Wow!!

[Furbaby Friend]

I know the breeding threads tend to get heated around here and IMO they should. Who waits until the ACTUAL due date to begin doing any kind of learning?

I am sorry, you are responsible for your dog. Period end of story. Whether you meant for the pregnancy to happen or not, the very SECOND you found out your girl was preggers you should have been talking to a vet experienced with pregnancy, scouring books/information, finding a mentor, etc. If you don't know what you are doing with this sort of thing, you IMMEDIATELY begin educating yourself and getting help. It is common sense, you are responsible for the safety of those little lives!

You shouldn't be here the day of asking what you are supposed to be doing. You should know the signs of labor, the supplies you need, what you should be feeding mom, etc. These things are NOT hard to find if you look.
Heck, I have no intention of breeding or interest in it, but even I know these things from just reading!

If I was in such a situation, you can bet your bum I would have found it as soon as possible. It isn't like your dog hasn't been preggers for WEEKS, you had plenty of time to prepare yourself. If you didn't then you deserve all the criticism you get and then some. You are irresponsible and endangering the lives of your pups.

[concretegurl]

Oh pick me......because larger dogs don't have predominant health issues like smaller ones and if you study the real history of Yorkies the "standard" now is kind of a joke considering the first recorded Yorkies-they were all teapots...okay...sorry I couldn't help it............see how easy passions run high and things get totally off the topic...(....pssttttt I too believe Partis (tri colored or the appearance of white) a natural form of Yorkies historically speaking too and geez please no one change this thread in that direction I'm just sayin' a comment like that can cause a whole thread to get all bittered and off the point that quickly...)

I get all cheesed off with this site being treated like YTCA Talk and not Yorkie Talk ...okay I'll shush myself now.......promise (where's the smiley with hands over mouth or a zipper mouth-?)

But the reality of it is there is a vast amount of knowledge, sharing , and generally really fun stuff on here that...you just have to realize at some point you will tick off ppl or they will tick you off too...I apologize in advance to the next person for the next thing I do to tick them off...

Originally Posted by Lil Sis

I also am a bit tired of the "debate" over small (say the 3 pounders) vs the over standard size. Why is it ok to brag you have a big dog (happy for you.. love the dog) but you are attacked if you have a small dog.. heaven help you if you say you want a small dog...aren't both out of standard ? Of course I am not talking about the tiny ting unhealthy dogs.. just a normal small yorkie.
All in all .... I love this site and I love the people

[Reese1]

Let's face it the vast majority of threads you are describing deal with breeding or health issues.
When it comes to health issues, sometimes people need to be blunt and direct. People should not rely on a public forum instead of going to their vet for health issues. I realize sometimes people can't afford vet care, but sometimes people do not take issues seriously or try and hold back on the expense and this is when emotions start to rise.
As far as breeding. This is a site dedicated to a breed we all love. So I seriously doubt it will ever change. When people come on here that are participating in questionable breeding, buying from questionable breeders or supporting them, that is always going to cause a lot of emotions.
As someone else pointed out. There are plenty of other sites and methods to learn about breeding, health issues, etc.. Anytime you come on a public forum you have to expect a broad spectrum of opinions and emotions.
People are not going to condone situations that jeopardize the health and well being of Yorkies.

[Lil Sis]

I agree.. I don't think standards are a joke.. but they have changed over time so why do some of the breeders fight all change.. idk Maybe I will understand when and IF I become a breeder.

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Oh pick me......because larger dogs don't have predominant health issues like smaller ones and if you study the real history of Yorkies the "standard" now is kind of a joke considering the first recorded Yorkies-they were all teapots...okay...sorry I couldn't help it............see how easy passions run high and things get totally off the topic...(....pssttttt I too believe Partis (tri colored or the appearance of white) a natural form of Yorkies historically speaking too and geez please no one change this thread in that direction I'm just sayin' a comment like that can cause a whole thread to get all bittered and off the point that quickly...)

I said small yorkies (like the 3 or 4 lbs who are breed correctly without health issues... not the teeny tiny ones.


What is YTCA???

I get all cheesed off with this site being treated like YTCA Talk and not Yorkie Talk ...okay I'll shush myself now.......promise (where's the smiley with hands over mouth or a zipper mouth-?)

Great Points
But the reality of it is there is a vast amount of knowledge, sharing , and generally really fun stuff on here that...you just have to realize at some point you will tick off ppl or they will tick you off too...I apologize in advance to the next person for the next thing I do to tick them off...

Originally Posted by Reese1

Let's face it the vast majority of threads you are describing deal with breeding or health issues.
When it comes to health issues, sometimes people need to be blunt and direct. People should not rely on a public forum instead of going to their vet for health issues. I realize sometimes people can't afford vet care, but sometimes people do not take issues seriously or try and hold back on the expense and this is when emotions start to rise.
As far as breeding. This is a site dedicated to a breed we all love. So I seriously doubt it will ever change. When people come on here that are participating in questionable breeding, buying from questionable breeders or supporting them, that is always going to cause a lot of emotions.
As someone else pointed out. There are plenty of other sites and methods to learn about breeding, health issues, etc.. Anytime you come on a public forum you have to expect a broad spectrum of opinions and emotions.
People are not going to condone situations that jeopardize the health and well being of Yorkies.

