Ignorance is bliss, right?

[gloriajean]

I have a breeder friend that has AKC breeding dogs but she registered them with CKC-Continental Kennel Club so that she could register their puppies CKC because CKC does NOT charge for registeringa liter like AKC does. If a buyer wants AKC papers she has them pay the fee that AKC charges. Maybe that what's your breeder did??

[gemy]

Originally Posted by gloriajean

I have a breeder friend that has AKC breeding dogs but she registered them with CKC-Continental Kennel Club so that she could register their puppies CKC because CKC does NOT charge for registeringa liter like AKC does. If a buyer wants AKC papers she has them pay the fee that AKC charges. Maybe that what's your breeder did??

That is illegal per AKC rules (I believe). But it smacks to me of pennypinching attitude. What I would ask myself is what other short cuts would this breeder take in order to save a buck? No pre breeding tests? No OFA's no CERF"s, no LP examinations, no BATS?, no tracking of the health of her previous litters? No scrutiny of her line and the health problems within it?

[Donnainohio63]

If you do not want Teddy sleeping with you do not make the mistake of putting him in bed with you, not even once. I let Thor and Little Bit in bed with us and now we have 5 dogs sleeping with us. Molly sleeps with me because I put her in a x-pen the first night and she was so scared so I just could not bring myself to put her back in there because she is a puppy mill dog and I just could not do that to her. So needless to say I am sure glad we have a king size bed, but since I broke my ankle I have been sleeping downstairs on the hide a bed because I cant do steps and now I have all 5 of them with me in the small bed lol. I would try a stuffed animal, it worked with one of my puppies. They think it is one of their siblings. As far as Teddy being a pure bred, I guess that really does not matter now, he is yours and you love him.

[gemy]

[QUOTE=TeddyGrahams;3730054]I did ask her about the AKC information before I gave her a deposit. She said she will get it printed out for me when I pick him up, so when I asked her why the papers were not AKC she said it was cheaper to register her litter with APRI. However, when I asked her to supply the parents paperwork (in person yesterday) she said she didn't have it printed out. I assume she doesn't have any. She seemed like a really good breeder but I guess she learned how to tell people what they want to hear. I will report her to the AKC as well as APRI if the pup is indeed a mix as well as for lying to me. Ugh people are so disappointing.


What is done is done, and the following is not meant as a criticism, but for future readers to know what their RIGHTS are prior deposits, prior signing a contract, etc, etc.

Number one: You have the right to ask what registry the dam and sire are registered under and to receive this information. Both registration number and official name should be provided to you, right away, no delay, no print out reports, no b.s. whatsoever.
For example if you were to ask me over the phone what is the registered name of my Yorkie, I don't have to pause, I don't have to look up anything, I say Rigair Sir Razzle Dazzle. With this name alone, you can see him registered in AKC, in CKC (Canadian Kennel Club), you can look up in OFA to see if he has anything there, in CERF database etc. With this name, you can secure his pedigree, to check out his lineage, and what health tests were done throughout that lineage.

Accept no demurral, no explanation, for a breeder who does not know the registered name of their dog. The possible exception is with foreign registeries and by that I mean registries from Europe, where the registered name is a mouthful for the owner to speak. Even still the owner should try to sound out the name, and if they are anything like I, say look, I'll email you her name and registration number.


Here is how I would respond when the breeder said to me; "I will print out the report, when I pick him up".

Sorry, I'm afaird you don't understand me, I need to take a look at their pedigree, and their posted health tests, before I can commit to any purchase of your puppy, no matter how cute he/she looks. This is quite simply due diligence on my part. I'm sure everything is as you say it is
And oh yes, I do know that no health registry records BAT results, so please fax me or scan their test results to my email addy at xxxxx. or fax number at .........

Yorkies have their fair share of health problems, and a discerning public who wishes to purchase a Yorkie, should check to see what health tests the dam and sire have had. If more buyers ask for this, and walk away when they don't receive legitimate information, it is one of the ways the Yorkie lovers can help to keep breeders "honest". Honest in their commitment to breed only healthy dogs, at the minimum.

This is not about oh I don't want a show dog, I just want a PET!. You deserve a PET that is every bit as healthy as any show dog. You deserve a PET that has good healthy structure, that will allow this dog to live a long a well life with you!.

And another thing any breeder worth their salt will know if their puppy at 10-12 wks old has "loose" knee caps. Breeders now should probably keep their pups until 16wks so that they can perform the BATs test prior to placing a puppy.

Please explain to your vet your concerns about the parentage of this pup, how you were mislead, and that you really, really need to know, if this pup is of sound body and healthy mind.




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[gemy]

Forgot to mention.. I'm assuming you will keep this pup no matter what, so get HEALTH INSURANCE now right away prior any vet diagnosis of anything.

It is a prudent financial thing to do. Get one that covers genetic defects etc.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by gemy

That is illegal per AKC rules (I believe). But it smacks to me of pennypinching attitude. What I would ask myself is what other short cuts would this breeder take in order to save a buck? No pre breeding tests? No OFA's no CERF"s, no LP examinations, no BATS?, no tracking of the health of her previous litters? No scrutiny of her line and the health problems within it?

Agree. How much could it cost to register the dam/sire/litter? Surely less than any of these needed tests.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

Agree. How much could it cost to register the dam/sire/litter? Surely less than any of these needed tests.

From the AKC website:http://www.akc.org/pdfs/literap.pdf

It looks like a one time cost of $25 plus $2 for each puppy whelped.

Laughable in terms of what the pre breeding tests costs.

