Come = run away?

[KJLive]

Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie

what's the difference between clicker training and just using a key word like "yes" in place of clicker? do you know?

I'm going to assume you've not used clicker training. If you have, please accept my apologies for repeating what you already know. But in short, with a clicker, the first thing you do is "load" for a week. have your puppy sit with you and "click" then treat. Repeat for about 25 times everyday. (this is when very small teeny tiny bits of treats come in handy. I would cut mine up so small) Once they associate click = treat, you've got it licked. Now the theory is to use the click as a "marker". The theory should work that you say "dog'sname here", come". When they come, you then click and hand them the treat simutaneously. But I will cheat occasionally and yell "Sophie...come" and then click. She hears that click and wherever she is at in the house she comes running cause she knows she'll get a treat. Eventually I stopped the click and just yelled "sophie come" and she would come knowing that it meant a treat. But basically, there's not much difference between "yes" and "click". They are both markers. But for some reason she responded to the clicker better than my "yes" marker. Hope that helps!

[TatumsMom]

Originally Posted by KJLive

I'm going to assume you've not used clicker training. If you have, please accept my apologies for repeating what you already know. But in short, with a clicker, the first thing you do is "load" for a week. have your puppy sit with you and "click" then treat. Repeat for about 25 times everyday. (this is when very small teeny tiny bits of treats come in handy. I would cut mine up so small) Once they associate click = treat, you've got it licked. Now the theory is to use the click as a "marker". The theory should work that you say "dog'sname here", come". When they come, you then click and hand them the treat simutaneously. But I will cheat occasionally and yell "Sophie...come" and then click. She hears that click and wherever she is at in the house she comes running cause she knows she'll get a treat. Eventually I stopped the click and just yelled "sophie come" and she would come knowing that it meant a treat. But basically, there's not much difference between "yes" and "click". They are both markers. But for some reason she responded to the clicker better than my "yes" marker. Hope that helps!

We learned clicker training at obedience classes and I will say, Tatum doesn't need the clicker anymore but still to this day, if I dig it out of the drawer and click it, she's by my side in a shot! She still remembers that "click" equals "treat"!

And by the way, you described the clicker training method very well. If I hadn't known what it was, that would have been great to hear. The "loading" part is very important and I think you did a great job explaining all of that.

[KJLive]

Originally Posted by TatumsMom

We learned clicker training at obedience classes and I will say, Tatum doesn't need the clicker anymore but still to this day, if I dig it out of the drawer and click it, she's by my side in a shot! She still remembers that "click" equals "treat"!

And by the way, you described the clicker training method very well. If I hadn't known what it was, that would have been great to hear. The "loading" part is very important and I think you did a great job explaining all of that.

Why Thank you! We learned the clicker method in Puppy School at our local PetSmart. That was the second smartest thiing I did. I'd never owned a dog and it was very informative. Assuming all PetSmarts work the same our instructor said the coolest thing the very first class. She said "We are going to teach your dog English and we are going to teach you Dog". It did really help with the important commands and the "silly puppy tricks". Sophie is the same as your puppy. Even though I don't use the clicker anymore (except to get it back out after her spay to reteach "come") it still sits on our counter in a dish. I don't have to say a word but simply "click" and the furry rocket shows up at my feet!

[yorkiepuppie]

Originally Posted by KJLive

I'm going to assume you've not used clicker training. If you have, please accept my apologies for repeating what you already know. But in short, with a clicker, the first thing you do is "load" for a week. have your puppy sit with you and "click" then treat. Repeat for about 25 times everyday. (this is when very small teeny tiny bits of treats come in handy. I would cut mine up so small) Once they associate click = treat, you've got it licked. Now the theory is to use the click as a "marker". The theory should work that you say "dog'sname here", come". When they come, you then click and hand them the treat simutaneously. But I will cheat occasionally and yell "Sophie...come" and then click. She hears that click and wherever she is at in the house she comes running cause she knows she'll get a treat. Eventually I stopped the click and just yelled "sophie come" and she would come knowing that it meant a treat. But basically, there's not much difference between "yes" and "click". They are both markers. But for some reason she responded to the clicker better than my "yes" marker. Hope that helps!

thank you so much! i am thinking that the reason dogs would respond to clicks than "yes" is probably because we say "yes" in our conversations a lot, and they hear it and learn to also ignore it. but we don't click in our conversations. so they don't learn to ignore the clicks. what you think?

when i took milu to puppy class, i asked about clicker training, and was told that the word "yes" works just as well by the trainer.

[yorkiepuppie]

i think it's hard for dogs to understand words that sound too similar.

i taught milu to 'spin' recently. and she would spin, but she would also bark at me a lot when i say "spin". i was confused at first until when i try to ask her to do her other command "speak".... now she will only spin whenever i say 'speak'.

poor little girl, she must have thought i was crazy!

i am trying to figure out a way for her to do the speak command now, i guess i will have to change 'speak' to 'talk' as a command word.

