1st yorkie pup! Please help. Any advice on undocked tails or Parti coloring?

[Lovetodream88]

I don't know why yall can keep saying this person knows so much when she said puppy millers are one of the only ones who care about standard when we all know they could care less. I'm sure that the pms are flying off the walls about me again. But all the haters win so make sure you know Taylor is done her mouth is shut, you all win and can pat yourself on the back because you completed your mission after years of this yall have finally won and beat me down. Congrats!

[leslieann79]

Ive always wanted a parti-yorkie and specifically set out to buy one. I had no idea they were thought of as lesser yorkies. My baby is akc registered and her ears aren't up yet but I don't care.

[ColesMommy01]

Originally Posted by leslieann79

Ive always wanted a parti-yorkie and specifically set out to buy one. I had no idea they were thought of as lesser yorkies. My baby is akc registered and her ears aren't up yet but I don't care.

Pming u

[gemy]

Originally Posted by leslieann79

Ive always wanted a parti-yorkie and specifically set out to buy one. I had no idea they were thought of as lesser yorkies. My baby is akc registered and her ears aren't up yet but I don't care.

Well not *lesser* exactly. They are non standard colors - and color is very very important to the Tan and Blue Yorkie Standard. They have been shown to be Yorkies through prior DNA testing. But they can't be shown in fact there is an automatic DQ for their coloring in the AKC show ring.


They can be AKC registered as purebred but they are not able to be shown in the ring.


Like it or not, breed standards are present to protect and preserve the breed(s) throughout history that early breeders developed. Color Standard is in all breeds! For example in the breed I breed, any other color than black is an automatic DQ - it can be registered as purebred, but should never be bred. Thankfully now we have a genetic test for the Black color gene.

[ColesMommy01]

Originally Posted by gemy

Well not *lesser* exactly. They are non standard colors - and color is very very important to the Tan and Blue Yorkie Standard. They have been shown to be Yorkies through prior DNA testing. But they can't be shown in fact there is an automatic DQ for their coloring in the AKC show ring.


They can be AKC registered as purebred but they are not able to be shown in the ring.


Like it or not, breed standards are present to protect and preserve the breed(s) throughout history that early breeders developed. Color Standard is in all breeds! For example in the breed I breed, any other color than black is an automatic DQ - it can be registered as purebred, but should never be bred. Thankfully now we have a genetic test for the Black color gene.

May seem like an odd question. What makes the parti coloring an automatic disqualification? Does have rounded instead of the V-shaped ears, undocked tail, or a bad bite also merit an automatic disqualification? Obviously you can tell I don't show .

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by DBlain

I believe you are confusing reputable breeders with show breeders, but then I also know there are very few breeders that will ever meet your standards

There aren't many who meet any decent standards.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by DBlain

Kay you sound very knowledgeable about dogs and what you are looking for in pup, so I am sure you will make the right choice when selecting a puppy.

Please keep in mind that YT is comprised of a large pool of people from all walks of life, different ages and most surely different experiences. Some experience life first hand, some from behind a computer, I hope you stick around during and after your puppy search because I can tell you have the makings of a valuable member, and in a short time you will be able to sort through the members that you want advice from and those you don't.

Yep, you know that old saying. Water seeks its own level. Some people want advice that is correct and some want advice that tells them what they want to hear..
Just the way things are.

[jukeboxbri]

I would love for tail docking to be a thing of the past, but since it's in the standard (for now, hopefully), I won't turn down a reputable breeder because of it. I also wouldn't turn down a breeder for not doing it if they seem like a reputable one despite not following that one part of the standard.

Now dewclaws... I don't know about those. As long as my vet can cut them, I guess they're alright. I hate cutting nails!!!

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by JadeD

Since I said My friend isn't docking tails. I didn't say she was a breeder. She just happened to have 2 dogs and they had puppies and my 17 year old daughter is getting a puppy from her.

Ummm......a breeder is when 2 dogs mate and make puppies. So your friend is a breeder. There are plenty of mixed breeds in shelters so why add. Spay and neuter pets so there are no Oooops breedings.

[DBlain]

Originally Posted by gemy

Well not *lesser* exactly. They are non standard colors - and color is very very important to the Tan and Blue Yorkie Standard. They have been shown to be Yorkies through prior DNA testing. But they can't be shown in fact there is an automatic DQ for their coloring in the AKC show ring.
They can be AKC registered as purebred but they are not able to be shown in the ring.
Like it or not, breed standards are present to protect and preserve the breed(s) throughout history that early breeders developed. Color Standard is in all breeds! For example in the breed I breed, any other color than black is an automatic DQ - it can be registered as purebred, but should never be bred. Thankfully now we have a genetic test for the Black color gene.

