breeders that don't allow people to their home. We always think the negative first, but they actually could just be protecting them selfs and there babies! I'm almost thinking I feel better selling out of state and shipping them! I don't know.....Its just scary out there anymore. |
03-04-2007, 11:39 AM | #21 |
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| If a breeder plans to meet a potential buyer at a public place, why not chose a police station parking lot? And while people might like to see the environment the pups were in, tough. This day and time you just can't have strangers coming in your home, it is too dangerous. It seems to me anyone who watches the news could understand that.
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03-04-2007, 11:46 AM | #22 |
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| I can only say even if you make arrangements to meet someone, take someone and something with you for your own protection too and meet at some place that has lots of people close by. The world is full of creeps today. does anyone remember the girl that had the dog for sale and she was pregnant and a lady came posed to see the dog and cut her baby out of her stomach. this happened not too long back too. So please be cautious.
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03-04-2007, 11:49 AM | #23 |
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| That's a great idea! After that video of the stolen Yorkies - I would be afraid of letting anyone in my house.
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03-04-2007, 12:07 PM | #24 |
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| I am thinking that it is this way with just about any business. If a person owns a store, they take a risk with being robbed every day. They have to guard against shop lifting and thieves after the money till. Maybe in the past home-based businesses enjoyed a feeling of safety -- but it is just becoming more and more obvious they are taking the same risks a store owner does. Any time you deal with the public the danger is there. I like the idea of the video recorders -- without that recording, the robbery would never have gotten so much "press" and the one thief would not have been scared enough to turn himself in.
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03-04-2007, 12:29 PM | #25 | |
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As you all may or may not know I am a small ( well sorta small ) time, old in age and number of years breeding Yorkies . Now I too have the problem of letting people I don't know come to my house if they live within driving distance to see the puppies and the parents -I as a customer want to see what I am getting and I respect others right to do the same so they need to come or else we will have to do all our business over the internet- how sad that these times force this on us- I prefer the old fashioned way to meet new parents of my little darlings. Well this is how I do- and those that have been here or have called me and of course those that email-please don't be offended by what I am about to say . I have a security system in place that photographs all vehicles that enter my driveway as well as gets the view of and records the license plate and the people as well. It then tracks all their movements about my home and doggy areas. All telephone calls are recorded and emails are saved. I have a direct call button to a security officer which is available 24/7 that is within 1/4 mile of my home. Yes I also have a backup person on the premises that is not seen until I am sure of the intent of the visitors and then and only then is the security device ( better known as a gun - yah yah don't start on me about guns haha just kidding but being safe ) put away and the prospective customers are given a tour and let see the adults and babies and then invited to sit and have coffee or what ever while I fill out lengthy paperwork and get details of idenity. I know this seems complicated since I live in a rural area and a distance from a large city but if the Sheriffs wife can be gunned down as she was a few weeks ago just 20 miles from here, can I be to dilligent in protecting my babies ? I do meet people away from here to deliver babies but only if they are some one I have been working with since the babies were very tiny and have actually gotten to know and then I still take someone with me to make the delivery. I then make them describe their vehicle and I alert the local police that I as a woman will be meeting some one at a location at a set time and will they be nearby if I need them- you would be surprised how often that the police in Tallahassee , Jacksonville , Tampa, Gainesville and many other cities in my state have actuall been sitting somewhere in the same parking lot- that gives me a lot of peace of mind - try it- most will respond with a officer nearby at appointed time. And don't go anywhere without a cell phone that has gps tracking ability so someone can find you. In the meantime I hope everyone is cautious with out being paranoid and I pray we all will be safe and everyone can continue doing business in this crazy world we live in today. Don't judge those that don't have the security systems in place that I have and are reluctant to let you into their homes- put yourself in their place and try to do your homework and if you think the person isn't being honest with you then run-don't walk away from them and find a breeder your heart and gut tells you is OK. Thanks all- this is just my 2 cents worth as I sometimes get a bad feeling and don't even give directions to my home and I never post that on my website.
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03-04-2007, 12:39 PM | #26 |
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03-04-2007, 02:04 PM | #27 |
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| I'm not sure if it is posted on here. Wasn't it a couple of years ago in Missouri?
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03-04-2007, 02:15 PM | #28 |
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| i really think now everyone is going to change the way they do business. it's one thing to steal a yorkie from a yard (which is horrible) but to come into your home w guns....well if the buyers don't u/s, they will have to go elsewhere. my husband i have already discussed the new way of dealing w the selling of the puppies. i am keeping a copy of the video and emailing to all of my potential new furmoms and dads. i am very glad you started this post
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03-04-2007, 03:28 PM | #29 |
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| yes, this is exactly what i was referring to in my earlier post. very scary.
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03-04-2007, 06:17 PM | #30 |
Donating YT 2000 Club Member | You might find the story about the pregnant lady in the news section with a search. There is a lot of good advice here. I think I will ask for DL# and car license plate. I wonder if it is legal to do a thumb print. If you meet in a public place, bring pictures of the parents. If you're emailing with a buyer send them pictures or a video. And use common sense. If it seems to good to be true, it is. |
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