someone help me! ckc registration question here.

[miabellaamoure]

I guess there is a presumption of "help" being one with conditions on this site by some.

When you come on to YT with the scenario as you have just described...that's what you will get. It's like you picked all the worst things possible to include in your plea for "help" and unfortunately...it appears you have not done enough research before diapering an unspayed female in the presence of an unneutered male...both of those dogs your own.

Now you'd like to skim past the most horrendous of mistakes and rush off to learn about papering your female & litter...? Really?

[gemy]

So you brought in an unspayed female, with an intact male. You kindof didn't intend to breed her until after her third heat? May I ask how old she is right now?

So in my opinion, you did at least want to keep your options open, and therefor were purchasing a "breeding" bitch for $150. Wow. I commend you for following up with the breeder. But you have now bred her, and in all good faith you should likely pay this breeder the $300. Have an exchange of money for filled out paperwork.

I wish a healthy whelp and do hope you have a knowledgeable vet and mentor in place, you will need both, as a novice breeder.

And for future reference belly bands and diapers are not contraceptive gear. You must keep your dogs separated, crated, and in separate rooms, exercised separately etc, to insure no OOPSEY pregnancies. BTW this should be for at least 5wks

[miabellaamoure]

Originally Posted by gemy

So you brought in an unspayed female, with an intact male. You kindof didn't intend to breed her until after her third heat? May I ask how old she is right now?

So in my opinion, you did at least want to keep your options open, and therefor were purchasing a "breeding" bitch for $150. Wow. I commend you for following up with the breeder. But you have now bred her, and in all good faith you should likely pay this breeder the $300. Have an exchange of money for filled out paperwork.

I wish a healthy whelp and do hope you have a knowledgeable vet and mentor in place, you will need both, as a novice breeder.

And for future reference belly bands and diapers are not contraceptive gear. You must keep your dogs separated, crated, and in separate rooms, exercised separately etc, to insure no OOPSEY pregnancies. BTW this should be for at least 5wks

And let's not forget to mention that "if" breeding were even the remotest thing in your mind you should hope that either of these two are of breeding quality.

This is such a sad scenario...and they just never end.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by taren

IT is sad that I am her 4th owner. She is a wonderful dog, but just has jumping and nipping issues. she listens when you tell her to stop biting but she forgets. she jumps bc she is so happy to see people. i hope i can get her to stop. she is the most lovable huggable dog unlike my harley, he is more independant. he just always wants to play fetch. they get a long great and they are sooo much fun and fun to watch.

I had diapers on gabby and kept my dogs seperated when i was at work or out running errands. I turned my back for a few minutes while I was cleaning my living room and realized they were MIA, so i went to front room and there they were, locked cheek to cheek, through the diaper and all. i was devasted. i personally wanted to wait until after her third heat cycle if I WERE going to breed her and educate myself on breeding yorkies before doing so.

the difference between ckc and akc is the size and markings of the dog i guess. to be akc the yorkie has to meet certain height and weight measurements. akc has much higher standards. but i love both my dogs just the way they are. just need to get past this hump. no pun intended..........

A diaper is not a chastity belt, it will do nothing from keeping them from tying.

The difference between ckc and akc is not just the size and marking of the dog. CKC (if it is Continental) is completely worthless, and you shouldn't pay the breeder money for worthless papers.

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Is this the reputable Canadian Kennel Club or is this the paper registry, Continental Kennel Club? You can register any dog with the Continental Kennel Club even a mixed breed. People who don’t have breeding rights to dogs often register the offspring with the Continental Kennel Club. The papers are worthless.

I can't believe it took this long for someone to ask this. That was my first question!

[Rhetts_mama]

So, the breeder sold the dog on a limited registration pending a spay. The first owner didn't comply. Now you, the 4th owner want the breeder to cough up breeding rights to the girl. Am I understanding this correctly?

It seems pretty simple to me. The breeder did nothing wrong with selling the dogs without the papers on condition of a spay. It's what responsible breeders do to control their lines. If you want the rights and she's willing to sell the to you, then you have to buy them at the price she set. She's under no obligation to sell them to you, as her contract was never with you.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by taren

I am sorry if anyone thinks ill will of me or offended anyone. I had an unexpected situation happen and an issue to go along with that unexpected situation. I didn't come here to be judged or frowned upon. i have the best dogs and would do anything and everything to do what was best for them. i always try to educate myself and call my vet for any concerns when it comes to my babies. I am a new yorkie owner as my oldest is two and my youngest is one. I am still learning. i know nothing about breeding, or the whole registration thing. i came here for help.

How many dogs do you have now, and are any of them spayed or neutered? The best for them is to have them altered. Not only will it cut back the chances of them getting certain cancers, it will 100% keep your female from pyometria, which can be a deadly condition.

About your registration questions, if they are no AKC, there is absolutely NO reason to pay the money to have them registered. The papers you get will be worthless. And if the puppies that will be sold are to people who only want papers, any papers, they don't know those aren't worth anything either, and no papers are needed. Heck, print some out of your own computer, they will have the same worth.

