I'm getting a dna test done. Then what??

[Shelby&Seymour]

I try to stay away from this type of controversy, but decided to post. There are MANY good breeders that take pride in breeding to the Yorkshire terrier standards with the best of their ability. It is all about getting a wonderful representation of the breed. Minnie is not to that standard, but she is a living breathing beautiful little dog who needs as much love as any other.

As far as the dna test, I do think that it should be done if the breeder gave Minnies owner the idea that she was a purebred Yorkie. (now we must remember that the AKC standards are probably not the same as other Kennel club registrations, which is very sad. I believe there are many "clubs" that will register a dog ...... just to say it is "registered")

I just hope that all the controversy doesn't affect the fact that Minnie has a home for life and is taken care of with the utmost love. I do think she should be spayed and her owner consider NOT breeding dogs at this time.

The breeder, too, could use a good education on the Yorkie breed.

This is MY OPINION, and I know..... they are like ******** , everyone has one.

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by Shelby&Seymour

I try to stay away from this type of controversy, but decided to post. There are MANY good breeders that take pride in breeding to the Yorkshire terrier standards with the best of their ability. It is all about getting a wonderful representation of the breed. Minnie is not to that standard, but she is a living breathing beautiful little dog who needs as much love as any other.

As far as the dna test, I do think that it should be done if the breeder gave Minnies owner the idea that she was a purebred Yorkie. (now we must remember that the AKC standards are probably not the same as other Kennel club registrations, which is very sad. I believe there are many "clubs" that will register a dog ...... just to say it is "registered")

I just hope that all the controversy doesn't affect the fact that Minnie has a home for life and is taken care of with the utmost love. I do think she should be spayed and her owner consider NOT breeding dogs at this time.

The breeder, too, could use a good education on the Yorkie breed.

This is MY OPINION, and I know..... they are like ******** , everyone has one.

Your opinion counts and this is a great post...

[pstinard]

Wow, I wouldn't revisit this thread again so soon, except that I received a private message from Minnie's breeder. I went back and reread the entire thread and took another look at Minnie's pictures, and I agree with the consensus that she doesn't look like any Yorkie I've ever seen--the hair is way too short, and the head shape is wrong. IF Minnie is a purebred Yorkie, and that's a big IF, she is not up to breed standards. Minnie's new owner is well within her rights to ask questions about how to handle this situation on Yorkietalk, and I'm glad she is getting a DNA test done through her vet. I would ask the breeder to sit tight and wait for these test results (they should be available in less than 2 weeks). If Minnie comes back as 100% Yorkie, a lot of us will be scratching our heads, but this will all be over. If not, then the breeder will have some explaining to do. But it is pointless to attack Yorkiemommy1984 for trying to find out the truth about her puppy.

[OwnedByJezebel]

Originally Posted by baboon28

Hi my name is cristina i am the breeder of minnie, and i do not appreciate this post back and forth from yorkiemommy1984. My yorkies are 100% yorkie i would never sell a mixed breed dog to anyone, i have papers, pedigree, and certifivates stamped by the aca registration. Yokiemommy1984 can sit there and tell you how much she thinks im fake, i lie, i dont have feelings when she is absoultley wrong and i hope she can back he stuff up when she does get her results back, and really sell puppies to fill my wallet are u seriuos do u know how exspensive it is to raise puppies from newborn to 8 weeks. The puppies i breed are like my children, so to everyone who is telling her that minnie is not purebreed i hope you all have alot of apologies when she tells you all that minnie is a unique beautiful purebreed yorkshire terrier. I meet with her sevearal times sent pics videos and everything i could possibly do, she never came at me with any questions about minnies progress so really after all these months she sounds like the fake one!!!!! Im very sorry but i do not appreciate you all saying these horiible things about me because of what u she tells you if u have any questions concerns dont go to yorkiemommy1984 cause she does not know anything about yorkies but i do!!! ( and really a chorkie are you serious!!!!!!

Based on your own blog here, you've been aware for over two months that this pup's background was questionable, wanting to know "could y dog be mixed with another breed and registered with the ACA." http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/blo...e-help-me.html

The truth is, that yes, ACA will register a mixed breed as a pure breed without any proof of a dog's pedigree. They just want the registrant's money. You should have your dam and sire DNA tested if they are ACA registered.

[dawn27]

I really am happy to hear the Minnie is being DNA tested. There is no way in He** that this pup is a purebred Yorkie.

