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08-22-2010, 01:09 AM | #1 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Johannesburg.South Africa
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| Parti and Beiwer Just out of interest. Can anybody tell me if a Parti and a Biewer is the same thing or is there a difference between the two ? Please excuse my ignorance
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08-22-2010, 02:08 AM | #2 | |
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didn't mean to but in on your question with another question. sorry | |
08-22-2010, 06:45 AM | #3 |
Donating YT 10K Club Member | Biewers originated in Germany. The foundation pair were Fru Fru and Darling Friedheck. All biewers' pedigrees should go back to this original pair. Biewers have a specific standard and are shown confirmation in rare breed show circuits. Biewers are recognized as a breed of it's own. Partis originated in the US and are AKC recognized. As tail docking was banned in Germany, biewers have tails. Parti yorkies tails are docked.
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08-22-2010, 06:56 AM | #4 |
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| Basically they are the same thing. They both came from two traditional colored yorkies who both carried the parti gene. bchgirl explained the differences in registration. The parti is considered a yorkie by the AKC and can be bred to other yorkies and the offspring can be registered AKC. The Biewer was allowed to become a breed of it's own so if a Biewer is bred to a yorkie, the offspring are considered to be a mixed breed and cannot be registered AKC. |
08-22-2010, 07:32 AM | #5 |
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| Can I ask how long ago was the Foundation pair started for the Biewers, are we talking recent or centuries ago ? Thank you for your answers.
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08-22-2010, 07:36 AM | #6 | |
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You can read more about the biewer history here. Breed club for biewer a la pom pon dogs
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08-22-2010, 07:39 AM | #7 |
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08-22-2010, 07:51 AM | #8 |
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| Wow thank you, I knew they were new in this country and very expensive, I wonder if this is the newest breed of dog. They sure are Stunning.
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08-24-2010, 05:05 AM | #9 | |
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It is true however.. they can not be registered AKC.. no Biewer at this point in time can whether you breed them to an AKC yorkie or not.. that does not matter. Breeding a Biewer to a traditionally colored yorkie does not make it any more of a mixed breed than breeding a Parti to a traditionally colored yorkie makes that a mixed breed... Diana
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08-24-2010, 05:34 AM | #10 | |
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08-24-2010, 06:40 AM | #11 |
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| I do believe you ARE mistaken. The parents of the offspring have to be AKC in order to be registered with the AKC. Since the Biewer is not registered with the AKC, the offspring would not be able to be registered with AKC. The genetics are the same. A registry does NOT make it a different breed. How about a traditional who is registered with APRI or ACA bred with a parti... their offspring CANNOT be registered with the AKC -- would it make them a crossbreed? NO. |
08-24-2010, 07:07 AM | #12 | |
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08-24-2010, 07:20 AM | #13 | |
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if you mix any dog that is NOT a yorkshire terrier, with a yorkshire terrier it is a mixed breed. it does not matter where they are registered, or if they are not registered at all. I was not mistaken in what I said. There are a lot of registries that allow you to register just about anything you want. That does not change the fact that they are a mixed breed. | |
08-24-2010, 07:37 AM | #14 |
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| Just because a specific registry allowed the Biewers to be registered as a breed of their own so they could be shown.. does not make them any further away from a Yorkshire Terrier than a Parti is from a Yorkshire terrier.. they are one in the same.. What was the criteria used to "make" the Biewer a seperate breed?? Was it purely and simply "EASIER" to make it it's own breed so it could be shown??? Is that all it takes to make a breed it's own breed??? If so, then the Partis' would also be considered their own breed.. they can not be shown as Yorkies in AKC, so, to be shown, they have to be shown in a their OWN breed "Parti" with NAKC.. they would be shown against Yorkies.. not AS a yorkie.. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED with the Biewers.. no different.. that does not make the Parti it's own breed any more than the Biewers.. (unless of course you believe the Parti is not a Yorkie) Toby's mom had it right.. the problem is that the Biewer is not registered with AKC, not the genetics behind them. Diana
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08-24-2010, 09:36 AM | #15 | |
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There is an additional set of criteria to be a Biewer. Lets look at it this way. if you were showing a Biewer, would it be shown against other yorkies, or only against Biewers? | |
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