What exactly is a parti yorkie?

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by trishaandtim

This is this confusing part. Yeah but my female will be coming from a party yorkie, if i buy her, Just wanted to make sure things were legit. What it all comes down to, is if my male hooked up with a parti yorkie and made' party color' yorkies, would they be recognized by AKC...Yes or No..Could I get papers showing parti, even though I dont see the option. If AKC is the only person who can tell me, Ill call them in the morning, I just thought I would get a less hazy answer here.

PS. Once again it seems like people are getting mad at me. 1000$ is alot of money to me. I just thought I could ask a helpful yorkie community that would help me clarify my questions about it.

If your AKC male "hooked up" with an AKC parti yorkie and made parti color yorkies, then yes, they could be AKC registered. If you want to be certain you are not going to have parti color pups, then I would suggest you select another breeder, especially if you do not know if your male is a carrier.

When registering parti color yorkies, you do have to mail in the paperwork (there is no online registration), along with pictures of the parti color yorkie. I believe the parti color code is written in, unless the forms have changed.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

Trisha -- I am sorry you are getting such treatment when you are trying to verify some things before buying a yorkie! We tell people to research before buying and then when you do this happens! I would think the Parti owners/breeders here would WELCOME a chance to explain their dogs and registration process to someone who has stated several times she is looking to buy a tri-color pup! Parti yorkies are registered through AKC. I know it does not say it on the registration application. I don't know what bchgrl is talking about because my applications do not list any designation for the parti. But if you contact AKC they WILL tel you how to do it. Many here have partis that are AKC registered.

The disqualification is for showing them. They cannot be shown in an AKC sponsored show or they will be disqualified. But you can register them, even breed them. There is a great deal of debate over whether that is a good idea. I for one, believe that only dogs that meet the standard should be bred. But many others feel differently. So, if you respect the breeder, find her ethical and caring in the way she is breeding her dogs, and you want a tri-color dog, I would definately trust she is telling the truth on the registration part. I am like you -- I want toverify things, especially when I am looking at a registration application and seeing no parti choice. But do not worry -- AKC will tell you how to go about registering your tri-color pup.

BTW Biewers cannot be registered with AKC -- another debate because many saythey are the same dog as the parti. But the Biewer people are saying the dog is not a yorkie and they are trying to get Biewers recognized by AKC as their own breed.

Just what "treatment" has the OP received in your opinion? I think the OP has received excellent advice from those familiar with the parti and how to reg them. Responses such as this is why parti threads get heated and closed. But that has come to be expected in any thread containing the word "parti" on here lately.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by trishaandtim

Wow, I started another war.

Actually if you'll read the whole thread, youll see that I have a male yorkie, and I was interested in purchasing a female 'from a lady that ive already talked to'. She is telling me this AKC registered parti color puppy. All im saying is that party color is not even an option on my papers, for Yorkie, The AKC site says this.


at this site:

http://www.akc.org/breeds/yorkshire_terrier/

I was just wanting help 'only' to make sure that I didnt get scammed by someone, Im not insulting the breed, ::SIGH'S::, I was told i was steppig on a landmine just by asking this question, I just want to make sure the dog is legit before I bought it, I really want her, Ive been waiting for her for a month and a half, I just want to make sure shes recognized by AKC regardless of what i do with her. And ive heard lots of discussion. It seems like everyone says something different, Just considering the above quote from AKC....Im just wanting someone to clear the confusion.

Sorry if I stepped on toes

Trisha

You haven't stepped on any toes. Don't even know why you would think that. Sounds like the breeder is being open and honest about the parti lines being in her pups. If you do not want the pie-bald gene in your future pups..walk away! It's that simple.
By all means...check out the YTCA breeders. But be forwarned...parti pups have popped up in a few of their litters as well.
But to answer your original question...the parti yorkie is indeed a pure bred yorkie and is registerable with the AKC.

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Just what "treatment" has the OP received in your opinion? I think the OP has received excellent advice from those familiar with the parti and how to reg them. Responses such as this is why parti threads get heated and closed. But that has come to be expected in any thread containing the word "parti" on here lately.

LOL!! I was wondering about the "treatment" too. There was advice given and no where was anyone getting mad/upset.

Good luck with your new puppy. It sounds like you are not completely trusting your breeder so you might want to look elsewhere. Maybe FlDebra would know of some that she could suggest since she breeds traditionals.