There are so many unethical breeder's who pass their pups off as purebred onto unsuspecting buyers and it just makes me sick. It is so very sad every time a new Yorkie owner/family comes to YT with such joy and excitement to show off their new "Yorkie" puppy and I see the un Yorkie like characteristics in them. Most of these people have waited and waited and have had to save just to afford a Yorkie. And for someone to sell them a mixed pup and tell them they are getting a full blooded Yorkie is just sickening. Responsible, ethical breeders just do not do that. Sure they may look all Yorkie as a pup but it doesn't take long before the other breed start to show and than now what? These unsuspecting victims who had their hearts set on adding a pure breed Yorkie to the family are now stuck with a mixed breed pup that they would be considered heartless if they returned.

I hope Minnie's mommy gets the proof that she needs and yells it from the roof tops, contact the registry and the small claims court about how this breeder sold her a so called pure breed Yorkie. I wish more people would do the same and put a stop to this type of thing happening again and again. If no one speaks up or does anything about when these things happen it will only continue and more and more unsuspecting families will be lied to and heart broken.

If the test come back 100% Yorkie I will admit when I'm wrong and give the breeder an apology but, I don't see that happening.

[Teresiana]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

Based on your own blog here, you've been aware for over two months that this pup's background was questionable, wanting to know "could y dog be mixed with another breed and registered with the ACA." http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/blo...e-help-me.html

The truth is, that yes, ACA will register a mixed breed as a pure breed without any proof of a dog's pedigree. They just want the registrant's money. You should have your dam and sire DNA tested if they are ACA registered.

Well, apparently this is the root of the issue. It seems that Minnie's mommy wasn't the only one duped. Looks like Minnie's breeder unknowlingly bred a mix & sold the litter as full bred Yorkies.

[lisaly]

There is such indiscriminate breeding going on here. The Yorkie bred is so far from breed standard, and it seems so obvious that she shouldn't have been bred. There are no health test performed and so little knowledge of the breed. It's why there are so many different looking Yorkies out there, and I worry so about the health of this very special breed.

[dollydoodle]

So if "baboon" is proud of her breeding abilities do we know her real name? Should be no reason to hide it at this point. I'd like to know.

[Lorraine]

For what it is worth, the MARS DNA test will not stand up in court as it is not a scientifically proven as in published in scientific genetic journals as acceptable data and research. This is per a conversation I have had with my very knowledgable Vet.
A DNA test can be done to prove your puppy is from the sire and dam as recorded on the certificate which it very well could be from that sire and dam but it will not prove if it and the parents are indeed purebreds especially if the registry is not a bona fide registry.
Even then, even it AKC, to avoid problems or doubts, research BEFORE you fork over your cash. Yes reputable breeders you can rely on are out there. They may not have anything available right when you want it. You will have to answer a lot of questions. You may even be turned down for some reason usually a very valid one which I do as for some, a Yorkie in particular and maybe a dog is not the right time or situation right now. I have been yelled at I have been thanked. Doesn't matter to me which it is I prefer the best interest of my dog, puppy, even someone else's if they are just selling without thought or care.
My two cents worth anyway.

[dawn27]

Originally Posted by dollydoodle

So if "baboon" is proud of her breeding abilities do we know her real name? Should be no reason to hide it at this point. I'd like to know.

Taken from her post: Hi my name is cristina i am the breeder of minnie,

[OwnedByJezebel]

Originally Posted by Teresiana

Well, apparently this is the root of the issue. It seems that Minnie's mommy wasn't the only one duped. Looks like Minnie's breeder unknowlingly bred a mix & sold the litter as full bred Yorkies.

Exactly. I am not a breeder, but if I had one pup turn up like that out of two "registered" Yorkies, I would be shocked and strongly suspect that something was amiss. The first thing I would do would be to get DNA tests on the dam, sire, AND the unusual looking pup to get to the bottom of it BEFORE finding homes for the pups.

There are three possibilities here:

1. The ACA registered dam or/and sire were actually mixes.
2. The dam was not monitored closely enough and another male got to her.
3. This pup really is a Yorkie (I think the odds on this one are so low that you probably couldn't measure it).

Yorkiemommie1984 is having the pup DNA'd, and the breeder needs to DNA her breeding stock as well to avoid being fraudulent. Come clean. If the pups she produced aren't pure bred and she represented them as such, she needs to fess up to all of the buyers involved and refund some money. If she was duped herself (and I think that is probably the case, since she didn't know ACA is a questionable registry), it all comes down to how she reacts to the issue and what she does to make good on it.