So we have a breeder who has oh lets say 4 pups and wants to save $33 bucks???
You've got to be kidding me.

[TeddyGrahams]

@ Gemy, thank you for all the useful information. You have been fantastic! I totally thought I had this covered until it came down to a bunch of lies. I should have just walked away but yea what's done is done and I will love this pup no matter what. Just a terrible learning experience when I thought I had did so well. It's inevitable that we will get another dog at some point and now I know better than to take someones word for it.

Also, YES! As soon as he has his first vet appointment (Friday, his poop was still soft but had form and he's eating and drinking well) we're enrolling with PetPlan.


As for Teddy well the rest of the morning went quite well. Before going to work Hubby propped up the crate so that Teddy will see me in bed. Teddy was comfortable knowing I was right there and so we both fell asleep for about 5hrs. (Teddy in the crate, me in my bed) Teddy will cry when I get up to use the restroom, which happens A LOT so I will praise him when he stays quiet but will stay in the bathroom if he cries. When he stops crying I tell him "good boy!" I think if I keep doing it, it will work. He seems like he was catching on.

I will not let him sleep in my bed, even though it's super tempting I know in the long run he will never learn to be comfortable with the kennel if I just cave. Thanks for the tips everyone! Hopefully things will be smoother tonight >< I hope

[My lil friend]

Your baby is very cute and sounds like he is also very smart and already attached to you.

[DvlshAngel985]

I'm so sorry you were lied to. Welcome to the most unfortunate club.

I hope you and Teddy have a happy healthy life together. You can't ask for much more.

[southernbelle04]

I just wanted to say Welcome! Your baby is a cutie!

[yorkiemini]

I don't know as much about AKC registration and such like so many of the others do, but my first Yorkie was AKC registered -- however she was not a perfect example of a Yorkie. She did, however, has a great personality and I enjoyed 13 years of love and devotion from her -- she had a number of health problems (probably genetic) battled all of them and she was just great through all of it. So I'm not sure having or not having an AKC certification may be all that important.

My current Yorkie is an almost perfect Yorkie -- if there is such a thing, she is it! Of course, I am not un-prejudiced in my opinion!!! LOL
I love her dearly, but not more than my previous Yorkie, AKC credentials are not the main thing when it comes to love.

My Cali is a Service Dog, but remarkably most Service Dogs are not AKC registered dogs, but WOW what they provide for their handlers!!!

The hard part is the place you are in now -- raising a puppy is hard work, isn't it. Cali has slept with me since the 3rd night I had her, but I agree that you should not do that unless it is your plan.

Good Luck and Dog Bless you!!!!

[chachi]

I know you have some registration problems but I do think your dog is pure bred. He looks like a parti but he has a lot of tan thats why I asked if he had any black because he looks like golden partis I have seen

[courtney1121]

One thing you shouldn't do is let them out when they are whining. This will give him the impression that he'll be let out if he whines so he'll keep doing it. My boyfriend let Geno out of the room one night while he was whining since I was trying to go to bed early. So for the next few nights after that, I had to deal with him crying for an hour by the door. My boyfriend asked me if he should let him out and I said no. He needs to learn again that allowing him out will make him think he'll get out when he cries. We had him on a good routine of going to bed with mommy so we had to get him back into it. He's good now. So yes it takes time, and patience. LOTS of patience!

Something I read on here that I thought was really good advice is to take him on a walk before bedtime if you can or even have some hardcore play time with him before bed! Some YTers have gotten one of those heartbeat dogs. They are stuffed animals that have a battery powered beating heart in them. Puppies are suppose to associate it with sleeping with their litter mates since they feel/hear their litter mates heartbeats while they are snuggled up with them. You could try that.

[TeddyGrahams]

Originally Posted by yorkiemini

AKC credentials are not the main thing when it comes to love.

Of course, however the AKC was credibility in a sense. I know that "perfect" dogs aren't all AKC registered but most reputable breeders register their pups with AKC making it easy to trace their lineage. That way it's not as simple to sell someone a mixed breed. It was the fact that the breeder lied about it that upset me most. I thought I had went over every provision to make sure that I was going to get a well bred dog, but instead it was lies. So now I have a pup whose lineage is not traceable and now I have to pay even more money to make sure he's in the best health. I wasn't trying to make it sound like him being AKC would make him any more loveable. I just don't like being deceived.

He's VERY lovable actually, and so smart!

He looks like a parti but he has a lot of tan thats why I asked if he had any black because he looks like golden partis I have seen

Yea he has tan and his tail ad just his tail is black. I did see his parents that looked like yorkie's the mom was a golden and the dad was parti

One thing you shouldn't do is let them out when they are whining. This will give him the impression that he'll be let out if he whines so he'll keep doing it.

Yup. Issue at hand, like I said earlier it's hard to just ignore him because I live in a townhouse and the walls are paper thin. It's very disturbing to the neighbors if I just let him cry and bark and wail. When I take a shower he has to be in the crate and he will whine the whole time. The first night he cried for hours. I kept waiting for a few seconds of silence so I could praise him for being quiet but he kept going and going.

We found putting the crate facing our bed at night was the best thing because he can see and smell us, so he didn't cry but 3 times last night (each time I took him to potty and then put him back) it went well. I feel decently rested

He does cry when I get up to use the restroom so I stay in the bathroom until he's quiet and then I come out and praise him for being quiet. He did /very/ well. So yea, just gotta figure out how to get him comfortable with being alone in the crate which will take some time I suppose. Sucks cuz I got a dr's appointment tomorrow so he'll be alone for a few hours.


And thank you to all those for advice and comments. He sure is a cute little bugger