Is my guy too big?

[BamaFan121s]

I think that all that was intended was for a mistatement, or possibly an assumption, that was made to be corrected by people actually invovled in rescue. (Which it should have been.) So a mistruth was corrected, so what? I don't think that is something that is really all that big a deal and certainly does not seem like something that is a "personal issue" any member(s) have taken with another. (That's just a bit far fetched, if you ask me!)

One thing seems pretty obvious though...I think that everyone is in agreement that the male in question in the OP's post is not a good candidate to be used as a stud.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Lolapup

I couldn't agree more. Threads get off topic and the next thing you know there's an issue between just 2 or more members. If this happens perhaps those members should start their own thread. We're all passionate about our pup but you can be passionate and still be nice.

I agree....now go start a thread about how evil the rest of us are.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I think that all that was intended was for a mistatement, or possibly an assumption, that was made to be corrected by people actually invovled in rescue. (Which it should have been.) So a mistruth was corrected, so what? I don't think that is something that is really all that big a deal and certainly does not seem like something that is a "personal issue" any member(s) have taken with another. (That's just a bit far fetched, if you ask me!)

One thing seems pretty obvious though...I think that everyone is in agreement that the male in question in the OP's post is not a good candidate to be used as a stud.

Thanks Bam

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

All I was trying to do was point out that your information was incorrect............because in post #46 GAOMariposa quoted your post thanked you for your information. I felt that it needed to be addressed and corrected and when I did you still insisted that you were correct. It wasn't that I am part of a "you people" but part of rescue and have first hand knowledge of rescue information, statistics and facts. I would defer to a breeder and respect their opinion and I would have thought it would be the same with me as someone in rescue. I showed you several different facts and now I am made to feel like I have caused some type of problem by addressing something that you stated as a fact about the yorkies in rescue. This is JMHO but I like to learn and grown with knowledge and try to make sure my information is correct prior to stating something as fact.

Where did I insist that I was correct. I said I was wrong, I stand corrected. You rescue people do a wonderful service, and I can see that you are psssionate about your woek, but thst does not give you the right to be rude to people coming on here and asking a question.

I gave her a reason why she should not breed a 12 pound dog. It may not have been correct "according to your statistics", but it gavepeople something to think about and I am sure there have been yorkie surrendered because they were too large.

When YTers get nasty with these new posters, they leave and do what they intended to do in the first plasce, and the only thing they learned was not to hang around YT,

So you are not educating you are running people off.

The statement I made about 12 pound dogs ending ujp in rescues may not have been 100% accurate but it was not 100% wrong either.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Where did I insist that I was correct. I said I was wrong, I stand corrected. You rescue people do a wonderful service, and I can see that you are psssionate about your woek, but thst does not give you the right to be rude to people coming on here and asking a question.

I gave her a reason why she should not breed a 12 pound dog. It may not have been correct "according to your statistics", but it gavepeople something to think about and I am sure there have been yorkie surrendered because they were too large.

When YTers get nasty with these new posters, they leave and do what they intended to do in the first plasce, and the only thing they learned was not to hang around YT,

So you are not educating you are running people off.

The statement I made about 12 pound dogs ending ujp in rescues may not have been 100% accurate but it was not 100% wrong either.

It all depends on what you call nasty. I don't really think some of your comments are all sweetie sweetie, but it sure as heck will not make me leave YT. Anyone who leaves, does so for their own reasons. Has nothing to do with a thread here or there....just my opinion of course.

And, I have to say that anyone who runs off and does what they intended to in the first place was not going to be convinced otherwise. No one was rude to a new poster.

Now...as to your remark about not being 100% wrong, actually I believe that you are indeed 100% wrong. I have been involved in rescue for 5 years and I have yet to have a yorkie surrendered due to size. Now, you said it is because people do not tell us the real reason for the surrender. The shape I see many of these pups in tells me that it had absolutely nothing to do with anything but the fact that people are irresponsible and do not take pet ownership seriously.

The main reason (your word was biggest) for surrender is not size. It is not even one of the main reasons!