[KJLive]

Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie

i think it's hard for dogs to understand words that sound too similar.

i taught milu to 'spin' recently. and she would spin, but she would also bark at me a lot when i say "spin". i was confused at first until when i try to ask her to do her other command "speak".... now she will only spin whenever i say 'speak'.

poor little girl, she must have thought i was crazy!

i am trying to figure out a way for her to do the speak command now, i guess i will have to change 'speak' to 'talk' as a command word.

Go and get yourself a "clicker" at Petsmart or wherever. They're only a few dollars, if that. (Mine came free with the class). When trying to get her to speak, and she finally does bark, then click. But don't forget...take a week and everyday spend time loading the clicker. click/treat, click/treat. Don't say anything. Let the clicker do the talking. As for spin....what I do is with Sophie in a sit position I say spin while moving the treat in a counter-clockwise motion. She follows the treat and spins nicely. we then "twirl" also, which is the same thing but in a clockwise direction. She also sits, down, crawl, paw (shake), dance and takes treats very nicely from between my limps. But it's funny, when teacher her a new trick and she's not quite got it, she'll go through her whole repertoire of tricks, trying to figure out which one it is that I want her to do to get her the treat. It's a hoot! I get this twirling,spinning,dancing dog. Who will finally go "down" with a thump, trying to figure out what it is I want. LOL!

[ramtmac]

scruffs only listens to me outside when he hears me getting frustrated. whenever we are walking around outside and he is getting his "sniff" on or hears another person or dog, there is no way he's listening to me.

if we are at the dog park on the other hand, if he wanders off by himself for a little while (while we secretly watch him of course) and we call his name he always comes immediately.

it seems like if he knows i'm around and can see me, he doesn't care. if he is doing his own thing and then i show up, he wants to hang out with me.

[KJLive]

Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie

thank you so much! i am thinking that the reason dogs would respond to clicks than "yes" is probably because we say "yes" in our conversations a lot, and they hear it and learn to also ignore it. but we don't click in our conversations. so they don't learn to ignore the clicks. what you think?

when i took milu to puppy class, i asked about clicker training, and was told that the word "yes" works just as well by the trainer.

I think you are correct. We took that darn clicker with us everywhere. Every pee, every poopy, every positive thing she did, we clicked and treated. I agree, I think the words are confusing and little nudging by either clicker or hand motions are the best. I can get Sophie to sit and to go down by moving my hand a certain way. Which was all part of the training at PetSmart. I'm sure there are many on here that have their dogs doing all kinds of neat stuff. Mine are just basic commands.

[yorkiepuppie]

Originally Posted by KJLive

Go and get yourself a "clicker" at Petsmart or wherever. They're only a few dollars, if that. (Mine came free with the class). When trying to get her to speak, and she finally does bark, then click. But don't forget...take a week and everyday spend time loading the clicker. click/treat, click/treat. Don't say anything. Let the clicker do the talking. As for spin....what I do is with Sophie in a sit position I say spin while moving the treat in a counter-clockwise motion. She follows the treat and spins nicely. we then "twirl" also, which is the same thing but in a clockwise direction. She also sits, down, crawl, paw (shake), dance and takes treats very nicely from between my limps. But it's funny, when teacher her a new trick and she's not quite got it, she'll go through her whole repertoire of tricks, trying to figure out which one it is that I want her to do to get her the treat. It's a hoot! I get this twirling,spinning,dancing dog. Who will finally go "down" with a thump, trying to figure out what it is I want. LOL!

omg! thats' so funny! milu does that too!!! when she doesn't know the command, she will just go through all the tricks she knows!!

she also does that when i am eating and won't share with her. she will go through all her tricks in front of me when i am eating. and if that still doesn't work, she will go squeeze something out on the pee pad just so she can make me share a bite of my food with her! LOL

your baby knows left and right!!?!?!?! that's amazing. i mean, she's gotta know the difference in order to do clockwise or counter clockwise right?

wow, i think when you are walking her, you can say, turn left or go right, since your puppy can tell the difference. i think your puppy is smarter than i am, because i still can't tell sometimes! when we are driving, my fiance will often say. "turn right" ..... "No. your OTHER RIGHT!"

lol.

[KJLive]

Originally Posted by ramtmac

scruffs only listens to me outside when he hears me getting frustrated. whenever we are walking around outside and he is getting his "sniff" on or hears another person or dog, there is no way he's listening to me.

if we are at the dog park on the other hand, if he wanders off by himself for a little while (while we secretly watch him of course) and we call his name he always comes immediately.

it seems like if he knows i'm around and can see me, he doesn't care. if he is doing his own thing and then i show up, he wants to hang out with me.

