Does this look like the same dog to you?

[jmdt]

I personally don't have anything to do with this whole mess, but I am just sad for the little baby. Being shipped once and now maybe being shipped back. It's like it has the plague or something. It just wants to go home, where ever that may be. It deserves that,(a good home). All this talk about it's coat not being right. Really !!! I can understand if you feel you got taken, but this is not a pocketbook you buy on ebay it's a living creature. I just don't get it, sorry. Very sad

[Borinal]

Originally Posted by jasmanea

Thanks, but don't bother posting anymore honey. It is really a complete waste of time. You can not fight others opinions. People love to give them, even though they don't have all the facts. Please call me at home so we can discuss it in person and I am glad Jessy is doing well. I'd love some new pics.
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Other than that I came on here one more time (in this thread of course) just to get it off my email and click "no email notification". I have offered the refund as previously stated. All my emails are now personal as they were before I was so blatantly thrown under the bus by the OP. So on that note. Every other opinion is really speculation and pointless. The OP whose name is Erin should have kept it personal. Oh well. I have sold many puppies/dogs on Yt and this is just a tiny thorn. Never had one single negative thing said about any of them.Thanks for all the private pms that advised me not to bother writing any more in this thread. I do have more important threads to read now This is silliness I choose to step away from. The OP knows I have the emails and all the backing I need is up above me and around me.

Wait, hold on here.

[SandysDaddy]

No offense to the OP but this is why you should always meet the dog before taking on the challenge. Because, if you don't meet the dog and just have him shipped to you... you don't know what you're in for.

I don't think those are the same dogs. I've heard of a yorkies coat changing with growth... but not that much. The one coat is darker than the other. Now, different foods can cause the coat to be shinier or duller... which many posters failed to mention (dogs aren't born with shiny coats, after all )... but, that's just too much. Those can't be the same dogs. They look nothing alike to me.

In this case, I feel sorry for the OP and the yorkie. I don't know who to feel more sorry for, though. The OP was obviously scammed. Rather intentionally or not. She was. But, the yorkie is obviously very stressed. And, shipping her back and forth is not going to help with her aggression. If anything, it's going to make it worse because she's stressed.

I swear, if I had the extra money and one less dog than I have.. I'd offer to take this baby. She's very pretty (I think) and I have the patience to handle an aggressive dog and rehabilitate her. I also don't have any kids- so, kid aggression wouldn't be a problem for me.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by jasmanea

Poverty?? Take a look at my photos, then yours and please do yourself a favor before quoting and realize my mother purchased them from my fathers money when he passed!!. I don't ever cry poverty and work very hard! I simply tried to stress to you that I was a decent individual-but really YOUR opinion doesn't matter since you do not know me. You were well aware of the "aggression" and you ASSURED me many times over that you knew "click training, behavioral training, etc.. for those in doubt, please go back and read her initial newbie posts!! You also said you little dogs went after the birds, so it is not just Emma.

Please get that dog back. Give her the money. It looks like the dog is kept outside and is dirty. My heart is broken. That is her fault for not visiting the dog before she layed out 1100 dollars. And to have small kids she should have introduced the dog to the kids first or dont buy an adult Yorkie..This situation is very irresposible on the buyers part and it all makes me sick to my stomach...Please get this dog back from her....

[Borinal]

Originally Posted by jasmanea

Thanks, but don't bother posting anymore honey. It is really a complete waste of time. You can not fight others opinions. People love to give them, even though they don't have all the facts. Please call me at home so we can discuss it in person and I am glad Jessy is doing well. I'd love some new pics.
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Other than that I came on here one more time (in this thread of course) just to get it off my email and click "no email notification". I have offered the refund as previously stated. All my emails are now personal as they were before I was so blatantly thrown under the bus by the OP. So on that note. Every other opinion is really speculation and pointless. The OP whose name is Erin should have kept it personal. Oh well. I have sold many puppies/dogs on Yt and this is just a tiny thorn. Never had one single negative thing said about any of them.Thanks for all the private pms that advised me not to bother writing any more in this thread. I do have more important threads to read now This is silliness I choose to step away from. The OP knows I have the emails and all the backing I need is up above me and around me.

We are desparately trying to work out an amicable resolution to this.
So it's good enough for us to send you a wire transfer (which cost an extra $70 to make sure you got your full amount) at protest of paypal because you have had bad experiences with people disputing purchases from you (I wonder why), sight unseen and trust that you put the dog on the plane and that she is what we were expecting. But, you can't refund our money prior to shipment? Why is it only good enough one way?


Given the circumstances of the whole transaction and situation we said we are willing to pay the one way of shipping but you need to own up and pay her way back. Also, with the vet costs you'd have had to have it done regardless, she was overdue on her shots and the only thing that was specific to this was her transport document which was $15. Another thing, where is it our responsibility to pick up the cost of $55 for Interceptor for YOUR dogs, she wasn't shipped with this. Infact she was shipped in a horribly cruel sized nasty dirty old crate and since coming to us HAS been pampered and cleaned up. Which was definitely not something that you appeared to keep up on. I half expected her to be groomed and cleaned up all nicely when she came to us. I didn't expect her neglected tattered state that she arrived in at all. She looks better than she did when she came to us and a dog surely wouldn't decline that much from your "recent pictures" to her current state in a week of our care, do you honestly think that everyone on this board is that stupid?


