Is my guy too big?

[jacksonsmum]

I am not a breeder and dont intend to breed ever. Just thinking about it scares me to deathI have been reading this thread and it is fascinating about how and why and why not etc etc.

Just a question regarding the dog who is 12 pounds

Could it be that he is the right "frame" as far as physical size go's in regards to height and length etc but is over weight by six pounds.? Would that make a difference to how big the pups are? Would it mean that the pups would be bigger if he is maybe over weight ?

Just a question and was curious.

[sferrini]

Originally Posted by rachel717

I would like to stud my guy 1 time for pick of the litter. We have hosted a beautiful female for the past 3 days who is full into her cycle. They play well together, he is courting her properly and she is very receptive, until he moves into position. She is ready but as soon as he tries to get on she pulls out from under him. Her owner thinks it is because he is too big. They are the same physical size but she weighs 6 pounds and he weighs 12. He is not "fat" he is solid. If you looked at him you would never guess he is that heavy. Is he too big for her??

Everything I read said the male should be smaller than the female, if not the babies could be to large.

[ch774]

I learned a Long time ago don't say Breed...I have been told (not jumped on) all about what everyone has told you and I don't even bring up the subject anymore. Yes it does sound demanding but its best not to ask anything.



Been there done this before Not bringing it up again..

Cheryl

[megansmomma]

Here are your choices and I would suggest that you choose wisely

#1
Well, I say go right ahead and breed them! That's right...........take the 12 lb male and lock it in a room with that little 6 lb female~seen it plenty of time you will not take the advice given to you by REAL BREEDERS that show and know what they are doing. Come back in about 2 months and post in the Breeder Forum that the puppies are stuck in the birth canal and what do you need to do now! Then when the mom dies during the birth or her uterus exploded because the puppies are HUGE we can all console you in the RIP forum

Or

#2
You can take the advice that is being given to you out of concern and KNOWLEDGE of breeding and use that to not make a TERRIBLE mistake that could cost her life. Love him as a pet and have him neutered he is way too large to breed to a standard Yorkie~ever............ Run as fast as you can from whoever this person is that is trying to start a YORKIE KENNEL!


Personally, I would pick plan #2

[simbasmom]

I am rather new to Yorkie Talk and I can't even begin to tell you how much I have learned from these forums. However, as a newbie I would like to say that some of the responses on this thread are very harsh. I agree that the original poster does not sound very informed about breeding and probably needs to learn a lot more about it she if she decides to start breeding. However, I think most people would respond better to advice if it was given in a nicer way. I'm not trying to start an argument and I'm not saying that EVERYONE who posted was mean, rude, etc...There were several people who were very friendly. However I don't think posts calling someone "dumb" or telling them to go ahead and breed and let the dog die or necessary or even helpful.

I realize that most of the people on this board are very protective and there's nothing wrong with that. I promise you that I would cause serious injury to anyone who tried to harm my Yorkies. I just think that sometimes before we post it's better to take a minute and think out what we want to say.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by simbasmom

I am rather new to Yorkie Talk and I can't even begin to tell you how much I have learned from these forums. However, as a newbie I would like to say that some of the responses on this thread are very harsh. I agree that the original poster does not sound very informed about breeding and probably needs to learn a lot more about it she if she decides to start breeding. However, I think most people would respond better to advice if it was given in a nicer way. I'm not trying to start an argument and I'm not saying that EVERYONE who posted was mean, rude, etc...There were several people who were very friendly. However I don't think posts calling someone "dumb" or telling them to go ahead and breed and let the dog die or necessary or even helpful.

I realize that most of the people on this board are very protective and there's nothing wrong with that. I promise you that I would cause serious injury to anyone who tried to harm my Yorkies. I just think that sometimes before we post it's better to take a minute and think out what we want to say.

Well, I would not have even had that tone with her but it is OBVIOUS that she is unwilling to take all of the great advice she was given. It get pretty disturbing when every day there is at least one post like the OPer's and when good solid advice it given they get mad. There are several reputable Yorkie breeders that came and adviced to not breed and she was unwilling to listen. It is obvious that there was no thought going into breeding a 12 lb male to a 6 lb female. That is just so out of line with any type of breeding practices! I am sorry that you feel that there were people who posted that were "nice" but IMO this thread started out just fine with members offering good sound advice and the OPer became defensive and acted as thought she was being attacked because of her breeding plans.

But of course this is JMHO

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by rachel717

WOW! you guys really jump on someone when you do not know all the facts. 1- yes we had both dogs checked, both are dual registered and mine has a 4 generation pedigree including 3 AKC members in his line. 2- the area we live in does not have any good breeders, I traveled 6 hours to a registered breeder for my dog and the female is from a breeder in Germany 3- we are not breeding just to breed she runs a kennel and is trying to start a yorkie line in this area since there are none 4- I posted my question out of concern for both animals, if I wasn't concerned I would have held the female down and forced the breeding 5- I know that he is larger than the standard but he is exceptionally healthy other than his weight he meets every standard for AKC and he has a wonderful personality especially with kids. I would rather have a healthy happy dog who is part of a family than a "perfect" dogs who is unhealthy, unhappy and lives in a kennel because it doesn't respond well to people. I expected responses like yes he is probably too big or something similar- I was not prepared to be chastized and lectured for trying to do the right thing.

oh how wrong you are. i lived in St. Joseph, MO for three years and now live in Liberty, MO

Deb Sillars is an excellent breeder who lives in Fairfax, MO, there are many many more excellent reputable breeders out there who have researched and put years and years of learning about the breed standards and improving the breed. I'm not trying to jump on you, but I would highly advise you to do a lot more research about the yorkie breed and not just start breeding dogs for a person who already has a kennel. if she's got other dog breeds, she needs to focus on those. a reputable breeder doesn't have more than one breed and they don't start a line of a new breed of dog when they don't know that much about them.

find a reputable breeder like Deb Sillars (amazingyorkies) and learn from them and watch their work before you start anything on your own. MO is the puppy mill capital of the US. you don't want to help start yet another one with the person you are working with do you!?