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by pstinard

Wow, I wouldn't revisit this thread again so soon, except that I received a private message from Minnie's breeder. I went back and reread the entire thread and took another look at Minnie's pictures, and I agree with the consensus that she doesn't look like any Yorkie I've ever seen--the hair is way too short, and the head shape is wrong. IF Minnie is a purebred Yorkie, and that's a big IF, she is not up to breed standards. Minnie's new owner is well within her rights to ask questions about how to handle this situation on Yorkietalk, and I'm glad she is getting a DNA test done through her vet. I would ask the breeder to sit tight and wait for these test results (they should be available in less than 2 weeks). If Minnie comes back as 100% Yorkie, a lot of us will be scratching our heads, but this will all be over. If not, then the breeder will have some explaining to do. But it is pointless to attack Yorkiemommy1984 for trying to find out the truth about her puppy.

No we won't be scratching our heads, I surely won't be...I am not a fool, nor blind regardless of that test that none of us can verify....if she even comes back....that is not a Yorkie, may be part Yorkie and I say that even loosely...I've seen thousands and thousands and thousands of Yorkies, dead and alive, this is not a purebred, not even a poorly bred 100% Yorkie...sorry, no can do...I won't have what little intelligence I have left insulted...

With that said, the pup is beautiful an absolute gorgeous pup...I'm sure the OP is 100% in love with him...I know I'd take him if she decided he wasn't Yorkie enough rather than back to the breeder.

I'm also going to say that at this point...I am highly suspect of this whole thing period...something is really fishy IMHO

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

For what it is worth, the MARS DNA test will not stand up in court as it is not a scientifically proven as in published in scientific genetic journals as acceptable data and research. This is per a conversation I have had with my very knowledgable Vet.
A DNA test can be done to prove your puppy is from the sire and dam as recorded on the certificate which it very well could be from that sire and dam but it will not prove if it and the parents are indeed purebreds especially if the registry is not a bona fide registry.
Even then, even it AKC, to avoid problems or doubts, research BEFORE you fork over your cash. Yes reputable breeders you can rely on are out there. They may not have anything available right when you want it. You will have to answer a lot of questions. You may even be turned down for some reason usually a very valid one which I do as for some, a Yorkie in particular and maybe a dog is not the right time or situation right now. I have been yelled at I have been thanked. Doesn't matter to me which it is I prefer the best interest of my dog, puppy, even someone else's if they are just selling without thought or care.
My two cents worth anyway.

Thank you, I was not well versed but knew I saw this info somewhere in YT before....

[dawn27]

Originally Posted by baboon28

Hi my name is cristina i am the breeder of minnie, and i do not appreciate this post back and forth from yorkiemommy1984. My yorkies are 100% yorkie i would never sell a mixed breed dog to anyone, i have papers, pedigree, and certifivates stamped by the aca registration. Yokiemommy1984 can sit there and tell you how much she thinks im fake, i lie, i dont have feelings when she is absoultley wrong and i hope she can back he stuff up when she does get her results back, and really sell puppies to fill my wallet are u seriuos do u know how exspensive it is to raise puppies from newborn to 8 weeks. The puppies i breed are like my children, so to everyone who is telling her that minnie is not purebreed i hope you all have alot of apologies when she tells you all that minnie is a unique beautiful purebreed yorkshire terrier. I meet with her sevearal times sent pics videos and everything i could possibly do, she never came at me with any questions about minnies progress so really after all these months she sounds like the fake one!!!!! Im very sorry but i do not appreciate you all saying these horiible things about me because of what u she tells you if u have any questions concerns dont go to yorkiemommy1984 cause she does not know anything about yorkies but i do!!! ( and really a chorkie are you serious!!!!!!

Clearly you do not because anyone who knows the standards of the breed would not even try to argue that Minnie is a purebred. Could it be that that is why you sold to her.

From reading the blog / please help me!!!!
Posted 03-13-2013 at 06:23 PM by baboon28

This pup Lily, the mother, is just over a year old and has already had 2 litters of puppies. My goodness she's just a puppy herself. Plus this is not the first time someone has came to you about the purity of your puppies. That is Ridiculous and so unfortunate for your Lily and for the families who thought that they were getting a pure bred pup from you.

I don't know if you plan on continuing to breed her again but maybe you should consider having Lily or even both of them DNA tested before you do. That would surely help in putting any question as to breed purity to rest for the sake of those people who buy your pups. If not than maybe offering them as mixed breed would be a better choice.

[lynzy420]

crap let me backtrack and correct myself...a second....that sweet girl may be part Yorkie but definitely not pure Yorkie...stand by everything else.

e.t.a. I got my pics mixed up and was looking at the minpin...anyway....I stand by the rest...definitely not pure Yorkie...but very very very pretty!

also, could there possibly be some doxy in this pup?