someone help me! ckc registration question here.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by taren

i was just stating on here what i was told by ckc regulations and from what i read on their website and the info i have from them when i got my other dog. they state as breeder/owner that they are to transfer any paperwork to new owner and they register new puppy litters for free. i dont understand....everyone is biting my head off.

Because your girl should not have been breed especially when you know nothing about breeding. You need to do the responsible thing and take your dog to get spayed as soon as possible. She has been through so much already why would you want to put her through even more by having puppies especially when you don't know about breeding? She could have complications and die did you know that? Do you really want that for this poor baby that has been passed around to 4 different homes?

[taren]

Originally Posted by Jacksmom052709

Me too! Good advice - no sense struggling with the breeder, in my opinion.

Thank you for your advice. i do plan on getting her spayed. i just hate how people are so judmental and make it seem like im running a puppy mill or something or just money hungry. i'm not like that in the least!

[taren]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Because your girl should not have been breed especially when you know nothing about breeding. You need to do the responsible thing and take your dog to get spayed as soon as possible. She has been through so much already why would you want to put her through even more by having puppies especially when you don't know about breeding? She could have complications and die did you know that? Do you really want that for this poor baby that has been passed around to 4 different homes?

thank you for your input, i did contact my vet as soon as this happened. AND THIS WAS AN ACCIDENT!!!!

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by taren

i was just stating on here what i was told by ckc regulations and from what i read on their website and the info i have from them when i got my other dog. they state as breeder/owner that they are to transfer any paperwork to new owner and they register new puppy litters for free. i dont understand....everyone is biting my head off.

There is absolutely nothing in the CKC guidelines (or AKC for that matter) that requires a breeder to register a litter. If the original purchase agreement stated that papers would only be given after proof of spay, then there is nothing you can do about it. The contract was voided when the original owner neglected to spay her and then sold her to someone else. The contract was between the breeder and the original owner. What the cost to her to register the dogs would be is irrelevant.

Bottom line, she did not sell the dog to you, the person you got her from did. You might complain to the CKC, but it won't get you very far because she has no contractual obligation to you.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by taren

thank you for your input, i did contact my vet as soon as this happened. AND THIS WAS AN ACCIDENT!!!!

Accidents happen all the time it is about how we handle them that really counts. Please take this poor girl to the vet and get her spayed now.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by taren

Thank you for your advice. i do plan on getting her spayed. i just hate how people are so judmental and make it seem like im running a puppy mill or something or just money hungry. i'm not like that in the least!

Come on you had an unneutered male and and unspayed female and you didn't keep them separated her hole heat what do you think was going to happen?

[Coton Momma]

Taren, I am still unclear on the registration you are talking about and I wonder if maybe you are too? Can you tell us if you are talking about Canadian Kennel Club = ckc.ca

OR

ckcusa.com

The ckc.ca is a VALID real registry. The Canadian version of the AKC. These are worth paying the $300 for and it is standard practice in the dog world.

The ckcusa is a VANITY registry. A way to have "papers" on your dog with no validation of their ancestry or if they are even one specific breed. These are NOT worth paying for.

If you are unsure, we should be able to help you if you let us know who the breeder is.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

A diaper is not a chastity belt, it will do nothing from keeping them from tying.

The difference between ckc and akc is not just the size and marking of the dog. CKC (if it is Continental) is completely worthless, and you shouldn't pay the breeder money for worthless papers.

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Is this the reputable Canadian Kennel Club or is this the paper registry, Continental Kennel Club? You can register any dog with the Continental Kennel Club even a mixed breed. People who don’t have breeding rights to dogs often register the offspring with the Continental Kennel Club. The papers are worthless.


I can't believe it took this long for someone to ask this. That was my first question!

Being the OP lives in central Texas, and this is a Craigslist purchase, I thought it was most likely the Continental Kennel Club rather than the Canadian and therefore didn't feel the need to ask.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by jencar98

Being the OP lives in central Texas, and this is a Craigslist purchase, I thought it was most likely the Continental Kennel Club rather than the Canadian and therefore didn't feel the need to ask.

Yeah, but she's the forth owner, so it's possible it's the Canadian registry.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by taren

thank you for your input, i did contact my vet as soon as this happened. AND THIS WAS AN ACCIDENT!!!!

I know that in your mind it was an "accident". But did you actually research how to safely keep intact dogs together, when the female is in heat? If not, why not?
Surely if you had researched here, or in other places, or even asked your vet, how to best protect against accidental matings, you would not have left your two intact dogs, to roam around the house together?

I posted how to do this in an earlier response, in this thread. Even still with all that I do, and follow; yes accidents can happen. What happened to me, was my escape artist (who is a female), got out of her crate, the door to our bedroom was left open (mistake on our part), she happily walked into our bedroom where our intact male was sleeping, and nozzled me hi Mommy. I about had a heart attack!. Thank God nothing happened, but it could have. Our bedroom door is supposed to be closed during the heat cycles; it wasn't. We had also bungee corded her crate, and I can't for the life of me figure out how she got out, but she did.