Sadly, there are many people who believe what you said about rescue pups and our job is to inform people that it is not true. They are not all large yorkies and not all sick or with other issues! But, in saying that, let me tell you that there are many people with large hearts who will take the sick ones and/or badly bred yorkies and love them. There are some absolutely beautiful pups to be found in shelters. I have posted pics of my personal pups in the past .. some prettier than others, but all beautiful. All different sizes as well. Wonderful pets! I am not going to sit here and watch someone insinuate that rescue yorkies are rejects.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

In post #10 you say it for the first time.........then you repeated it 3 more times It needed to be corrected.

After I Read your correction, I no longer said it,. But seriously is it such a huge error. If they breed the dog and can't sell the pups they could end up in a shelter also.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

After I Read your correction, I no longer said it,.

Oh, but you did. Read your last line in post #94

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

When YTers get nasty with these new posters, they leave and do what they intended to do in the first plasce, and the only thing they learned was not to hang around YT,

So you are not educating you are running people off.

Ooooh, now that's not always true! If I recall correctly, you got some rather harsh comments as a newer member/breeder after bringing up some unpopular breeding practices way back when. Luckily, you managed to tough it out stick around and learn from it. Just like lots of others have done. I think that sometimes people who are "chased off" because they didn't like what they heard more than likely never intended to stay around and learn anything to begin with.

In any event, the OP asked questions and got some very informative, respectful replies...then a few posts later responded upset because people 'jumped on her without knowing all the facts.' No one had been "nasty" at that point, but when people are posting up, trying to offer honest advice and help someone and then get that kind of attitude thrown back at them, you can be that the "tone" of the conversation is likely to change.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

All I tried to do is address something being incorrectly stated as a fact and not cause any argument. It bothers me how I always get jumped on when I stand up for what I know and believe. That's not going to make me change my stance but it does get old

It's not what you said, it's how you said it and how you would not let it drop after I admitted to having made a misstatement, and that I stood corrected.

I still believe that over size is one of the reasons that some yorkies end up in shelters. It is just not a reason that people are willing to admit. The fact that you currently do not have an oversized dogs in your rescue does not mean that it doesn't happen.

Are you also going to correct all the people who said that the male must always be smaller, because that is a misstatement also. Or the person that said they cannot be registered if they are over 7 pounds, another misstatement.

I corrected those people and did it nicely.

You have yet to even acknowlwedge that I agreed that I made a mistake.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

It's not what you said, it's how you said it and how you would not let it drop after I admitted to having made a misstatement, and that I stood corrected.

I still believe that over size is one of the reasons that some yorkies end up in shelters. It is just not a reason that people are willing to admit. The fact that you currently do not have an oversized dogs in your rescue does not mean that it doesn't happen.

Are you also going to correct all the people who said that the male must always be smaller, because that is a misstatement also. Or the person that said they cannot be registered if they are over 7 pounds, another misstatement.

I corrected those people and did it nicely.

You have yet to even acknowlwedge that I agreed that I made a mistake.

Every single time you say that you made a mistake, it is conditional. You STILL insist that you are right!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by chachi

Actually it was JeanneK that first brought up rescues. The members correcting her are people involved in rescue that are correcting her misstatement

and I agreed that I made a misstatement, after the pointed it out to me.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Thank you It is when members like yourself see that something that is being said is making a difference. I appreciate your kind words,



And the next thing *I* know other members come out of the woodwork to jump on the she's not nice bandwagon! I personally think that is what turns threads like this bad. Something was stated as fact and it was corrected~period end of story.


If it was said that some Yorkies are given up because they get too big~sure I could agree~~~but what was stated repeatedly was incorrect and I felt it needed to be corrected. When I did I was told to give factual evidence that my statement was correct but then told it did not apply to Yorkies . I'm sorry but I WAS being niceand asked where she got her information from.
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Now 15 posts later there are members coming out of the woodwork to say I wasn't nice Posting little faces in their posts and that they agree.