[Jacksmom052709]

Originally Posted by FoxxysMom

I read thinking I may be,able to add input but am confused. I read three times but still don't understand. You got Gabby for $150 then she was sold again for $750? Or was she sold before you bought her to someone else for $750 then returned and you bougjt het for $150 thinking she was spayed but she wasn't now she is pregnant and you need papers to sell puppies?
I'm not sure if I said it all right but in honesty, after learning so much on YT, you may want to save the time and just rehome the babies as pets. I got AKC papers for my guy and never sent them in. Since I'm not showing him or breeding, he is my personal AKC ( All Kinds of Cute).
When I see an ad for CKC puppy, I have to resist the urge to ask why they aren't AKC.
I would just not struggle with the breeder for CKC papers and concentrate on good homes for the puppies then spay Gabby.
Is the dad AKC or CKC? I'm no breeder nor do I know a lot, just didn't want you to stress out thinking the babies may not get hones if they don't have papers.
Good luck to you guys.

Me too! Good advice - no sense struggling with the breeder, in my opinion.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

So, the breeder sold the dog on a limited registration pending a spay. The first owner didn't comply. Now you, the 4th owner want the breeder to cough up breeding rights to the girl. Am I understanding this correctly?

It seems pretty simple to me. The breeder did nothing wrong with selling the dogs without the papers on condition of a spay. It's what responsible breeders do to control their lines. If you want the rights and she's willing to sell the to you, then you have to buy them at the price she set. She's under no obligation to sell them to you, as her contract was never with you.

While I agree with most you posted, I don't agree that this particular breeder is responsible. CKC registration first of all. Second, is ok with selling breeding rights of one of her dogs to a complete strange as long as she forks over $300. I think this whole situation is messed up starting from the breeder.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by miabellaamoure

And let's not forget to mention that "if" breeding were even the remotest thing in your mind you should hope that either of these two are of breeding quality.

This is such a sad scenario...and they just never end.

Yes I know. I'm assuming this is Continental and not Canadian kennel club. So what more can I say? Why would any breed worthy dog be shown in Continental?
I think I will petition my CKC to change their name. How about THE ONLY CKC that matters? Or LCKC. Legitimate Canadian Kennel club.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

While I agree with most you posted, I don't agree that this particular breeder is responsible. CKC registration first of all. Second, is ok with selling breeding rights of one of her dogs to a complete strange as long as she forks over $300. I think this whole situation is messed up starting from the breeder.

I agree!!!! You would think the breeder would have a concern that this dog has been rehomed several times and is now gonna be made a breeder. But she just wants money

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

While I agree with most you posted, I don't agree that this particular breeder is responsible. CKC registration first of all. Second, is ok with selling breeding rights of one of her dogs to a complete strange as long as she forks over $300. I think this whole situation is messed up starting from the breeder.

I agree that this isn't the most responsible breeder in the world. But if I'm reading things correctly, the original contract required a spay before papers were produced. The fact that she's willing to sell them now for extra $ doesn't speak all that highly of her ethics, but neither should she be expected to hand them over just because a 4th owner wants them. Personally, I would have told the new owner "tough luck".

[FoxxysMom]

In a nutshell, what some are saying is CKC paperwork isnt worth fighting the breeder for. Being CKC registered won't make the puppies any more valuable or any less lovable.

[taren]

i guess i never should have come here. from what i am learning from all of you is that i paid $300 for my first CKC dog with papers. and the papers are worthless.

i wanted a playmate for my male dog and my one and only son went off to college and was needing a little something more to help me with my empty nest syndrome. i shopped around for two months two find the most compatible playmate for my dog, who happened to be a "bitch".... but contacted the breeder AS SOON as i bought her knowing how much she cost and then received email saying that her dad was $2400 and she is worth so much more and blah blah blah and everyone is telling me the papers are worthless? and she wants to charge me $300 for worthless papers?

AND i'm a money grabber when intitially before i got gabby i wanted to mate harley with a female to trade his service for one of his puppies. and then make his puppy his playmate........and then get him fixed.

so i am PURE EVIL i guess because i turned my back for five minutes and admit to failure. and then ask because I DONT KNOW.

[taren]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

I agree that this isn't the most responsible breeder in the world. But if I'm reading things correctly, the original contract required a spay before papers were produced. The fact that she's willing to sell them now for extra $ doesn't speak all that highly of her ethics, but neither should she be expected to hand them over just because a 4th owner wants them. Personally, I would have told the new owner "tough luck".

i was just stating on here what i was told by ckc regulations and from what i read on their website and the info i have from them when i got my other dog. they state as breeder/owner that they are to transfer any paperwork to new owner and they register new puppy litters for free. i dont understand....everyone is biting my head off.

[Lovetodream88]

You need to get your girl spayed now and then get your boy neutered. If you are the girls 4th home that poor baby has been through to much to be a mom in my opinion. CKC papers are useless because anyone can register there dog as a pure breed when it may not be.