I was thinking that just after I made my last post... I have wondered into the breeder area and I just get so lost.. I do think the passions are higher ..but they should be if it is a good breader!!!!

Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend

I know the breeding threads tend to get heated around here and IMO they should. Who waits until the ACTUAL due date to begin doing any kind of learning?

I am sorry, you are responsible for your dog. Period end of story. Whether you meant for the pregnancy to happen or not, the very SECOND you found out your girl was preggers you should have been talking to a vet experienced with pregnancy, scouring books/information, finding a mentor, etc. If you don't know what you are doing with this sort of thing, you IMMEDIATELY begin educating yourself and getting help. It is common sense, you are responsible for the safety of those little lives!

I also agree... I don't understand someone who would breed without research and help... period!!! If not just for the quality of the puppy for the health of the dam!!!!!! Why are you wanting help now?


You shouldn't be here the day of asking what you are supposed to be doing. You should know the signs of labor, the supplies you need, what you should be feeding mom, etc. These things are NOT hard to find if you look.
Heck, I have no intention of breeding or interest in it, but even I know these things from just reading!

If I was in such a situation, you can bet your bum I would have found it as soon as possible. It isn't like your dog hasn't been preggers for WEEKS, you had plenty of time to prepare yourself. If you didn't then you deserve all the criticism you get and then some. You are irresponsible and endangering the lives of your pups.

Again... I love this site... it has made me a better dog mommy!!!!!! And I thank all of you who have given me advice... I do think we all are abrupt at times.. but such is life.
If a member leaves because their hand is not patted and someone tells them it is ok you did not take your dog to a vet, or you 6 month old is having a litter, or...... then they really did not want advice they wanted confermation that they did not do wrong!!

[chachi]

Another thing that burns me is when someone has a cutesy approach to breeding. The one the other day where the person refered to their dog as preggo. Breeding is serious business they are putting a dogs life in danger and they are bringing more dogs in the world when the shelters are overflowing with dogs.

[Lula-Mae Famous]

Originally Posted by dexterandalana

i understand your point and some people can be harsh to newbies. but most are doing it out of love for the breed and animals. far too many people are ignorant of the facts of how unnecissary dog breedings are a direct cause of the over population of shelters and rescue groups.

i urge anyone who is thinking of breeding their dog just because they think their dog is cute, or just to make a couple bucks without being serious to read this article....

My Name is Sam | Life With Dogs

having soooo many unecissary litters in north america is a direct cause of stories like this to happen EVERY DAY.....

No No No! Warnings! I look absolutly aburd while at work crying at my desk. I am so mad at you right now! :P

[mauirobin]

Originally Posted by Lula-Mae Famous

No No No! Warnings! I look absolutly aburd while at work crying at my desk. I am so mad at you right now! :P

lol, thanks for the chuckle

[Loving Furgie]

Originally Posted by dexterandalana

i understand your point and some people can be harsh to newbies. but most are doing it out of love for the breed and animals. far too many people are ignorant of the facts of how unnecissary dog breedings are a direct cause of the over population of shelters and rescue groups.

i urge anyone who is thinking of breeding their dog just because they think their dog is cute, or just to make a couple bucks without being serious to read this article....

My Name is Sam | Life With Dogs

having soooo many unecissary litters in north america is a direct cause of stories like this to happen EVERY DAY.....

OMG! I was sobbing after reading this!!!!

[Lil Sis]

Originally Posted by chachi

Another thing that burns me is when someone has a cutesy approach to breeding. The one the other day where the person refered to their dog as preggo. Breeding is serious business they are putting a dogs life in danger and they are bringing more dogs in the world when the shelters are overflowing with dogs.

I think that is one of the things I have learned.. I used to think it was be "fun or interesting" to have a litter. But thankfully I am the type of person who researches before I do. You are so right... it is a dog's life we are talking about!!!

[sugarmamma]

Originally Posted by Lil Sis

I will admit a few times I would think geezzzee what bug is up that persons's b**. And there are a few times I did not post what I really thought because I did want to have the negative comments come down on me.
I think what bothers me the most is when an op ask a question and a part of the question become a major debate with a lot of negative coming down on the op.
Sometimes the original question is even totally lost - for example an op asked why her pup's hair was sparse and the post turned to the fact she got a pup from a byb .. I can think of many more.

I also am a bit tired of the "debate" over small (say the 3 pounders) vs the over standard size. Why is it ok to brag you have a big dog (happy for you.. love the dog) but you are attacked if you have a small dog.. heaven help you if you say you want a small dog...aren't both out of standard ? Of course I am not talking about the tiny ting unhealthy dogs.. just a normal small yorkie.
Oh... heaven can't help you if you want to breed...or if you want a parti.

