Parti and Beiwer

[Breezeaway]

Talk about confusing people.....

[Breezeaway]

The biewer is only a separate breed if that is how you believe. Alot a biewer owners consider them Yorkies, Biewer is not really a breed it is a line of yorkshire terriers.
It is really confusing when it comes to the Biewer Yorkie.
By breeding a parti to a Biewer yorkie is not cross breeding nor does it make them mixed. they are not separate breeds in everyones eyes. It is like breeding a akc registered yorkie to a yorkie that is not AKC registered , you cant register the pups because only one parent was registered but they are still yorkies non the less and not mixed breeds.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Talk about confusing people.....

Well it is confusing. Genetically they are the same, but for registering and showing they are different dogs.

The OP wanted to know the difference. There is no easy answer.

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

The biewer is only a separate breed if that is how you believe. Alot a biewer owners consider them Yorkies, Biewer is not really a breed it is a line of yorkshire terriers.
It is really confusing when it comes to the Biewer Yorkie.
By breeding a parti to a Biewer yorkie is not cross breeding nor does it make them mixed. they are not separate breeds in everyones eyes. It is like breeding a akc registered yorkie to a yorkie that is not AKC registered , you cant register the pups because only one parent was registered but they are still yorkies non the less and not mixed breeds.

Thank YOU!

[miljoy]

If you were an expert and your saw a mixed color dog would you know it was a Parti or a Biewer or would you have to ask the owner ?

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by miljoy

If you were an expert and your saw a mixed color dog would you know it was a Parti or a Biewer or would you have to ask the owner ?

You'd have to ask the owner, as many of them look identical.. then I'd ask to see the pedigree too.. that way you know for sure. (not that I'm an untrusting soul.. teehee)

The Biewers do not dock the tails, so in many cases that helps.. although many Yorkie people are starting to see this as mutilation also, so they maybe keeping the tails long.. (my AKC Parti has a long tail as do all of my carriers)

Diana

[Dixies Mom]

I have a Biewer and alot of these same questions. Where can I send her DNA to get a genetic make up,and her parentage verified?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I did not say that they were any less of a yorke genetically, just that the offspring would be considered to be mixed because the Biewer is consiered a separate breed. Hence the Biewer Yorkshire name. The parti, is a parti colored yorkshire terrier. There is no other name. Parti is a color, Biewer is a breed. All Biewers are parti colored yorkshire terriers, but not all partis are Biewers. Sort of like all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are not squares

There is an additional set of criteria to be a Biewer.

Lets look at it this way. if you were showing a Biewer, would it be shown against other yorkies, or only against Biewers?

I'd like an answer to this question.

There is way more to it than whether or not you BELIEVE that the biewers are a separate breed. And it is not the same as breeding a registered to a non registered. An unregistered yorkie, has registered ancestors somewere down the line.

The Biewer was developed into a separatre breed and have their own clubs and their own standards. They are not recognized by the AKC as yorkies.
Although genetically they are the same.

To the OP. As you can see this is a very complicated subject. The Biewer people do not even all agree on what they are so it is difficult to explain.

I suggest that you do your own research and draw your own conclusions.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

I have a Biewer and alot of these same questions. Where can I send her DNA to get a genetic make up,and her parentage verified?

Do you have her pedigree? Before they could verify her parentage, they would need DNA of her and her parents.

Some Biewer owners claim that there is another breed mixed in and claim that MARS testing has shown that to be true, but it seems it is a big secret as to exactly which other breed is supposedly mixed in.

So that theory has not been proven.

[Breezeaway]

Jeannie i do beg your pardon but the Biewer does have Registered yorkies in its ancestors, the first tri color yorkies MR. Biewer had were registered with the VDH which is the German AKC. The biewers came from VDH registered normal colored yorkshire terriers. How much research have you done on the biewers?

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Do you have her pedigree? Before they could verify her parentage, they would need DNA of her and her parents.

Some Biewer owners claim that there is another breed mixed in and claim that MARS testing has shown that to be true, but it seems it is a big secret as to exactly which other breed is supposedly mixed in.

So that theory has not been proven.

Only the Biewer terriers tested from the BTCA were tested as mixed other Biewers that have been tested have tested PURE Yorkshire Terrier.

[Breezeaway]

Lets look at it this way. if you were showing a Biewer, would it be shown against other yorkies, or only against Biewers?

The parti have not been able to show as no one would push for them to get shown, for 10 years they have sat on the back burner and just bred and bred. The PYTC has made a difference just in the last year getting them accepted into NAKC to be shown, it is my understanding in iabca the parti can show with the biewer.

[Dixies Mom]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Only the Biewer terriers tested from the BTCA were tested as mixed other Biewers that have been tested have tested PURE Yorkshire Terrier.

What if the same dogs were tested in another independant lab?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Jeannie i do beg your pardon but the Biewer does have Registered yorkies in its ancestors, the first tri color yorkies MR. Biewer had were registered with the VDH which is the German AKC. The biewers came from VDH registered normal colored yorkshire terriers. How much research have you done on the biewers?

I beg your pardon!!! but where did I say that they did not have registered yorkies in their pedigree. I said all along they were genetically the same and had the same beginning.

I've done as much research on them as you have. However, unlike you, I am giving the OP all of the facts and not just ignoring half of them.

You said, they are what you believe they are. Well I can believe that my yorkie is a pitt bull but it doesn't mean he is one.

You can believe whatever you want, but The fact is they are not seen as the same dog when it comes to registering and showing. They were developed into a separate breed and therefore are not recognized as yorkies by the AKC.

[Breezeaway]

AKC will not register the Biewer as a separate Breed because they have the history and they believe them to be Yorkshire Terriers so therefore they do not believe them a separate breed