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Old 02-11-2020, 03:18 PM   #1
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Red face Term Used in FS2 Best In Breed Judging Westminster Dog Show Day 1

I need some help with a dog show judging term. I was watching a Best of Breed judging during the day yesterday on FS2(FoxSports2HD) channel during what I think was the judging for the Smooth Fox Terrier but can't recall for sure the breed - think it was a terrier breed - could even have been the Yorkies.

I think I recall the judge was deciding between two male dogs and had their handlers bring them out of line together facing one another in close proximity, apparently for the purpose of seeing how each of them reacted to the other. Two of the judges acting as commentators on the show for FS2, used a term for having the 2 males face off and I can't recall what it was. Said this was a frequently used practice in judging male terriers and even Chihuahuas to see which dog seemed to show more interest in the other, apparently intending to show each terrier's level of fearlessness or spunk, yet without any aggression toward the other dog. The female commentator seemed to intimate that with Chihuahuas this judging practice could start a fight but the other commenter sort of talked over her and I couldn't get her full meaning.

Anyway, there was a term for the face-off or sizing-up type challenge during the judging and can't for the life of me remember what it was. I want to say the term started with an "S" but just can't remember. Whatever the term was, it seemed most appropriate for what I took to apparently having 2 males separated from the other contenders for the purpose of judging each dog's temperament when confronting another dog in close quarters.

Anybody remember the term or see the show? I can't find the BIB of the Smooth Fox Terrier or the Yorkies of the FS2 actual replay of their 2-10-2020 broadcast with commentation by their hired talent so any help would be appreciated.
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Old 02-11-2020, 09:30 PM   #2
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It will be on again tomorrow morning starting at 10:30-2:00 on FS2
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Old 02-12-2020, 07:38 AM   #3
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It will be on again tomorrow morning starting at 10:30-2:00 on FS2
I saw that listing and will be recording it and the show immediately after it just in case but I sadly think that is just a replay of the Monday night Westminster Dog Show with the Tuesday BIS show to follow when that one is finished.

The actual listing of the Best of Breed Show on FS2 Monday included that Best of Breed term in its actual TV schedule listing title. I recorded it, watched it on a little time delay and then, for whatever reason, almost immediately deleted it! I keep obsessing over that one-word term which seemed to exactly mirror what they did when they placed those two male terrier show dogs face-to-face and then proceeded to describe why they did it sometimes in shows. Have heard the word before but in this context seemed so appropriate. Keep thinking the word started with an "S" and I've searched for it but most of the dog show terminology lists don't online don't seem to include anything that even sounds like it.

It's like one of those silly/internet song or even commercial tune ditties we pick up occasionally and can't get out of our head and can never think of the actual title or sometimes know the actual words to the key phrase - but our minds just can't let the tune go!
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Nope, not it. I watched one on you tube, but no announcer and I didn’t see what you described. I did leave the room for a second, so I might have missed it.
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Old 02-12-2020, 05:43 PM   #5
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[QUOTE=kjc;4799422]Nope, not it. I watched one on you tube, but no announcer and I didn'tít see what you described. I did leave the room for a second, so I might have missed it.[/QUOT

Thank you so much for helping. Can't believe FS2 didn't rerun those segments as far as I can tell and it's not On Demand or anywhere I can find it. Still thought I had the internet to fall back on, searching for dog show terminology and situations and after lots of time searching, nothing!

I wasn't even really watching the broadcast at the time but something about that segment caught my attention and I even had to rewind to see that part, though I was on the phone at the time so not really that focused on it even while rewatching it. Just remember thinking that was a clever technique to use on male terriers to see how the two would react and was interested. Later that evening, I deleted the recording and then later, while watching Westminster show the episode came back to me and suddenly, I realized I couldn't remember the term they used. Just a simple word but the practice of doing this at a dog show kind of caught my interest - obviously not enough to make a true memory but the suggestion of one! I love learning of new words and terms so this is not new for me, I do get this way about a new word, etc., and just really dig into it but that's always a word that has truly registered with me. This one came and went without sticking except as a situation. So odd I can't find anything about it yet online.

It could have been the Yorkie BIB judging or heck, maybe even another terrier breed. Funny how little recall I have of anything but that segment and commentary w/out the particulars but there it is, dang it. Anyway, thanks for your help, I really appreciate it. Hopefully I can stumble across it soon or it will go away and leave me in peace!
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Well now it’s in my head too, lol! Please post if you find it, as will I. Happy hunting!
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Recheck the video online of the Smooth Fox Terrier BIB judging, at about 26:18, the male judge in glasses invites two handlers to bring their two males to the center of the ring where they briefly face off nose-to-nose. The smooth fox terrier on the right of the screen seems, from that quick interaction, much more interested in the other dog, eager to find out about him, more socially skilled and well-balanced than the one on the left, is friendly and makes friendly overtures while the other seems diffident, briefly looks away, backs up a bit. I, too, would choose him over the other in a dog show of this type.

