"Why We Euthanize"---A Good Article

[hartygirl]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

If dogs were poisoned by anyone at a dog show, that would be a criminal act - there would have been charges, arrests, media reports. I can't imagine any animal lover or animal welfare worker poisoning a dog. If someone can provide a police report or news story, I'd like to read it.

I could see, sadly, someone trying to pretend to be an animal activist and then harming animals, just to hurt the animal rights/welfare movement. I'm sorry to say that, but it's true. Just bc someone is wearing a PETA t-shirt, it does not mean that PETA condones their actions - nor does it mean they're from PETA.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by hartygirl

There are 2 kinds of people in this world people that care for animals and those that don't. I think everyone on this thread is an animal lover, weather the support/agree with PETA or not! So with that being said get to work on those letters!!!!!

Exactly! This is why I want to start our own organization - one that supports good breeders and pursues humane treatment for all creatures!

Because I lose so much energy debating about PETA.

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

This article is incredibly heartbreaking, however, it says in pictures what I've tried to say many times regarding PETA and euthanasia. PETA, during the course of investigations, often rescues the *very* worst of the worst - the indescribable, the animals you almost wish you'd never seen bc their state may haunt you for the rest of your life. That is why PETA's euthanasia rate is higher than many.

For those unfamiliar w/ the Asilomar Accords, I'd suggest checking them out before judging an organization's euthanasia rate - those guideposts for assessing an animal are what animal welfare organizations use - and like I said, PETA takes in the worst. It's tragic, but when an animal is so near death or so untreatable, choices have to be made and sometimes euthanasia is the kindest path for certain animals, as sad as that is.

Very Good Posting Ann and Thanks Megan's Mom for posting the article without pictures. You are right. There is not reason not to be informed. A few weeks back I read the article but on PETA's site. Elaine

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Exactly! This is why I want to start our own organization - one that supports good breeders and pursues humane treatment for all creatures!

Because I lose so much energy debating about PETA.

Ann, if you decide to start this organization please let me know. I will gladly help. I think there is a lot we can all do to better our world and it's treatment of ALL animals. Elaine

[straightsilk]

Originally Posted by Nikki+2

I took it as a response to those who have adopted the mantra, "PETA Kills Animals" after being the recipients of a good brainwashing by the CCF. It is obvious from this thread that there are plenty of people who do not support peta and have seen through that campaign but their are many people out there who haven't.

I think most people who have to handle euthanasia are absolutely incredible and much stronger than I am. Most shelter workers are heroes IMO. This was just a personal article about a personal experience. That kind usually carries a big impact.

Today is the first time I ever heard of CCF. My opinion of PETA stems from their owns words, the legislation they are trying to cram down our throats, their demonstration at Westminster this year where they wore KKK type white hoods and accused dog breeders of being dog killers. Their tactics, agenda and willingness to exploit the suffering of poor animals disgusts me.

If you didn't see the news coverage of the demonstration at Westminster this year, just google it.

Please educate yourself about the proposed anti-breeder legislation in your community. Much of it will punish good breeders while the abusive ones will continue. These are community problems and until communities come up with workable solutions, animals will continue to suffer and unwanted dogs and cats will continue to be destroyed. Everyone who loves animals wants them treated ethically. PETA does not have the corner on that. But I want to know that my great grandkids will be able to have a purebred puppy to love and PETA does not.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by straightsilk

Today is the first time I ever heard of CCF. My opinion of PETA stems from their owns words, the legislation they are trying to cram down our throats, their demonstration at Westminster this year where they wore KKK type white hoods and accused dog breeders of being dog killers. Their tactics, agenda and willingness to exploit the suffering of poor animals disgusts me.

If you didn't see the news coverage of the demonstration at Westminster this year, just google it.

Please educate yourself about the proposed anti-breeder legislation in your community. Much of it will punish good breeders while the abusive ones will continue. These are community problems and until communities come up with workable solutions, animals will continue to suffer and unwanted dogs and cats will continue to be destroyed. Everyone who loves animals wants them treated ethically. PETA does not have the corner on that. But I want to know that my great grandkids will be able to have a purebred puppy to love and PETA does not.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers...

Btw....PETA announces when they will come stage their protests at dog shows, hence our security measures we take when they attend. But of course now that they are getting out of hand, my dogs crates are pad locked unfortuntely

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by straightsilk

Today is the first time I ever heard of CCF. My opinion of PETA stems from their owns words, the legislation they are trying to cram down our throats, their demonstration at Westminster this year where they wore KKK type white hoods and accused dog breeders of being dog killers. Their tactics, agenda and willingness to exploit the suffering of poor animals disgusts me.

If you didn't see the news coverage of the demonstration at Westminster this year, just google it.

Please educate yourself about the proposed anti-breeder legislation in your community. Much of it will punish good breeders while the abusive ones will continue. These are community problems and until communities come up with workable solutions, animals will continue to suffer and unwanted dogs and cats will continue to be destroyed. Everyone who loves animals wants them treated ethically. PETA does not have the corner on that. But I want to know that my great grandkids will be able to have a purebred puppy to love and PETA does not.

That is the problem- MOST people haven't heard of the CCF so they don't realize where the information is coming from and how unreliable it is. I understand your feelings about peta and I did hear about the demonstration. It is definitely an issue that I don't agree with personally.

We don't have to agree on everything. I do agree 100% that peta does not have the market cornered on a desire for animals to be treated ethically and I think that is wonderful. They are actually not even one of the organizations that receive the a large part of money that we donate. They are one of the biggest who have done the most for animals worldwide though. This thread was about the euthanasia rate that has been brought up multiple times on YT and hopefully those who had issue with it understand the reality better now, both from the article Kimberly posted and the actual statistics that Ann posted. I have said several times in every peta thread that I completely understand it isn't an organization for everyone and I completely respect that.