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

You haven't stepped on any toes. Don't even know why you would think that. Sounds like the breeder is being open and honest about the parti lines being in her pups. If you do not want the pie-bald gene in your future pups..walk away! It's that simple.
By all means...check out the YTCA breeders. But be forwarned...parti pups have popped up in a few of their litters as well.
But to answer your original question...the parti yorkie is indeed a pure bred yorkie and is registerable with the AKC.

Why the smiley face? This is what happens when you.......mix. Stick with the standard, and do not cross for dollars.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

Why the smiley face? This is what happens when you.......mix. Stick with the standard, and do not cross for dollars.

Every single dog breed is a mix, otherwise they'd all look like wolves.

So you are able prove that the parti color is a result of other breeds of dogs being introduced AFTER the Yorkshire terrier became a breed in the late 1800's and not as a result of the unregistered, heritage unknown dogs who started this breed, dogs like the Maltese? Maltese are stated in many early historical books as being used in the make up of the YT - Maltese are the extreme example of piebald.

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

Every single dog breed is a mix, otherwise they'd all look like wolves.

So you are able prove that the parti color is a result of other breeds of dogs being introduced AFTER the Yorkshire terrier became a breed in the late 1800's and not as a result of the unregistered, heritage unknown dogs who started this breed, dogs like the Maltese? Maltese are stated in many early historical books as being used in the make up of the YT - Maltese are the extreme example of piebald.

I take it that you are a Parti Breeder? How many of your dogs won BOB at a AKC show? Has the price for a Parti dropped in the past few years. People still getting $5000-8000 a pup? Why water down the breed standard? There is an AKC breed standard. 2 wrongs do not make a right. That is the last I will say on this as I have a few Parti Followers that love to report me, you know, for my own protection. Wink wink

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

Why the smiley face? This is what happens when you.......mix. Stick with the standard, and do not cross for dollars.

Karen was explaining that the parti has shown up in show breeder lines as well and then you say, in response, to stick with the standard and do not cross for dollars. Are you also saying that the show breeder(s) that now know that their line is producing partis are doing it for the money? They are still showing their carriers, by the way....so who knows, maybe there will be a parti BOB one day.

They are still breeding, showing and selling their line to other show breeders so the sky's the limit for the future of the parti. It's a recessive gene and it's here to stay...especially with the carriers being shown (and bred).

[AlicetheYorkie]

Originally Posted by trishaandtim

This is this confusing part. Yeah but my female will be coming from a party yorkie, if i buy her, Just wanted to make sure things were legit. What it all comes down to, is if my male hooked up with a parti yorkie and made' party color' yorkies, would they be recognized by AKC...Yes or No..Could I get papers showing parti, even though I dont see the option. If AKC is the only person who can tell me, Ill call them in the morning, I just thought I would get a less hazy answer here.

PS. Once again it seems like people are getting mad at me. 1000$ is alot of money to me. I just thought I could ask a helpful yorkie community that would help me clarify my questions about it.

YES - parti colored yorkies CAN be registered with the AKC BUT they can NOT be show dogs, I think that's what you're asking. If you're buying a dog from a breeder who's dogs are AKC registered, she will have already registered the puppies, you just have to put the dog in your name with the AKC. IF you decided to breed your dogs and they are both registered with the AKC, the whole litter WILL be able to be registered with the AKC, parti or traditional. You're not planning on producing "show quality" puppies (otherwise you wouldn't be purchasing from someone breeding with a parti, so that's not an issue. Many people here have AKC registerd parti Yorkies, but they're not show dogs, that's the difference. There are thousands of dogs registered with the AKC who do not meet the perfect standards of a show dog, doesn't mean they can't be registered.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

I take it that you are a Parti Breeder? How many of your dogs won BOB at a AKC show? Has the price for a Parti dropped in the past few years. People still getting $5000-8000 a pup? Why water down the breed standard? There is an AKC breed standard. 2 wrongs do not make a right. That is the last I will say on this as I have a few Parti Followers that love to report me, you know, for my own protection. Wink wink

Now Shodanusmc, you know I am a parti breeder, we've had a few discussions before along these lines

We're not watering down the breed standard; we're adding nothing that already wasn't in the YT gene pool. The YTCA has made it impossible for one of our dogs to win BOB at an AKC show but it's ok for off colored, soft coated black and golds to win BOB or a light blue to win BOB? You say two wrongs don't make a right (not sure I know what two wrongs you're talking about) well, a double set of standards don't make it right either.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

Why the smiley face? This is what happens when you.......mix. Stick with the standard, and do not cross for dollars.

