Parti and Beiwer

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Lets look at it this way. if you were showing a Biewer, would it be shown against other yorkies, or only against Biewers?

The parti have not been able to show as no one would push for them to get shown, for 10 years they have sat on the back burner and just bred and bred. The PYTC has made a difference just in the last year getting them accepted into NAKC to be shown, it is my understanding in iabca the parti can show with the biewer.

It is your understanding??? Lets have the facts. Biewers have been shown for a long time, Are they being shown and judged against traditional yorkies?? Or are they only judged against other Biewers?

[Dixies Mom]

My "Biewer" has spotting on her skin like a Chinese Crested. I have never seen this spotting in my Yorkshire Terriers. I want to know what's in the wood pile!!!

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

What if the same dogs were tested in another independant lab?

I highly doubt the BTCA can find 100 biewers to test from their club.

[Dixies Mom]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

I highly doubt the BTCA can find 100 biewers to test from their club.

If I tested my "Biewer Terrier" with an independant lab, would it show it to be a Yorkshire Terrier?

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

It is your understanding??? Lets have the facts. Biewers have been shown for a long time, Are they being shown and judged against traditional yorkies?? Or are they only judged against other Biewers?

Biewers are shown against each other, they would go into "group" with the yorkis (if there were any at the show) and then show against them ... the same would go for Parti's ... the Parti' would show against (with) the Parti first, then go into group to show against the Biewer and the Yorkie.. the NAKC (the only venue at the present that allows Parti's to show) keeps the Parti as a "seperate breed" from the Yorki, just like the Biewer... This is how the Biewer was designated a seperate breed.. so they could be shown..

To become "thought of" as it's own breed in one part of the world maybe be far easier than in the states, and have a different set of criteria.. The Germans don't feel that just because the Biewers have their own name and identity, that when breeding back to the traditionally colored yorkie, they are mixing breeds, any more than you feel mixing Parti's to traditionals are mixing breeds.. They feel the Biewer is a Yorkshire Terrier.. it came from Yorkies, it is a yorkie.

The "Biewer" name depicts the COLOR in a Yorki.. just as here.. we use PARTI... there, they used BIEWER because that's the man's name who championed these dogs and brought them into the light. Did you know that it is comman practice to register a litter that has both traditionally colored pups in it and Biewer (Parti) colored pups in it as Biewer's for the colored ones and Yorki's for the traditionally colored ones!! Same litter.. now, if they were seperate BREEDS, that would not happen would it???.. they are registering COLORS.. not breeds. Color alone can not make a seperate breed... nor does docking the tail or having the "spots" in a specific pattern.

You say Biewers have developed into their own breed.. how does that happen.. do they just one day MORPH into a breed of their own?? You say they have their own standard and Club.. well, so do Parti's ... does that make them THEIR own Breed???

You can't have it both ways on this issue.. these are the same dogs.. they come from the same kennel initially, YES, they have differnet names, YES they have taken differnet paths to get where they are today, but you can't say that breeding one back to the traditionally colored yorkie is breeding within breed and breeding the other is "mixing" breeds..

Diana

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

My "Biewer" has spotting on her skin like a Chinese Crested. I have never seen this spotting in my Yorkshire Terriers. I want to know what's in the wood pile!!!

Do you mean "ticking".. small spots of color? Some Biewers have that, as do some Parti's...

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

If I tested my "Biewer Terrier" with an independant lab, would it show it to be a Yorkshire Terrier?

I believe it would.. but can't say for certain.. depends on who your breeder was and who they got their dogs from..

Diana

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

If I tested my "Biewer Terrier" with an independant lab, would it show it to be a Yorkshire Terrier?

I do not know this answer, Some Biewers have been compromised and do show up as a mix., I guess it depends on who you purchased it from and what you know about the bloodlines.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

My "Biewer" has spotting on her skin like a Chinese Crested. I have never seen this spotting in my Yorkshire Terriers. I want to know what's in the wood pile!!!

My partis also have spotting on the skin, that is the gene that gives them the parti coloring.

I find it odd that the dark skin does not have black hair.

[Dixies Mom]

This is the spotting. It is every place the is white.

[Dixies Mom]

Here are some photos. Some spots are producing brown color

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

AKC will not register the Biewer as a separate Breed because they have the history and they believe them to be Yorkshire Terriers so therefore they do not believe them a separate breed

But they won't register them as yorkshire terriers either. Why is that, if they consider them to be yhorkshire terriers, why aren't they treated the same as the parti colored yorkies.?

Why are you just giving half of the facts?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

Biewers are shown against each other, they would go into "group" with the yorkis (if there were any at the show) and then show against them ... the same would go for Parti's ... the Parti' would show against (with) the Parti first, then go into group to show against the Biewer and the Yorkie.. the NAKC (the only venue at the present that allows Parti's to show) keeps the Parti as a "seperate breed" from the Yorki, just like the Biewer... This is how the Biewer was designated a seperate breed.. so they could be shown..

To become "thought of" as it's own breed in one part of the world maybe be far easier than in the states, and have a different set of criteria.. The Germans don't feel that just because the Biewers have their own name and identity, that when breeding back to the traditionally colored yorkie, they are mixing breeds, any more than you feel mixing Parti's to traditionals are mixing breeds.. They feel the Biewer is a Yorkshire Terrier.. it came from Yorkies, it is a yorkie.

The "Biewer" name depicts the COLOR in a Yorki.. just as here.. we use PARTI... there, they used BIEWER because that's the man's name who championed these dogs and brought them into the light. Did you know that it is comman practice to register a litter that has both traditionally colored pups in it and Biewer (Parti) colored pups in it as Biewer's for the colored ones and Yorki's for the traditionally colored ones!! Same litter.. now, if they were seperate BREEDS, that would not happen would it???.. they are registering COLORS.. not breeds. Color alone can not make a seperate breed... nor does docking the tail or having the "spots" in a specific pattern.

You say Biewers have developed into their own breed.. how does that happen.. do they just one day MORPH into a breed of their own?? You say they have their own standard and Club.. well, so do Parti's ... does that make them THEIR own Breed???

You can't have it both ways on this issue.. these are the same dogs.. they come from the same kennel initially, YES, they have differnet names, YES they have taken differnet paths to get where they are today, but you can't say that breeding one back to the traditionally colored yorkie is breeding within breed and breeding the other is "mixing" breeds..

Diana

They are listesd as Biewer Yorkshire Terrier ala Pom Pom. That is not a color.

The word parti is used to describe a dog with random spotting, of any breed of dog, You do not hear a spotted cocker spaniel called a biewer colored, it is parti colored.

YES they are the same dog, I have said this from the beginnming. BUT they are not treated the same, here in the US. The AKC will not register them as yorkshire terriers.

That is what I have said from my very first post.

I am not arguing that point. you are giving half of the facts, leading people to believe that they are recognized as the same dog, and they are NOT.

Genetically the are the same. But they are not recognized by the AKC as yorkshire terriers. if they were they would be allowed to be registered the same as the parti color is.

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

But they won't register them as yorkshire terriers either. Why is that, if they consider them to be yhorkshire terriers, why aren't they treated the same as the parti colored yorkies.?

Why are you just giving half of the facts?

They cannot register them as Yorkshire terriers because they dont have the correct papers from VDH when they so called split and tried to make them a separate breed. If you had researched as you have said to have done you would know why.

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

Here are some photos. Some spots are producing brown color

I would be worried about the brown ticking, the ticking comes from a different gene. Ticking is not normal when the hair is a different color. In the partis and the biewers they will have black spots on the skin but hair is always white.