Parti and Beiwer

[Raymond's Mom]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Basically they are the same thing. They both came from two traditional colored yorkies who both carried the parti gene.

bchgirl explained the differences in registration.

The parti is considered a yorkie by the AKC and can be bred to other yorkies and the offspring can be registered AKC.

The Biewer was allowed to become a breed of it's own so if a Biewer is bred to a yorkie, the offspring are considered to be a mixed breed and cannot be registered AKC.

The Biewers are not claiming to come from only yorkies and not many really believe that the parti colors come from only purebred yorkies either. The yorkie does not carry the gene for the spotted yorkie color pattern. It's not a naturally occuring color diviation such as born blue, born brown, etc. But now that the spotted yorkies have been bred back into the yorkie gene pool for so many generations I would guess that they will test pure using the Mars test. Of course with the popularity of the spotted yorkie there are those who are first generation crosses that are being sold as parti color yorkies. It's always buyer beware.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by evab

I believe that's your opinion Jeaniek? Non of this is relevant to my first post here is it? Yes there are many tri coloured dogs in the UK, and yes a 1,000 words tells the story of a picture. I am not at all defensive , I have nothing to be defensive about, I hope your little dogs enjoy living in the UK, we have many many dogs of many differing colours here, some are pure bred and some are classed as mutts (I don't like that term myself much though), I adore all dogs no matter what breed they are.

How did this get to be about you? Non of this is relevent to the OP's question.

I'm sure you do have dogs of many differet colors breeds, sizes, pures an mixed, etc.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

Jeanie you may be aware there are very strict rules in place for transporting dogs to the UK. One in particular requires a six month waiting period after the dog has been given a rabies vaccination and then given a blood test to insure it's effectiveness. Another is the requirement of an international microchip. If the dog is chipped with one that their scanners can not read, you must either supply a scanner...or the animal goes in quarantine.
Here's a link if you haven't already researched it.

Defra, UK - Animal health and welfare - Pet Travel Scheme - What you need to do to bring your pet into or back into the UK under the Pet Travel Scheme

hth.

Thank You,

We have been looking into all of the rules and requirements. We will have everything ready when the time comes.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Raymond's Mom

The Biewers are not claiming to come from only yorkies and not many really believe that the parti colors come from only purebred yorkies either. The yorkie does not carry the gene for the spotted yorkie color pattern. It's not a naturally occuring color diviation such as born blue, born brown, etc. But now that the spotted yorkies have been bred back into the yorkie gene pool for so many generations I would guess that they will test pure using the Mars test. Of course with the popularity of the spotted yorkie there are those who are first generation crosses that are being sold as parti color yorkies. It's always buyer beware.

That depends on which group pf Biewer owners that you talk to. At this piont it is really a moot point. the AKC believes that it IS a naturally occuring color and for my puropses that is all that matters.

This point can be argued unitl the cows come home, since there is no proof to support either side of the argument, it is like arguing which came first the chicken or the egg.

We have picture proof and documentation in old show records that there have been white yorkies as far back as the records go. No one knows when or how the white got into the mix, and it really doesn't matter, it is there now.

Yes there are a lot of fakes out there and it is buyer beware, just as it is with buying traditional colored yorkies. One needs to research the breeder

[Breezeaway]

I have a spoken with Joan Gordon, Yes she is still alive and well but Had a fall in March and was in critical care for awhile but is home now. I also ask her to send it to me in handwriting which she has done. Her and Janet had a Tri color male puppy(Trippy) born Dec 10, 1976 from their Wildweir lines. They did register the puppy but he had to be registered as Black and tan. He lived to the age of 12 years old. She says the tricolors were imported to Germany from England. She does go into detail about the tri's but I wont go into it here. She has indeed filled me in on quite few things concerning colors. She did know other breeders that had them. But basically Yes there were tricolors being born from yorkies and mostly they were in England.

