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Old 12-07-2012, 05:23 AM   #1
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So this boy I have had now for almost two weeks (1 years old) loves his crate and IS crated trained, thank goodness. Sleeps quietly in his crate on a chair next to my side of the bed...close to my face lol. He has no issues with the crate, his problems lies in when I leave the room. He can be in or out of the crate...with or without his new shih tsu sister...does not matter. BARKING, BARKING, BARKING without me around barking seems to be his conversation. To me that appears to be "separation anxiety". I could be wrong... Could be since he's new to our family and house (new people and space...), he's a little insecure about who's got his back. Well, my daughter "babysits" him while I'm out doing chores and what not...but tomorrow night is Saturday night and both my husband and I AND my daughter all have plans and it won't be to stay home... I plan to crate him (as he's not "proofed" in potty training and till I trust him he get ZERO freedom without supervision), and he'll be in a room with either tv or music on. The door will be open so my female can opt to leave if in the case his incessant barking drives her batty.. My question is: Is it abusive to leave him from anywhere to 4-5 hours? (He'll be fed and pottied prior...I'll walk the dogs in the a.m. and again before I leave, for extra exercise). I really don't want him to be scared...
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Ok, I may be in the minority here, we'll see, BUT:
I don't see it as abusive, and in a way it may actually be helpful. He sleeps in his crate all night with no problems and that is for a longer amount of time then you'll be gone, right? He barks constantly when he knows that someone is there and he can't see them but in his kennel with no one there he will probably figure out that barking isn't hleping him and that there is no one to let him out. He'll most likely bark like crazy for a while then give up and relax and fall asleep. You aren't comfortable leaving him out to wander and injure himself (I wouldn't either) and he is safe in his crate. He'll be FINE! Don't stress yourself out about it. =)
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I don't see it as abusive either. Maybe you could give him a special treat in his crate when you leave. Then he'll see your leaving as more positive. I give Stella a piece of cooked chicken or hotdog to chew on as we leave so she hardly notices. I'm sure he'll resume barking when he's done for a period of time but eventually he'll get used to it.
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I don't think 4 to 5 hours in a proper crate is abusive. Are you using a crate that is big enough for him to sit up and turn around in? I think 4 to 5 hours is the maximum you want to leave a dog in a small crate. Since you don't confine him very often it the crate it should be alright.

So let me get this right....your dog barks all the time despite the fact he is not confined? Does he bark when you are with him? Are you letting him out into your home so he can be with you and interact with you and the home? He will never learn social skills if he is not learning how to behave in the household. Maybe I did not understand your post correctly. It just does not make sense for a dog to bark all the time if he is not confined.
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When I go to work I leave Honey crated from 6am-3pm. Your baby will be ok. Also Honey does the same thing when I leave the house no matter if I leave her with someone or not. At first she use to bark now she sits by the door or want let anyone play with her until I get back. I dont know what it is because I have had her since she was 12 weeks.
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I don't think that is abusive
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Ok, I may be in the minority here, we'll see, BUT:
I don't see it as abusive, and in a way it may actually be helpful. He sleeps in his crate all night with no problems and that is for a longer amount of time then you'll be gone, right? He barks constantly when he knows that someone is there and he can't see them but in his kennel with no one there he will probably figure out that barking isn't hleping him and that there is no one to let him out. He'll most likely bark like crazy for a while then give up and relax and fall asleep. You aren't comfortable leaving him out to wander and injure himself (I wouldn't either) and he is safe in his crate. He'll be FINE! Don't stress yourself out about it. =)
Sorry it took so long for me to get back... He loves his crate and I am gone for the longest 4-5 hours. Most of the time I do my chores at night so my daughter can doggy sit, but yesterday I went xmas shopping for 5 hours and he was partially home alone, I would say for at least 3 hours till my daughter got home to them. He has started to calm the barking down now, gratefully. He no longer barks when crated and he's in my room whilst I'm in the ladies room. I have begun crating him A LOT and being in the room WITH him. I feel like tho he's great in the night time/sleep time mode...he's not as good being in his crate when I'm there during the day, (and either with him or have gone to watch a movie down stairs with my family). Movie night is too loud for their ears lol... Dog desire routine and because I have been very strict to stick with one, it's made him far more comfortable with "what's next" so he's settling...TG!!!!! I'm doing a lot of crate training not to mention the "sit", "stay", "lie down", etc.. He's a 1 year old "wild animal" with no training...sadly.
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I don't think 4 to 5 hours in a proper crate is abusive. Are you using a crate that is big enough for him to sit up and turn around in? I think 4 to 5 hours is the maximum you want to leave a dog in a small crate. Since you don't confine him very often it the crate it should be alright.