Often I feel so conflicted on topics like this because I agree that it is a good idea to have breed standards and if I bought a purebred yorkie that is what I would be looking for. Proper coloring is a big part of the yorkie standard, but yet I really like the look of a parti or a Biewer so if I ever decided to get another yorkie I would probably get a Parti which was not considered standard so LOL I have a hard time in figuring out what side of the discussion I am on, LOL can I be on both sides?

The only thing I know for sure is not docking a tale is in no way a sign that a breeder is not reputable. And I can tell in the US the tide is turning in the direction of undocked tails. Gail you may know the answer to this, is the US the only country where a docked tail on a yorkie is still considered standard?

[DBlain]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Ummm......a breeder is when 2 dogs mate and make puppies. So your friend is a breeder. There are plenty of mixed breeds in shelters so why add. Spay and neuter pets so there are no Oooops breedings.

Since I know the story and you don't, her friend bred the two dogs because she wanted to and had friends and family members that wanted pups from this pair and ALL and even more were spoken for so none will wind up in shelters they will all be well loved pups. Getting a dog from a shelter is wonderful and as many people as can should, but everyone has the right to choose a new puppy if that is what they prefer. Dogs are not in shelters because they are mixes, but for a wide variety of reasons.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by DBlain

Since I know the story and you don't, her friend bred the two dogs because she wanted to and had friends and family members that wanted pups from this pair and ALL and even more were spoken for so none will wind up in shelters they will all be well loved pups. Getting a dog from a shelter is wonderful and as many people as can should, but everyone has the right to choose a new puppy if that is what they prefer. Dogs are not in shelters because they are mixes, but for a wide variety of reasons.

You say you know them.....honestly even if it is your sister or your mother .. still a breeder...especially if planned.
It is not because i feel everyone should adopt that I speak out. You CAN purchase from a reputable breeder. They do exist. They just don't give what the public wants...or shall I say some of the public.
People have a right to do as they please. To me the question is this: Is it "right" to do it to the pups? I just saw a home breeder lose her female the other day...she posted it on a yorkie fb page. I have seen this so many times. Oh well......

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by DBlain

Since I know the story and you don't, her friend bred the two dogs because she wanted to and had friends and family members that wanted pups from this pair and ALL and even more were spoken for so none will wind up in shelters they will all be well loved pups. Getting a dog from a shelter is wonderful and as many people as can should, but everyone has the right to choose a new puppy if that is what they prefer. Dogs are not in shelters because they are mixes, but for a wide variety of reasons.

I do not need to any stories or background. When a dog owner allows 2 animals to produce a litter of puppies they have become a breeder. Furthermore, I do not need to be schooled in how, why or when dogs end up in shelters. That had nothing to do with my original posts. There is NEVER a good reason to mix breeds. If you want to make something to give away bake cookies.

Originally Posted by ladyjane

You say you know them.....honestly even if it is your sister or your mother .. still a breeder...especially if planned.
It is not because i feel everyone should adopt that I speak out. You CAN purchase from a reputable breeder. They do exist. They just don't give what the public wants...or shall I say some of the public.
People have a right to do as they please. To me the question is this: Is it "right" to do it to the pups? I just saw a home breeder lose her female the other day...she posted it on a yorkie fb page. I have seen this so many times. Oh well......

Exactly!

[DBlain]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

You say you know them.....honestly even if it is your sister or your mother .. still a breeder...especially if planned.
It is not because i feel everyone should adopt that I speak out. You CAN purchase from a reputable breeder. They do exist. They just don't give what the public wants...or shall I say some of the public.
People have a right to do as they please. To me the question is this: Is it "right" to do it to the pups? I just saw a home breeder lose her female the other day...she posted it on a yorkie fb page. I have seen this so many times. Oh well......

I said I know the story...

to me it's no more right for a "reputable" breeder or a show breeder to do that to the pups either but people want puppies just like people want babies, even though LOL I would hate to put myself through it many people do. Dogs of course can't make that choice but I bet dogs owned by reputable breeders don't feel any different about being bred than those owned by a loving family. But my post was not about birthing puppies it was about the philosophy that if you want a mix then you should go to the pound.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by DBlain

I said I know the story...

to me it's no more right for a "reputable" breeder or a show breeder to do that to the pups either but people want puppies just like people want babies, even though LOL I would hate to put myself through it many people do. Dogs of course can't make that choice but I bet dogs owned by reputable breeders don't feel any different about being bred than those owned by a loving family. But my post was not about birthing puppies it was about the philosophy that if you want a mix then you should go to the pound.

I agree with that philosophy because anyone who is mixing colors is NOT doing it for any reason but the bottom line...money. People are so gullible thinking that teacups and off colors are special and worth so much money. Sad thing is that no one cares really about the health and well being of these pups. There was one breeder on here who talked about using a hammer to cull pups. *scream*

People say go to the pound because quite frankly you are paying for something that is not worth what is being charged in most cases. It is sad and all about marketing...and again, bottom line.