Steve, I think it has been established that not all parti breeders are breeding for the money, anymore than all traditional color, specifically exhibitor/breeders are breeding for money. Also, it has been established that parti color yorkies are not mixes, otherwise I don't believe AKC would ever have allowed them to be registered. Are there mixes out there, yes I'm sure there are. Have traditional color yorkie breeders had DNA and registration problems with their kennels......yes, most certainly!

Why is it so hard for those against parti color yorkies to understand that there are those that have fallen in love with parti color yorkies and have an interest in continuing the color variation? They are not breeding for the love of money, but for the love of the variation. There are many traditional color exhibitor/breeders, that although they would never openly admit it, are definitely breeding for profit (some with well known kennel names).

The mantra is ........"they are breeding for their next show dog....come on now.....just how many litters a year does an exhibitor need to produce to have that next show puppy? Not near as many as some of them produce. It's not unusual for show breeders to charge a minimum of $2,000 for one of their pups, and more if it is a show prospect being sold. From my experience, that amount isn't much different than what is charged for a parti or Biewer pup.

Btw.....perhaps some partis or Biewer pups do sell for $5-8K, as do some traditional color pups. I've not seen either advertised on YT and would think one foolish to pay that amount....but hey, it's not my business what someone pays for their pup. If the seller and buyer come to an agreed price, that is between them.

[AlicetheYorkie]

How did I know this thread was going to go in this direction

OP - if you're really concerned, don't buy from that breeder I also suggest that you learn a whole LOT more before you even consider breeding anyway. AKC papers isn't even the half of it. If you want to buy one of the traditional colored pups from the breeder you have spoken to, get it nuetered and spend as much time as you can learning about the breed and everything involved in breeding from someone who really experienced, then down the road you can reconsider it.

Everyone's getting all crazy here about partis (again) and no one is talking to this person about the fact that she is wanting to breed and still knows little about Yorkies. OP, please don't think I'm being mean here, I'm truely just trying to answer your questions and help you, but I honestly don't think you're ready for breeding yet if you don't understand the process of registering. Keep learning first, maybe find a breeding mentor

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by trishaandtim

Hi, I am fairly new to raising yorkies, and I currently have one little yorkie and am currently looking for another, I am having some confusion understanding exactly what a parti yorkie, bewier yorkie is.

Ive been told that this is a cross between a Pomeranian and a yorkie, ive heard that this breweir yorkie is also sometimes called the parti yorkie, And that they cannot be registered AKC,

Ive also been told that Parti yorkie is just a color variatation of the regular yorkshire terrier and is just fine, and recognized by AKC . But I notice on my papers for my Blue and Tan yorkie that there is not even a option box to select 'party' colors.

So can someone tell me if this is an actual yorkie, or a cross breed, or a mutation, or a whole different dog, or a mutt even, and if it is AKC recogonized. Also ive heard these same kind of stories about the solid gold yorkies.

Any clarification or help is greatly appreciated,
Thanks in advance,

( dont want to be buying scam dog )

When I read this thread yesterday all I could think was~poor thing had no idea Pandora's Box was opened. My suggestion ask for this thread to be closed since we can all see just where this is headed~again. The OPer of any thread can request by clicking the little triangle on the left under the avatar and requests it to be closed without reason. This will continue for days ad nauseam continuing on this path and eventually be closed anyway. Why just not end the misery now.

I'm not sure if you planned on breeding from your posts, but please do a lot more research prior to crossing that bridge. Welcome to YorkieTalk and please don't let your first posting deter your questions in the future.

[AlicetheYorkie]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

When I read this thread yesterday all I could think was~poor thing had no idea Pandora's Box was opened. My suggestion ask for this thread to be closed since we can all see just where this is headed~again. The OPer of any thread can request by clicking the little triangle on the left under the avatar and requests it to be closed without reason. This will continue for days ad nauseam continuing on this path and eventually be closed anyway. Why just not end the misery now.

I'm not sure if you planned on breeding from your posts, but please do a lot more research prior to crossing that bridge. Welcome to YorkieTalk and please don't let your first posting deter your questions in the future.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

Karen was explaining that the parti has shown up in show breeder lines as well and then you say, in response, to stick with the standard and do not cross for dollars. Are you also saying that the show breeder(s) that now know that their line is producing partis are doing it for the money? They are still showing their carriers, by the way....so who knows, maybe there will be a parti BOB one day.

They are still breeding, showing and selling their line to other show breeders so the sky's the limit for the future of the parti. It's a recessive gene and it's here to stay...especially with the carriers being shown (and bred).

And that's the best part!!