So let me get this right....your dog barks all the time despite the fact he is not confined? Does he bark when you are with him? Are you letting him out into your home so he can be with you and interact with you and the home? He will never learn social skills if he is not learning how to behave in the household. Maybe I did not understand your post correctly. It just does not make sense for a dog to bark all the time if he is not confined.
Hi, yes his crate is very cozy and sized perfectly for his height and length. He does not bark unless I leave the room, crated or not. He's very attached to me already so he's happy as a lark when he's with me. I must admit that he'll not bark in the company of my family or friends either. The barking is when I leave him alone or crated. He's getting quite used to managing on his own when crated and left alone...we're working on it as it's very hard to want to leave him alone (and when I say alone he's in the bedroom with my Shih tsu mix, the tv on and a lamp on (if it's night time). He is crated at those times. He is always with us socializing, playing, in training time, out and about in boutiques (xmas shopping...). His issues lie with being left alone, which has been 2 times so far for no longer than a total time of 5 hours. Yesterday I did go xmas shopping solo and left him for 5 hours, although my daughter got home before I did and took him out to potty with my other dog...I believe an hour or so before I arrived home. No worries about his "lifestyle", he's a very busy boy with lots to do, not to mention training all the time (positive reinforcement) and more love than he can probably stand LOL. Thanks for your concern...
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When I go to work I leave Honey crated from 6am-3pm. Your baby will be ok. Also Honey does the same thing when I leave the house no matter if I leave her with someone or not. At first she use to bark now she sits by the door or want let anyone play with her until I get back. I dont know what it is because I have had her since she was 12 weeks.
Thanks for taking the time to respond...sorry it took me so long to get back. I plan to continue to crate him when I leave for a very long time, if not forever. My hope is that both dogs can also lie on the bed together and relax and wait for me to get home, but my worry is that this little yorkie will try and jump down off of the bed like my shih tsu mix does. My bed is very high....and she's 16 pounds...he's ALMOST 3!! I have a little low ottoman for her to step down on to get down to the floor, tho she rarely uses it. I always ask her to use it otherwise left to her own choices she will not. Most likely he won't be able to chill on the bed while I'm away...I can't risk him taking that kind of leap. He acts like he wants to follow her lead, of course. She's older and has the kind of gentle and loving temperament that we all desire in a canine...and he is smitten with her. She's very special... Anyhow, this crate he has is perfectly comfortable, I have made sure of that. He feels a bit like a "Polly Pocket Pup" as he's soooo tiny, as is his crate. <3
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I don't think that is abusive
Thanks! Luckily I have been hearing a lot of that... Take care!
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Before I got Gracie I had a Shih Tzu for 15 years. He was 13lbs. I had a trunk at the bottom of my bed that he could jump up on and then a little table and then he could get on the bed. Gracie is a lot smaller than he was so I had to get some pet steps for her. It isn't good for their joints to do a lot of jumping anyway. I had to teach her how to use the steps and it took about a week before she was brave enough to do it on her own.

I think you are going to deal with barking a lot if the Shih Tzu is allowed to be loose while the Yorkie is confined. He is not going to be happy about that situation. Do you have another room you can confine him to when you are not able to watch him? Maybe a room where he can still see what is going on and know that you are in the house? Like a bathroom or the kitchen? He might be more content if he can at least see and hear you when he is confined and you are home. Some people use an x-pen so the pup is not so isolated when confined.
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Before I got Gracie I had a Shih Tzu for 15 years. He was 13lbs. I had a trunk at the bottom of my bed that he could jump up on and then a little table and then he could get on the bed. Gracie is a lot smaller than he was so I had to get some pet steps for her. It isn't good for their joints to do a lot of jumping anyway. I had to teach her how to use the steps and it took about a week before she was brave enough to do it on her own.

I think you are going to deal with barking a lot if the Shih Tzu is allowed to be loose while the Yorkie is confined. He is not going to be happy about that situation. Do you have another room you can confine him to when you are not able to watch him? Maybe a room where he can still see what is going on and know that you are in the house? Like a bathroom or the kitchen? He might be more content if he can at least see and hear you when he is confined and you are home. Some people use an x-pen so the pup is not so isolated when confined.
I also have a small chaise at the end of my bed for my shih tsu mix and she prefers it to the lower and easier on her joints, ottoman that I placed on the side of the bed. She's very sturdy and her joints are pristine even at this age (9 years old). I do hate when she simply jumps off the side without using either ottoman OR small chaise at end of bed. She simply jumps off the bed onto the little carpet next to my side of the bed, sometimes she just goes for the hard wood. KILLS ME!

I need him to love his crate. He is loving it, thankfully. He's becoming easier and easier to crate as time goes by. It's a learning curve, of course. He is being crate trained a few times a day, being placed inside for up to an hour at random times. He's doing very well due to this... PROBLEM SOLVED. Thank you for your advice! I really love this site...so very helpful <3
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