Tail docking

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by friscomom

I dunno. I guess it's just so unusual to see one with a tail, it helps enlighten us dumber folks who didn't know, or don't think much.



That's as clear to me now as if God himself hath spoken it. Thanks for the guidance, have a great day with your yorkies!

LOL...well okay, as long as your clear on things now

[Britster]

Originally Posted by Cerise

Okay...



Oh... and I think he'd be even cuter without the tail.

I think that's maybe a bit rude... I know the owner of that dog isn't here on YT (I don't think?) But if someone told me Jackson would look cuter without his tail... I think I'd feel a little offended. Because I think yorkies with and without tails are equally cute.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by friscomom

Oh, and anyone who thinks Hitler did worse, didn't see the rest of that cow video. The psychology and character of people should be of grave concern, no matter how it manifests. This made the Gaston gas chamber look pleasant to me.
at youtube /watch?v=6RNFFRGz1Qs

A cow and a yorkie are different very different from one another. And hitler killed people not just cut tails off.

[QuickSilver]

There's a rule on the internet somewhere that when Nazis come up, the argument is over. Let's not go there. (so we can keep arguing!)

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Britster

I think that's maybe a bit rude... I know the owner of that dog isn't here on YT (I don't think?) But if someone told me Jackson would look cuter without his tail... I think I'd feel a little offended. Because I think yorkies with and without tails are equally cute.

It probably was a bit rude but really the op was really rude in there two posts that were closed even more rude then the person saying the yorkie would look cuter with a docked tail so really I think the op is just getting a taste of some of what there dishing out. Really annoyed by her two posts that were closed because they where so uncalled for just cant seem to get over it.

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Docking there tails doesn't take away there ability to communicate they have a stub that wags and stuff. Have you ever thought of working for PETA because your acting so extreme like they do. Sorry if that offends anyone but I'm really getting annoyed at this person and the two posts that where closed that they had were so extreme and very uncalled.

I have to disagree.. I see so many tails docked so close you cannot tell if they even have one let alone see it move. Kizzie has about a 1 inch nub and I never see it moving it doesn't stick up or out at all! We can tell what she is feeling only by her facial or body reactions.

I have never seen a tail cut the same length in yorkies, cockers, cockapoos, poodles, english springer spaniel etc.. (these are the docked breeds I have owned).

Why can't the tails be done properly? Vets do NOT know the standard of every dog so they have to go by what the breeder tells them. So you cannot depend on the vets to do it right and so many breeders doing it don't know the correct length either. All 4 of my yorkies have different tail lengths. Only 1 of them is in the correct spot and one of them has a full tail and dew claws.

I think that if the topic is upsetting someone then maybe it's time to take a break from the topic.

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Is this a dumb question...even if it causes mild pain...why not just inject local lidocaine? I don't understand (esp. as a nurse)...I'm kind of confused there...

It's a very good question actually, and one I have always asked as well. My vet will do it but I have to ASK! And then they charge an arm and a leg. I think that is why most people don't do it, at least that is my guess anyhow.

Topical does NOT work because it only numbs the skin, IF you can get it through the fur. You know it's like when you go to the dentist and the numb your gums so you wont feel the shot as much. They surely wouldn't work on the tooth with just that topical Novocain. Anyhow, that's what it reminds of anyhow.

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I understand your concern. Also, being an x-nurse.

I'm not a canine, but, I can only answer based on my experience. Do they whimper, yes, for a matter of seconds, not even a minute. So, in my opinion the discomfort I would liken to that of giving an injection. And I say this because mine scream louder when I give them their vaccinations.

On the lidocaine, vets do not recommend anything at this young age as it can cause more harm than good.

Now I've had to Sub-Q a 24 hour old pup. And the screaming was more heart wrenching then.....and I know this is no comparison, because it was a matter of attempting to save a pups life.

Oh! on the dew claws....I get no crying or whimpering. When I begin clipping nails....now that's another story.....mine scream before I even approach their feet.

This debate has been around forever, and there are pros and cons on each side. We just need to agree to disagree. Like Donna says, there are more important issues facing our breed than the tail docking debate. I for one wish to put my efforts on Shunt (as that is still very up in the air and until a DNA Marker is found, breeders are breeding blindly), PLE, LP, PRA......

Mary

If your puppies are screaming during a vaccination or doing sub-Q then your not doing it right. In 35 years I have been giving my dogs and puppies vaccinations I have NEVER had one even flinch let alone scream. But I can promise you I have heard many puppies scream while getting tails and dews done.

[QuickSilver]

I have to say, I'm very confused by these wildly conflicting descriptions of the pups' reactions....

[capt_noonie]

Uni has a nice 3" docked tail that shows her every emotion.

And I think Oreos of all kinds are nasty.

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by Britster

I 100% agree with Quicksilver

Since Jackson has his tail, I honestly cannot imagine him without it. I tried looking at the photo below and imaging just the nub... I just can't picture it.

The end:

He is adorable!!

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Here are a number of articles for people to read. The first thread does show a puppy being cropped:

Should You Crop and/or Dock Your Dog?

BBC - Scotland Outdoors Articles - Views on tail docking

Dr. Walt's happy tails: Should you dock your dog's tail? - Pets - Life - Canadian Living

Docking a dog's tail

Docking & Cropping In Dogs

A history of dog tail docking - by Janet Farricelli - Helium

Dogs with docked tails can grow up mean: study

I have not been able to find much documentation on dogs with broken tails (statistic's) but will continue to look..

Great list of links, thank you for sharing them. I had several saved as well but lost them when my computer crashed..

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by Cerise

Okay...

He is cute and is full of personality ...

But what exactly was that video suppose to do for us? Seriously... what? Yorkies look BEAUTIFUL with docked tails and that is the YTCA standard, period. If you want an undocked Yorkie ask someone who does NOT care about the YTCA standards for one, and then be happy with your decision. But to come on here trying to prove to people who love the Yorkshire Terrier standard, of the Yorkshire Terrier Club of AMERICA,that docking tails is a bad and unnecessary thing, is unnecessary!

Oh... and I think he'd be even cuter without the tail.

Uggh... I don't understand the "tone" here... To say that people who don't dock don't care about the YTCA is just unfair, seriously there is no need to attack.

They look beautiful with their tails intact as well..at least to most. I like them either way as long as it's not a tiny nub.

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

There's a rule on the internet somewhere that when Nazis come up, the argument is over. Let's not go there. (so we can keep arguing!)

AMEN!!! I was just going to ask the Hitler comparison to dogs period, be dropped..

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

I have to say, I'm very confused by these wildly conflicting descriptions of the pups' reactions....

Actually, I am as well...