"Why We Euthanize"---A Good Article

[Baron]

Here are 2 links to newspaper articals, including the one where they were picking up animals from shelters and killing them. This was also on the news on TV.

PETA and Euthanasia | Newsweek Project Green | Newsweek.com

Better dead than fed, PETA says

[Baron]

You can also go to the site of the Virginia Dept of Ag. here and see the results from PETA's rescues.
VDACS Online Animal Reporting Better dead than fed, PETA says

[Woogie Man]

In browsing around, it appears that the article in the OP is a response by Ingrid Newkirk to an article by Nathan Winograd. People can do their own search but it appears that Mr. Winograd is a credible critic of PETA. He is a lawyer with a background in the SPCA and has written a book titled 'Redemption'. You will get many hits if you google his name to find out more about him. Here is the link I found that connects him and Ms. Newkirk....Animal Rights - Change.org: PETA's Euthanasia/Killing Record: Ingrid Newkirk Responds

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Baron

You can also go to the site of the Virginia Dept of Ag. here and see the results from PETA's rescues.
VDACS Online Animal Reporting

This is what I posted pages back, and I guess I'll say it again on this page -- this data shows a euthanasia rate of 22%. So, I'm not sure why you're posting this again. Was there a reason?

[bchgirl]

You kids in here playing nice?

[Woogie Man]

In looking at the VDACS numbers, it seems to me that the animals listed in the 'other' column under the 'received' heading are those brought in to be spayed or neutered. In the 'reclaimed by owner' column under the 'disposition' heading, those look to be the above mentioned animals, though the numbers aren't an exact match. I don't think you would consider these animals in the euthanasia % because these animals were never in PETA's possession other than for spay/neuter. It seems like the 'stray, seized and surrendered by owner' animals would be the ones you would use against the number of animals euthanized. Sorry if I'm mis-reading but that is what I got from the chart.

[Woogie Man]

I should explain that I interpret the chart the way I did in the above post due to seeing a scanned image of the form. In that image, the 'other' column breaks down where these animals came from and the vast majority are there only for spay/neuter and are reclaimed by the owners. This isn't explained in the online version of the chart. Here is a link to the PDF file...http://www.petakillsanimals.com/down...llsAnimals.pdf

I will say up front that the source of this is the CCF through a public records request. I'm sorry that I can't find a more agreeable source, but this is the only place where I've found what appears to be the actual document.

[crystalsmom]

I just read the entire thread and I'm not getting into it except to say, I know someone from Peta would never put anitfreeze in a dog's bowl at a dog show or anywhere. They go to the absolute extreme to help animals in most cases and I think their passion may get a bit much some times. As far as the dog's crates, I do believe we do as a whole have our dogs spend way too much time in crates and that is not just show people with the traveling, hotel and off time at the shows. As a society many of us go to work and leave our dogs crated all day and I think they were trying to make that point.

[QuickSilver]

I would also love to see YT create some kind of rescue effort! I can also see how it could turn into an enormous headache for admin. The effort would have to be led by someone s/he trusts implicitly (do I hear Wylie's Mom?). Maybe this would be a limited registration sister site of some kind.

Some things I could see happening:
- YT members form regular yorkie trains.
- The organization leader affiliates with one or more existing pet rescues and helps with fundraising, etc.
- Taking official positions on animal welfare bills and encouraging letter writing. I see articles about various bills and there's usually some argument about whether the legislation is well written. I have to admit I usually just end up confused. If someone(s) made a concerted effort to keep abreast of legislation and give informed opinions on whether to support it, I think that would be really helpful.

Just some thoughts!

[Woogie Man]

Just as an add-on, I'd like to see a group that could select dogs to rescue. They could really be from almost anywhere if we had fosters in place where the dog could stay and get properly vetted while the perfect home was found. A Yorkie train could then bring him/her to their forever home. Too idealistic?

[QuickSilver]

I'd like to add that YT already is doing great things for animals. I have learned a tremendous amount since joining. I'm sure YT has helped thousands of animals by providing a place to share all kinds of information.

It's just there still so much more to do for animals in this country, and it would be so great if this wonderful community could use its collective power to help.

[Baron]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

This is what I posted pages back, and I guess I'll say it again on this page -- this data shows a euthanasia rate of 22%. So, I'm not sure why you're posting this again. Was there a reason?

When I look at PETA's numbers, I do not count the owner's that get their lost dogs back in their KILL numbers, if you figure that PETA had 1896 animals in 2007 that were actually shelter animals and they KILLED 1815 that is 96% of the animals they took in and only found homes for 17 that is really poor service for the animals.

[Baron]

Originally Posted by crystalsmom

I just read the entire thread and I'm not getting into it except to say, I know someone from Peta would never put anitfreeze in a dog's bowl at a dog show or anywhere. They go to the absolute extreme to help animals in most cases and I think their passion may get a bit much some times. As far as the dog's crates, I do believe we do as a whole have our dogs spend way too much time in crates and that is not just show people with the traveling, hotel and off time at the shows. As a society many of us go to work and leave our dogs crated all day and I think they were trying to make that point.

Yes, I am sure they are helping them when they release them from their crates at the shows so they can run out into traffic and get hit by a car, or they get scared and run away and end up on their own in unfamiliar places and starve to death. Yep, that sure is helping them...........

[crystalsmom]

Originally Posted by Baron

Yes, I am sure they are helping them when they release them from their crates at the shows so they can run out into traffic and get hit by a car, or they get scared and run away and end up on their own in unfamiliar places and starve to death. Yep, that sure is helping them...........

I said at times their passion can be a bit too much and of course I wouldn't want it done outside and I don't think they would either. I'm sure some people aren't too happy with my post but this is something I have thought of for a very long time. They made their point and I was trying to make mine.

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by Baron

When I look at PETA's numbers, I do not count the owner's that get their lost dogs back in their KILL numbers, if you figure that PETA had 1896 animals in 2007 that were actually shelter animals and they KILLED 1815 that is 96% of the animals they took in and only found homes for 17 that is really poor service for the animals.

Why wouldn't you count animals that peta reunited with their owners? Though peta is not a shelter, any shelter would count ALL dogs in their statistics.

I'm also confused by the first two links you posted. The first was addressed before you even posted it by Kimberly's original link and then by Ann's link. Unless you wanted to debate the merits of kill vs. no kill shelters, which doesn't seem relevant to this particular thread, I don't get it. The second is an op-ed (opinion) piece based on the CCF's twisted campaign.