[halandshawnie]

taking the "tone" out of the equation, I think it is all good advise. If you need to ask that type of question, you have not done enough homework to have a litter. Even if you want to raise "pet quality" dogs, and care nothing about AKC standards, you still wouldn't want to breed 6lbs and 12 lbs together. Would you try to breed a 100 lb male with a 50 lb female?

If you are dead set on breeding him, which is your decision, you need a larger female, and might have a harder time finding a larger Yorkie female. Maybe a miniature poodle would be better, and you're just looking a good "pet quality" litter anyways, right?

[BamaFan121s]

The OP asked for advice and got it. Frequently, newer members who are 'rookie' breeders post up for advice and get upset because they didn't get the advice and support they were expecting. Bottom line is though, she got good advice from some experienced and knowledgeable members. If someone is more worried about the "tone" and not the information they were given, maybe they weren't really looking for answers to begin with.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Amazing Yorkies

I'm hoping you don't take this as chastizing or lecturing, but you hit a nerve when I saw where you were from. You didn't look too hard for good breeders in your area. I can't believe you drove 6 hours away when you're just 50 miles from Kansas City and some great YTCA Show Breeders, and I live 60 miles from you and there are 3 Show Breeders, including myself within that 60 miles, and 2 Breeders that I know with healthy, beautiful puppies right in your city. They don't Show, but are breeding to Standard.
Now, if you're like some of the calls I get, looking for full registration for $400.00, just in case you may want to have puppies for your relatives, or have your kids experience birth.. you may have to drive 6 hours for that.
The obvious problem of breeding your male to her female and the size difference aside... What birth weight background does your male have??? I would be concerned about what birthweight a bigger male might throw that would be very dangerous for the female.
It scares me that your friend wants to start a kennel for Yorkies, so that there are "good" Yorkies in your area, when she's starting out with a 12 lb male for stud. We should only use the best for our breeding, not just put a male and female together for puppies.. that's not becoming a good breeder, just adding to Missouri's problem.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by jacksonsmum

I am not a breeder and dont intend to breed ever. Just thinking about it scares me to deathI have been reading this thread and it is fascinating about how and why and why not etc etc.

Just a question regarding the dog who is 12 pounds

Could it be that he is the right "frame" as far as physical size go's in regards to height and length etc but is over weight by six pounds.? Would that make a difference to how big the pups are? Would it mean that the pups would be bigger if he is maybe over weight ?

Just a question and was curious.

Yes that would definitely make a difference. And I wondered asbout that too since she said they were the same size but he weighed twice as much. But if a dog is that much over weight, he is not in the best of health.

[JeanieK]

I think the OP is long gone.

[mandy4]

Originally Posted by simbasmom

I am rather new to Yorkie Talk and I can't even begin to tell you how much I have learned from these forums. However, as a newbie I would like to say that some of the responses on this thread are very harsh. I agree that the original poster does not sound very informed about breeding and probably needs to learn a lot more about it she if she decides to start breeding. However, I think most people would respond better to advice if it was given in a nicer way. I'm not trying to start an argument and I'm not saying that EVERYONE who posted was mean, rude, etc...There were several people who were very friendly. However I don't think posts calling someone "dumb" or telling them to go ahead and breed and let the dog die or necessary or even helpful.

I realize that most of the people on this board are very protective and there's nothing wrong with that. I promise you that I would cause serious injury to anyone who tried to harm my Yorkies. I just think that sometimes before we post it's better to take a minute and think out what we want to say.

I agree with you!

IM not on here much and I dont know anything about breeding any dog, but I do want to say, there are a lot of people that swear by their breeding standards and still get large yorkies.

That's all I am going to say, otherwise I will get lectured.....

[GAOMariposa]

Originally Posted by mandy4

I agree with you!

IM not on here much and I dont know anything about breeding any dog, but I do want to say, there are a lot of people that swear by their breeding standards and still get large yorkies.

That's all I am going to say, otherwise I will get lectured.....

Hi. I'm not a breeder and I've just learned a lot from this site and I'm not trying to lecture you. From what I understand, it is possible for people to get a puppy that's over the standard, even with 2 standard sized parents. The difference is that the parents of the puppy are usually a larger female with a smaller male. This is what I understand and again, I'm not a breeder, just someone who's picked up a lot of information from YT. Maybe some of the breeders can elaborate?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by GAOMariposa

Hi. I'm not a breeder and I've just learned a lot from this site and I'm not trying to lecture you. From what I understand, it is possible for people to get a puppy that's over the standard, even with 2 standard sized parents. The difference is that the parents of the puppy are usually a larger female with a smaller male. This is what I understand and again, I'm not a breeder, just someone who's picked up a lot of information from YT. Maybe some of the breeders can elaborate?

The male does not have to be smaller than the female. He can be larger, but 6 pounds difference is a big difference in little dogs. And also the fact that he is so far outside the standard is an issue.

That size is a big issue because As I stated before, oversize is one of the biggest reasons why yorkies end up in recuses.

It is true that you can get an oversized yorkie out of two standard sized parents which is why it is important to look back several generations.

Many breeders like to breed tiny males to 5 or 6 pound females in hope of getting the tiny puppies. Having the female larger means that she can carry and care for larger litters