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

I have a spoken with Joan Gordon, Yes she is still alive and well but Had a fall in March and was in critical care for awhile but is home now. I also ask her to send it to me in handwriting which she has done. Her and Janet had a Tri color male puppy(Trippy) born Dec 10, 1976 from their Wildweir lines. They did register the puppy but he had to be registered as Black and tan. He lived to the age of 12 years old. She says the tricolors were imported to Germany from England. She does go into detail about the tri's but I wont go into it here. She has indeed filled me in on quite few things concerning colors. She did know other breeders that had them. But basically Yes there were tricolors being born from yorkies and mostly they were in England.

Glad to hear Mrs Gordon is back home after her fall and hope she continue on the road to recovery.
Deb I bet you had an interesting chat with her and I'll have to give you a call sometime to hear more about it.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

I have a spoken with Joan Gordon, Yes she is still alive and well but Had a fall in March and was in critical care for awhile but is home now. I also ask her to send it to me in handwriting which she has done. Her and Janet had a Tri color male puppy(Trippy) born Dec 10, 1976 from their Wildweir lines. They did register the puppy but he had to be registered as Black and tan. He lived to the age of 12 years old. She says the tricolors were imported to Germany from England. She does go into detail about the tri's but I wont go into it here. She has indeed filled me in on quite few things concerning colors. She did know other breeders that had them. But basically Yes there were tricolors being born from yorkies and mostly they were in England.

Good work Deb!!
Will you be posting this on your website? I would love to read her info on the tri's.

[Breezeaway]

Well it defiantly puts to bed the saying the parti is a spinoff of the Biewer since they had a parti yorkie born in 1976 and the first tri Biewer was born in 1984.
The parti puppy they had born was of Wildweir lines several generations back and they know nothing was ever bred into their lines. She also told me of someone breeding Goldens and AKC put a cease and desist on them.

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Wow Deb.. good work AGAIN! You never cease to amaze me.

To me this just gives more credence to the belief that the Biewer and the Yorkie (and the Parti Yorkie too) are all one in the same dog.. neither country knew what was being produced in the other country (or in England either for that matter) because there just wasn't the access to the communication we have today (internet), there were no "chat rooms or forums" for people to go discuss these issues on and also, I'm sure, because of the need some felt to maintain secrecy when a "spotted or non standard" color was produced.

I'm so glad you have this documentation in writing and from a very well respected source. These "findings" need to be included in the history of these "spotted/colored" varieties now, before all of the people with first hand knowledge are no longer with us.. (as in Mr. Biewers case) to help answer our questions. Without this documentaion.. people just tend to make up anything they want to be the truth, say it loudly and often enough and it BECOMES the truth. New people come along and just believe what they hear, such a sorry state of affairs.

These Little pieces to the puzzle.. help to put the entire picture into prospective.

Thanks again for your dedication..

Diana

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

Wow Deb.. good work AGAIN! You never cease to amaze me.

To me this just gives more credence to the belief that the Biewer and the Yorkie (and the Parti Yorkie too) are all one in the same dog.. neither country knew what was being produced in the other country (or in England either for that matter) because there just wasn't the access to the communication we have today (internet), there were no "chat rooms or forums" for people to go discuss these issues on and also, I'm sure, because of the need some felt to maintain secrecy when a "spotted or non standard" color was produced.

I'm so glad you have this documentation in writing and from a very well respected source. These "findings" need to be included in the history of these "spotted/colored" varieties now, before all of the people with first hand knowledge are no longer with us.. (as in Mr. Biewers case) to help answer our questions. Without this documentaion.. people just tend to make up anything they want to be the truth, say it loudly and often enough and it BECOMES the truth. New people come along and just believe what they hear, such a sorry state of affairs.

These Little pieces to the puzzle.. help to put the entire picture into prospective.

Thanks again for your dedication..

Diana

One thing I feel of great importance she conveyed to me was that "the tri-color yorkie was developed in Germany from English Imported Stock."

[Breezeaway]

Let me clarify the last statement as some have taken it wrong. Let me rephrase, She knew of a tri-colored line of Yorkies in Germany that were imported from England. That is what thought to be how Mr. Biewer came up with a tri-color in 1984 from his regular colored yorkies.