I also think sometime a member is "ganged" upon.. but it seams to workout somehow. I have seen when someone post a comment on a thread and everyone "agrees" .... but I wonder if they really read the post. One time I had some one post something negative that was misquoted and taken out of content... and there were a bunch of I really don't think the following group really read the post.

Saying that, after being on for a year I realize seeing people make the same mistakes can drive you crazy!! I think some members come on a bit too strong because they have been there so many times.. and the sugar coating just doesn't work for them anymore. I think they don't mean to be rude or sound harsh. If you notice most of their post they are kind caring people.

I would rather have people who have passion and maybe step on a few toes than a bunch of sheep I have learned a lot about Yorkies and have changed my opinion about a lot (for example... I had thought of breeding my female... now I know I will not... maybe in the future when I know a lot and have a mentor I will breed.. but not now). And yes, I do get annoyed when someone ask me if Remy is a tcup.. (now she is a piggy -- 4.5 lbs-- so maybe they won't ask anymore lol)

All in all .... I love this site and I love the people

I agree with this. I cannot COUNT the number of times that I have heard or read" I would NEVER want a dog THAT small" (said looking down nose)! What if I were to say to a teapot owner " oh I HATE big Yorkies No way would I ever want to own one of THOSE ~ they are WAAAAYYY to BIG"

People just have double standards. I understand why the stand is made in certain situations but ALL of us with tinys don't deserve to be be told that our dogs are less than because they are small IMHO

[Rhetts_mama]

Actually, we (teapot/the whole dang bakery owners) hear that quite a bit. Most often accompanied by a sneer and the statement that we must not own PURE BRED yorkies because of their size.

[Charlies Mamma]

While I can see where the OP is coming from, I too am a "newbie" and I have seen some posts here that have been pretty harsh HOWEVER I have also seen some posts here that scare me to death and I sit most of my nights reading through the threads and my Charlie lays next to me and sometimes I grab on to him and hold him so tight because I cant imagine him being in the situations I am reading about.

So I think that the members that post so verbally may be reacting because it can feel so close to home, when you hear these things you immediately think of your own baby and yes its true sometimes the things being said are things that the poster needs to hear. I also have to believe that those with the strong advise have more experience in recognising a situation that warrants it.

We are all here to help and be helped our babies are the most important thing its important that we look out for them and others.

[LuvTaycieGirl]

Originally Posted by Loving Furgie

OMG! I was sobbing after reading this!!!!

Me Too... That story really makes you think.

[sugarmamma]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Actually, we (teapot/the whole dang bakery owners) hear that quite a bit. Most often accompanied by a sneer and the statement that we must not own PURE BRED yorkies because of their size.

You are right. I have heard that too, I'm sorry. I guess it just gets to me when people CARE what size shape color or sex my Sugar Baby is. I'm her Mamma Bear and I'm protective

[Britster]

Originally Posted by sugarmamma

I agree with this. I cannot COUNT the number of times that I have heard or read" I would NEVER want a dog THAT small" (said looking down nose)! What if I were to say to a teapot owner " oh I HATE big Yorkies No way would I ever want to own one of THOSE ~ they are WAAAAYYY to BIG"

People just have double standards. I understand why the stand is made in certain situations but ALL of us with tinys don't deserve to be be told that our dogs are less than because they are small IMHO

I've made comments before, in a nice way, that I wouldn't personally have a dog that small. I wouldn't actively seek out a dog under 8-10lbs probably. That's just because of my lifestyle. A dog any smaller than that would not suit me... *shrugs* I would never ever think a smaller dog was worth "less". I realize sometimes people aren't seeking a 3lb dog but may end up with one due to genetics or whatever. If I got a puppy thinking it was going to be 10lbs and it only turned out to 5lbs, I would never be like "oh return it!! Too small!!" or anything absurd like that. My issue with "teacups" is when people purposely are breeding for TINIER and TINIER dogs. And then you get people who see these adorable little things and want to carry them in their purse all day long... and never let them walk, or play like a regular dog, or go outside, or do natural dog things! THAT is what I find sad. I understand that just like I have a preference, some have a preference to have a smaller dog and that is totally fine. I have no issue with a smaller dog... Jackson's best friends are 4lb and 6lb yorkies and they are treated just as Jackson is and get to do all sorts of dog things. I just think the general public think that just because a dog is tiny they require no amount of exercise or are allowed to be a dog and I think that tiny dogs can be dangerous in the hands of people who don't know what they are doing -that's what scares ME about the tinies! Not everyone who gets them are as good Yorkie parents as us here on YT!

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Actually, we (teapot/the whole dang bakery owners) hear that quite a bit. Most often accompanied by a sneer and the statement that we must not own PURE BRED yorkies because of their size.

^ This. Everywhere I go, I encounter the 'THAT'S a Yorkie?!" type comments. I don't care, it doesn't bother me. I just say 'Oh, I prefer his size and wouldn't want a tiny one". That usually shuts the haters up but no honestly, most people that meet Jackson say they actually prefer his size too so luckily we don't run into alot of 'haters'. And honestly 16lbs is still a SMALL dog.