I am very familiar with my own state's proposed spay/neuter bill and somewhat informed about some of the other states'. I try to keep as up to date as possible on all bills and laws regarding animals. I am a big letter writer and phone caller and I make sure I have my facts straight from reliable, independent sources. We can have a difference of opinion without that meaning one of us in uninformed.

[hartygirl]

Originally Posted by Nikki+2

I am very familiar with my own state's proposed spay/neuter bill and somewhat informed about some of the other states'. I try to keep as up to date as possible on all bills and laws regarding animals. I am a big letter writer and phone caller and I make sure I have my facts straight from reliable, independent sources. We can have a difference of opinion without that meaning one of us in uninformed.

Good girl!
You are part of the solution.

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Exactly! This is why I want to start our own organization - one that supports good breeders and pursues humane treatment for all creatures!

Because I lose so much energy debating about PETA.

I'm with you Ann.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by kalina82

I'm with you Ann.

With Elaine, that makes us a 3-member group so far!! Wait, I know Nikki+2 is in - we're up to 4 ! Seriously, wouldn't that just be a dream? With the intelligent members of YT developing a great animal welfare agency? All the different opinions getting mashed up and combined into a win-win group.

[hartygirl]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

With Elaine, that makes us a 3-member group so far!! Wait, I know Nikki+2 is in - we're up to 4 ! Seriously, wouldn't that just be a dream? With the intelligent members of YT developing a great animal welfare agency? All the different opinions getting mashed up and combined into a win-win group.

Dare to dream... It could happen! Make it 5!

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

With Elaine, that makes us a 3-member group so far!! Wait, I know Nikki+2 is in - we're up to 4 ! Seriously, wouldn't that just be a dream? With the intelligent members of YT developing a great animal welfare agency? All the different opinions getting mashed up and combined into a win-win group.

Ann, I love your idealism. Without people dreaming of something better, the whole world would just go right down the tubes.

I've had the germ of an idea of the folks at YorkieTalk getting together and forming a rescue. It seems that it's kind of done informally anyway. The 'Emma' thread got me to thinking about it more seriously. So many offered help to a girl that shouldn't have needed rescuing that I thought...hey, why not do it for dogs in serious need? YorkieTalk does, after all, have a nationwide reach. Could we not set up a fund and rescue some deserving dogs? They could then be adopted out and the funds from that could roll over to help another. Is this too crazy to be workable? There just seems to be so much good will here that it should be put to good use.

Honestly, I would love to see some sort of group formed here and would help in any way I could.

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Ann, I love your idealism. Without people dreaming of something better, the whole world would just go right down the tubes.

I've had the germ of an idea of the folks at YorkieTalk getting together and forming a rescue. It seems that it's kind of done informally anyway. The 'Emma' thread got me to thinking about it more seriously. So many offered help to a girl that shouldn't have needed rescuing that I thought...hey, why not do it for dogs in serious need? YorkieTalk does, after all, have a nationwide reach. Could we not set up a fund and rescue some deserving dogs? They could then be adopted out and the funds from that could roll over to help another. Is this too crazy to be workable? There just seems to be so much good will here that it should be put to good use.

Honestly, I would love to see some sort of group formed here and would help in any way I could.

a YT rescue has been brought up many times. its just such a hard thing to do properly. Afterall, we only know each other here through the web and, nothing against anyone here, but i personally don't trust people fully that i haven't met. too many things can go wrong.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Ann, I love your idealism. Without people dreaming of something better, the whole world would just go right down the tubes.

I've had the germ of an idea of the folks at YorkieTalk getting together and forming a rescue. It seems that it's kind of done informally anyway. The 'Emma' thread got me to thinking about it more seriously. So many offered help to a girl that shouldn't have needed rescuing that I thought...hey, why not do it for dogs in serious need? YorkieTalk does, after all, have a nationwide reach. Could we not set up a fund and rescue some deserving dogs? They could then be adopted out and the funds from that could roll over to help another. Is this too crazy to be workable? There just seems to be so much good will here that it should be put to good use.

Honestly, I would love to see some sort of group formed here and would help in any way I could.

Originally Posted by kalina82

a YT rescue has been brought up many times. its just such a hard thing to do properly. Afterall, we only know each other here through the web and, nothing against anyone here, but i personally don't trust people fully that i haven't met. too many things can go wrong.

Wouldn't it be great? How wonderful to rescue/sponsor a certain little dog and we could all watch the journey to the new forever home. I love the idea, Jim. I wonder how we could do it.

I hear ya, Kellie, it could get complicated and things could happen that could really get complicated.

I think admin has considered this before at length and I think it was so complicated with logistics (not to mention some liability) that it wasn't moved forward. 'Course, never hurts to ask .

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Wouldn't it be great? How wonderful to rescue/sponsor a certain little dog and we could all watch the journey to the new forever home. I love the idea, Jim. I wonder how we could do it.

I hear ya, Kellie, it could get complicated and things could happen that could really get complicated.

I think admin has considered this before at length and I think it was so complicated with logistics (not to mention some liability) that it wasn't moved forward. 'Course, never hurts to ask .

I've always believed that where there's a will, there's a way. I do think Admin. would have to be at least minimally involved but maybe not to the extent of having liability issues. I do understand Kellie's concerns but feel that it could be ironed out. For myself, I only 'know' a few people well but am willing to offer up my personal info to someone trusted, if that would help. Maybe we should toss this ball in the air one more time and see if it could be made to work.