Seriously, if you are made the effort to even read this far into this now very off topic thread you ALL should be saddened by the stories of all of the little ones in the YHR's care and making a donations or better yet open your homes to a rescue and help the cause. Instead lets jump on the messenger and tell them they are mean and post

Now its my turn to get angry! WTH!

Now this is funny, shall we argue yet another topic.

when someone comes on that does not agree with your "way of correcting people,, they are coming out of the wood work. But when Bamafan and ladyjane come "out of the woodwork" to give you a pat on the back for correcting someone who made such a horrifc blunder as to assume that a yorkie might end up in a shelter because it was too large, then you fall all over yourself thanking them.

This is all too funny.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Now this is funny, shall we argue yet another topic.

when someone comes on that does not agree with your "way of correcting people,, they are coming out of the wood work. But when Bamafan and ladyjane come "out of the woodwork" to give you a pat on the back for correcting someone who made such a horrifc blunder as to assume that a yorkie might end up in a shelter because it was too large, then you fall all over yourself thanking them.

This is all too funny.

Excuse me but I am not a cockroach that came out of the woodwork. I WISH you had access to PMs so that you could see I have not spoken to Megansmomma at all about this subject. I have seen you say this before....just the other day you accused everyone of coming to the rescue of Nancy1999

You said you are getting paranoid in some post....I believe that may just be the case.

Is it so hard for you to comprehend that there are many people reading this forum and coming across such erroneous information that must be corrected?

And again.........your comment was a blunder indeed!!! You should, along with all of us, be trying to help these homeless yorkies find good homes. Telling people that many are large is just not good advertisement....it is said in a negative light and that is uncalled for!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Ooooh, now that's not always true! If I recall correctly, you got some rather harsh comments as a newer member/breeder after bringing up some unpopular breeding practices way back when. Luckily, you managed to tough it out stick around and learn from it. Just like lots of others have done. I think that sometimes people who are "chased off" because they didn't like what they heard more than likely never intended to stay around and learn anything to begin with.

In any event, the OP asked questions and got some very informative, respectful replies...then a few posts later responded upset because people 'jumped on her without knowing all the facts.' No one had been "nasty" at that point, but when people are posting up, trying to offer honest advice and help someone and then get that kind of attitude thrown back at them, you can be that the "tone" of the conversation is likely to change.

You are so correct. I stuck it out because I'm a little tougher than most. but also because I received many many PMs giving me the answers that I was looking for, by some long time members.

Yes the OP did get quite defensive and clearly she is not going to listen to anyone anyway.

But seriously, livingdustmop and megansmomma the information that I posted might not have fit into your profile of excuses that people give for surrendering dogs, but I am sure there are yorkies surrendered for just that reason, it is just not one of the popular "excuses" that people give.

Reasons and excuses are two different things.

I used to own rental property, and the "Excuses" that I was given for not having paid the rent, were not always the "resasons"

[RachelandSadie]

JeanieK, if i could please.

This is my honest and heartfelt advise to you. I mean no disrespect or rudeness towards you in saying this, but perhaps you should let this and other arguments go and simply stop responding when someone corrects your comments and opinions. It seems that on many instances you have been corrected (whether in a nice or not nice way that doesn't matter) and in those corrections i'm seeing a pattern of frustration, retaliation and arguing going on. It has become obvious to me and i'm sure others that you do not give up on battles with other members too easily and while you claim you admit you are wrong, I'm not seeing that you actually ever fully admit fault to anything and still repeat your opinions over and over without those posts moving the discussion forward or out of an argument. I personally feel that it might be in your best interest to stop the arguing before it gets started by not responding to another poster if they do try to correct you or tell you their opinions. You are perfectly entitled to say what you want. and they are all perfectly entitled to correct you or say that they do not agree with your opinions. Let's leave it at that and not combat every person who disagrees with you with a long repetitive argument. They understand what you meant and what your comments are the first time and don't need them repeated sevearl times if they choose to disagree with you.

I hope you can read this and take it for the kind, gentle advice that i mean for it to be given. It took TOY commenting much like this to me before i realized i was causing myself most of my own troubles. I hope this helps you to feel safe to post whatever you like here and understand that those same rules apply to all other members.