It's clearly a quick test of the two dog's terrier temperament and social behavior skills. Very interesting segment and in that voice over, I found out it's apparently not that uncommon in the terrier show ring. And that there is a common sense term for it(here I stop to think bad thoughts about my deleting that video).

Clearly, the judge found out what he needed to from just that brief encounter. as he picked the dog on the right as Best In Breed immediately after that encounter. I just found that bit of insight really intersting about quickly judging between two dogs' temperment or whatever. STILL can't recall that d$%& term is!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3WsL-YkS0o
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That was interesting - I've never seen a face-off between two dogs in a show before. I was well please after the class was finish to congratulatory the exhibitors were to one another. Much more so than that many of the Yorkie exhibitions I have been involved with.
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That was interesting - I've never seen a face-off between two dogs in a show before. I was well please after the class was finish to congratulatory the exhibitors were to one another. Much more so than that many of the Yorkie exhibitions I have been involved with.
It was so interesting to witness in the ring as a judging tool. We've all seen two intact male terriers nose-to-nose in real life with various outcomes but I've only been to a couple of shows but never stayed long enough at ring judging to witness much. And I found that female AKC judge's - I THINK her name is Kimberly Meredith-Cavanaugh from the commentators listed on the Fox Sports listings online and pictures seem to match the woman I remember seeing at intervals during the show - commentary about this being a well-known tool experienced judges could use to quickly bring out the level of "terrierness" in two intact males in the show ring - that endearing quality we all love so much in our terriers, whatever gender.

The judge even went on to start to make a further comment that I took to mean, from the words she had started her sentence with and the tone of her voice, that with chihuahuas this practice could quickly lead to fights - but a male commentator stepped all over her voice with his and I could not hear her full statement. It seemed to be leading in that direction and further things they said afterward seemed to leave the impression that they knew two intact male chihuahuas could be provoked to ritual aggressive type behavior by these encounters.

If no one here who knows the term replies to this thread, I may try emailing her to see if she will answer and provide me with that one word that so well described what the judge was looking for from those two male terriers by placing them nose-to-nose in the ring.
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It was so interesting to witness in the ring as a judging tool. We've all seen two intact male terriers nose-to-nose in real life with various outcomes but I've only been to a couple of shows but never stayed long enough at ring judging to witness much. And I found that female AKC judge's - I THINK her name is Kimberly Meredith-Cavanaugh from the commentators listed on the Fox Sports listings online and pictures seem to match the woman I remember seeing at intervals during the show - commentary about this being a well-known tool experienced judges could use to quickly bring out the level of "terrierness" in two intact males in the show ring - that endearing quality we all love so much in our terriers, whatever gender.

The judge even went on to start to make a further comment that I took to mean, from the words she had started her sentence with and the tone of her voice, that with chihuahuas this practice could quickly lead to fights - but a male commentator stepped all over her voice with his and I could not hear her full statement. It seemed to be leading in that direction and further things they said afterward seemed to leave the impression that they knew two intact male chihuahuas could be provoked to ritual aggressive type behavior by these encounters.

If no one here who knows the term replies to this thread, I may try emailing her to see if she will answer and provide me with that one word that so well described what the judge was looking for from those two male terriers by placing them nose-to-nose in the ring.
I believe it was Judge Meridith-Cavanaugh who told me Lollie was a porker while she was on the table for inspection during a show. It wasn't a mean remark, and we had a discreet laugh as we both knew that Lollie was a bit chubby. She actually liked Lollie, but she didn't place in that class mainly due to my inexperience as an exhibitor. We did earn points from Judge Meredith-Cavanaugh at a later show when she was exhibited by my breeder/exhibitor.
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I believe it was Judge Meridith-Cavanaugh who told me Lollie was a porker while she was on the table for inspection during a show. It wasn't a mean remark, and we had a discreet laugh as we both knew that Lollie was a bit chubby. She actually liked Lollie, but she didn't place in that class mainly due to my inexperience as an exhibitor. We did earn points from Judge Meredith-Cavanaugh at a later show when she was exhibited by my breeder/exhibitor.
Really? Small world! She did seem to share a good bit of her former show experiences during the parts of the 2 days of BIB shows I watched and I enjoyed them. I took her personality to be freewheeling and funloving so that remark follows suit. Sure wish we had more dog show coverage like all the Westminster stuff. There's all kinds of nothing or worse than nother on TV and lots more shows about dogs and all their lifestyles would be appreciated.

I might try asking that judge himself about the term for what he did with those two males if don't hear back from Judge Meredith-Cavanaugh. In the meantime, I hope I can find or actually remember it somehow. Dang, if there were only a replay available of that Smooth Fox Terrier show!

Oh, BTW, any suggestions about where I might find a reference to this technique online?
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