And just so you know, I am a show breeder, all my dogs have been health tested and checked out throughly. But I did not want this girl to mate with this boy. So I was very upset about "my"/our carelessness.

That is an ACCIDENT. Not what you described. If you don't plan, don't research, then you plan to FAIL

[taren]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Come on you had an unneutered male and and unspayed female and you didn't keep them separated her hole heat what do you think was going to happen?

OMG i did keep them seperated.....the first week or so he seem uninterested but while i was home i did let them play together for a few minutes here and there under my supervision. i lost track of a few minutes while cleaning. but always kept them seperated while i was away.

[gidget529]

Originally Posted by taren

i guess i never should have come here. from what i am learning from all of you is that i paid $300 for my first CKC dog with papers. and the papers are worthless.

i wanted a playmate for my male dog and my one and only son went off to college and was needing a little something more to help me with my empty nest syndrome. i shopped around for two months two find the most compatible playmate for my dog, who happened to be a "bitch".... but contacted the breeder AS SOON as i bought her knowing how much she cost and then received email saying that her dad was $2400 and she is worth so much more and blah blah blah and everyone is telling me the papers are worthless? and she wants to charge me $300 for worthless papers?

AND i'm a money grabber when intitially before i got gabby i wanted to mate harley with a female to trade his service for one of his puppies. and then make his puppy his playmate........and then get him fixed.

so i am PURE EVIL i guess because i turned my back for five minutes and admit to failure. and then ask because I DONT KNOW.

Actually, I think you did the right thing coming here. I see you've been a member since 2010. Ppl might have been able to help you w the CKC registration thing before you purchased a dog. CKC papers are essentially worthless. I'm sure you will love your dog no less, but it would have been nice to know.

Also, breeders own the "breeding rights" of their puppies. It is for them to decide whom they will allow to be bred and not bred - not the purchaser. They have control over their own line and rightfully so. A lot of reputable breeders also have in their contract that if the buyer is no longer able to provide a home for the pup, the dog is to be returned to the breeder or the breeder is to be contacted. Reputable breeders do not want their dogs bounced from home to home or want inexperienced ppl placing their dogs.

From the AKC breeders I know, they would be highly upset that their dog was bounced through 4 owners, was never neutered as was supposed to be, and now the 4th owner is calling them demanding breeding rights.

I hope I'm not coming off as rude; however, I thought you should understand the breeder's side of this. I wish you well, hope the pup has found her forever home, and will be well taken care of. From the breeder's standpoint though, I would be livvid if I were her/him.

[Coton Momma]

Gemy, even with the best of plans you can't control everything lol! I have a dear friend who has been breeding Border Collies for over 30 years. She does every health test there is. She knows her lines back 10+ generations off the top of her head. ONLY breeds for specific things to improve her lines. ONLY sells after knowing someone a long long long long time. Will not let any pup out of her house that has not been fully tested and fixed unless she knows it is to be for show or breeding and those arrangements have been made in advance. In other words, she is a responsible breeder. She has only had one almost accident - when a male went through a closed second story window! Scared her to death and she got there before anything could happen. Silly boy was fine. But it goes to show where there is a will, they sure do try to find a way!

[taren]

Originally Posted by gemy

I know that in your mind it was an "accident". But did you actually research how to safely keep intact dogs together, when the female is in heat? If not, why not?
Surely if you had researched here, or in other places, or even asked your vet, how to best protect against accidental matings, you would not have left your two intact dogs, to roam around the house together?

I posted how to do this in an earlier response, in this thread. Even still with all that I do, and follow; yes accidents can happen. What happened to me, was my escape artist (who is a female), got out of her crate, the door to our bedroom was left open (mistake on our part), she happily walked into our bedroom where our intact male was sleeping, and nozzled me hi Mommy. I about had a heart attack!. Thank God nothing happened, but it could have. Our bedroom door is supposed to be closed during the heat cycles; it wasn't. We had also bungee corded her crate, and I can't for the life of me figure out how she got out, but she did.

And just so you know, I am a show breeder, all my dogs have been health tested and checked out throughly. But I did not want this girl to mate with this boy. So I was very upset about "my"/our carelessness.

That is an ACCIDENT. Not what you described. If you don't plan, don't research, then you plan to FAIL

no i didn't research. and i thought the diaper would help. and i stated before my male seem uninterested, so i admit to losing track of a few min. and failing. i admit to not knowing about breeding, something i wasnt planning on for a long time if i ever wanted or decided to and i was careless. but i do know my dogs have no health issues. yes they have been sick before but they have nothing on going or terminal. they are both healthy and very active and not hypoglecemic. i know somethings but dont know everything. thanks for your opinion.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by Coton Momma

In other words, she is a responsible breeder. She has only had one almost accident - when a male went through a closed second story window! Scared her to death and she got there before anything could happen. Silly boy was fine. But it goes to show where there is a will, they sure do try to find a way!

This is why it terrifies me when people don't neuter their males because they "might" want to breed some day. They truly don't have a clue at the lengths some males will go to in order to get to a female in heat.