Yeah, I'm afraid yet to try it outside. Sophie is only 7 mths. Although she comes fine in the house, she is easily distracted outside. I don't think she's mature enough yet to put her puppy desires aside and come to me when outside. I notice her improvement in learning from 4 mths of age in puppy school to now at nearly 8 mths. old. i can get her to stay and with treat in hand walk across my kitchen and then release her. Before, she'd last about 1.5 seconds. So there clearly is learning improvement in maturity. My DH says I'm overprotective, but I feel I know her limitations and I'm going with my gut. She did sprint off my front porch last weekend. I screamed and she went about 10 feet and then stopped and laid down (fearfully) in the grass. I'm sure my tone of voice scared her more than anything, as a car was coming down the road and she was headed right for it. Took 10 years off my life, I'll tell ya!

[yorkiepuppie]

Originally Posted by ramtmac

scruffs only listens to me outside when he hears me getting frustrated. whenever we are walking around outside and he is getting his "sniff" on or hears another person or dog, there is no way he's listening to me.

if we are at the dog park on the other hand, if he wanders off by himself for a little while (while we secretly watch him of course) and we call his name he always comes immediately.

it seems like if he knows i'm around and can see me, he doesn't care. if he is doing his own thing and then i show up, he wants to hang out with me.

Originally Posted by KJLive

Yeah, I'm afraid yet to try it outside. Sophie is only 7 mths. Although she comes fine in the house, she is easily distracted outside. I don't think she's mature enough yet to put her puppy desires aside and come to me when outside. I notice her improvement in learning from 4 mths of age in puppy school to now at nearly 8 mths. old. i can get her to stay and with treat in hand walk across my kitchen and then release her. Before, she'd last about 1.5 seconds. So there clearly is learning improvement in maturity. My DH says I'm overprotective, but I feel I know her limitations and I'm going with my gut. She did sprint off my front porch last weekend. I screamed and she went about 10 feet and then stopped and laid down (fearfully) in the grass. I'm sure my tone of voice scared her more than anything, as a car was coming down the road and she was headed right for it. Took 10 years off my life, I'll tell ya!

one thing that i learned from my puppy one class is using the 'down' command in emergencies. (instead of 'come' command) it was explained to us that if a dog is running away from you and into danger, saying "come" requires to many steps for the dog. the dog has to 1)stop, 2)turn around, 3) come to you. but the down command on the other hand. requires ONE step. and it makes them stop running. (that made sense to me)

so when milu was a puppy and does her nightly puppy zooms, her daddy will say "down" to train her to stop on command. it was so cute to see her go so fast in circles yet drops down on her belly everytime her daddy says "down" hehe

[Weneebug]

I would be happy with 2 out of 10 times. My Harley (7 months) never comes when I call him unless I have a treat in my hand. He is constantly running from me at home. He loves to grab shoes and anything he is not suppose to have and run with it. He only wants you pet and hold him when HE wants you to...very stubborn. I have to keep him on a leash outside because he will not respond to you calling him. He has actually darted out of the house when the door was opened and ran down to the street. Luckily we live in a newer subdivison that does not have alot of traffic yet. It still really scares me. If anyone has any suggestions on how to get them to come when they are called I'm open to suggestions.

[yorkiepuppie]

Originally Posted by Weneebug

I would be happy with 2 out of 10 times. My Harley (7 months) never comes when I call him unless I have a treat in my hand. He is constantly running from me at home. He loves to grab shoes and anything he is not suppose to have and run with it. He only wants you pet and hold him when HE wants you to...very stubborn. I have to keep him on a leash outside because he will not respond to you calling him. He has actually darted out of the house when the door was opened and ran down to the street. Luckily we live in a newer subdivison that does not have alot of traffic yet. It still really scares me. If anyone has any suggestions on how to get them to come when they are called I'm open to suggestions.

Post #31 and the ones after that has good suggestions that you can try with your baby.

[Jemma]

When I tell Jemma to come, she thinks it's run run run, grrrrrrrr

[KJLive]

Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie

omg! thats' so funny! milu does that too!!! when she doesn't know the command, she will just go through all the tricks she knows!!

she also does that when i am eating and won't share with her. she will go through all her tricks in front of me when i am eating. and if that still doesn't work, she will go squeeze something out on the pee pad just so she can make me share a bite of my food with her! LOL

your baby knows left and right!!?!?!?! that's amazing. i mean, she's gotta know the difference in order to do clockwise or counter clockwise right?

wow, i think when you are walking her, you can say, turn left or go right, since your puppy can tell the difference. i think your puppy is smarter than i am, because i still can't tell sometimes! when we are driving, my fiance will often say. "turn right" ..... "No. your OTHER RIGHT!"

lol.

Nah, she doesn't know left or right. She only knows which direction the treat is going! LOL

I forgot to comment on your previous mention of changing "speak" to "talk" cause you think she was getting confused. That could very well be. When I was trying to teach Sophie to "shake" (this was just in the last month), she looked at me like I was crazy. But then I started to say "paw" instead, and she picked up on it right away. I think it is because I rub her paws and say the word paw when I do it. This was not intentionally planned. It just happened that way. So now "paw" is our shake. Try changing "speak" to "talk". it just might work!