You need to own up and make this right. I don't appreciate you threatening us, it's pretty un-becoming of you. If anyone should feel threatened it should be you and not by "people to take care of" YOUR slander, not ours. But threatened by the fact that if you don't make this right I definitely will not take it lying down or roll over on the $1150 that you took us for. I will pursue any and every legal avenue that is available to ensure that this is made right and that you don't get away with what you've done.


Please consider doing the right thing here. I'm more than willing to discuss the return of Emma with you but it will not be a half-assed refund or on the word of COD. You are the one that misrepresented Emma, it's time for you to trust us like we did you. I assure you, we have no desire to keep Emma from you she is not fitting in at our house and frankly we'd be hard pressed to give her away locally based on the interest that we've been able to gauge.

[Borinal]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

Please get that dog back. Give her the money. It looks like the dog is kept outside and is dirty. My heart is broken. That is her fault for not visiting the dog before she layed out 1100 dollars. And to have small kids she should have introduced the dog to the kids first or dont buy an adult Yorkie..This situation is very irresposible on the buyers part and it all makes me sick to my stomach...Please get this dog back from her....

The situation is irresponsible on the buyers part for talking with the seller and trusting her word? How does the blame fall back on us and not the deceiver?

The dog is not kept outside. As pointed out by various other unrelated YT members the 2 pictures were taken outside. She is not being kept outside. Did you neglect to acknowldge the one of her in her little dog bed that was waiting for her? Or the non existent ones of her in the clothes that absolutely don't fit her due to the misrepresentation of her size. The only time that she is outside or in her crate is WHILE (which doesn't take long mind you) our Teiya is eating so that she can *gasp* actually eat without being driven off and overtaken.

[dogbert]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

Wow, that last picture looks like a dog that is upset and scared....

That was the first thing I noticed, the fear in her eyes. That's what our rescue looked like the first day we brought her home.

[hasrv4fun]

Originally Posted by Teiya

Because it doesn't to me. Maybe I'm missing something. I don't know.

The first dog is the one that I bought. Represented as a 5lb dog with a sweet disposition who is gentle and docile. The second dog is the one that was shipped to me weighing 6lbs 12oz (on an empty stomach mind you!) who is horribly food aggressive and attacks my 3.5lb yorkie.

Granted, I was informed that the picture that was sent to me was a month old. I just didn't expect this dramatic of a change in 1 month. This was $1100 of my hard earned money. I'm not only disappointed, but I'm really upset at the feeling that I've been scammed by a fellow YT member.

What would you do?

That is not the same dog - no way -no how!!!!!!! different look , coat and color

[TLC]

Honestly....the FATE of an UN-SPAYED female NEEDS to be handled by the Breeder

...this is so scarey and so sad

[Borinal]

Originally Posted by jmdt

I personally don't have anything to do with this whole mess, but I am just sad for the little baby. Being shipped once and now maybe being shipped back. It's like it has the plague or something. It just wants to go home, where ever that may be. It deserves that,(a good home). All this talk about it's coat not being right. Really !!! I can understand if you feel you got taken, but this is not a pocketbook you buy on ebay it's a living creature. I just don't get it, sorry. Very sad

It is very sad, and it's easy for all of you to say not being in our extremely difficult situation. It's unfortunate that she was misrepresented because regardless of how sad it is, it isn't ok to misrepresent anything else so why does it make us the bad guys in this situation? My wife is far more compassionate than I am regarding the whole matter and was more than willing to try to make things work I can assure if her of all people can't get past Emma's disposition there is a problem. She's not a right fit for our family and it's not a crime. You can preach all that you want that we need to get her spayed and take her to a trainer, and this, that, and the other. But it's like buying a car with a blown motor and a wrecked body that was represented as an otherwise entirely different condition and saying that we just need to take it to the body shop and get the engine replaced, it's a horrible anology as Emma is a living being, but the bottom line is that she is NOT what we paid for, she is NOT what we were led to expect, and it's NOT right for the seller and her firends on YT to try to twist it around on us because I guranteed that they wouldn't be so open minded to the whole situation if they were in our place.

[LuvmyYorkies2]

I hope this doesn't get too ugly. I certainly hope she is willing to give you all or at least part of your money back in exchange for the return of this precious little girl.

There is nothing a breeder should want more than to make sure they find the right home for their dogs.

Jasmanea-
PLEASE PLEASE get the dog back, give them some money back, and find the dog a home that best suits her so she can be loved. She deserves that.

[Borinal]

Originally Posted by LuvmyYorkies2

I hope this doesn't get too ugly. I certainly hope she is willing to give you all or at least part of your money back in exchange for the return of this precious little girl.

There is nothing a breeder should want more than to make sure they find the right home for their dogs.

Jasmanea-
PLEASE PLEASE get the dog back, give them some money back, and find the dog a home that best suits her so she can be loved. She deserves that.

I really hate to say it but the home that she needs isn't going to pay her what we did. Based on the way that she's conducted this transaction and handled the inevitable confrontation of the matter I don't think that she ever had Emma's best interest at heart; at all. Though I'd love for her to prove me wrong. I've tried to be as nice about it as I can but she's only tried to twist it back on us with a guilt trip and it's not right. The more and more that I think about it, it just saddens me and pisses me off because we're not the bad guys here.

[LuvmyYorkies2]

Originally Posted by Borinal

I really hate to say it but the home that she needs isn't going to pay her what we did. Based on the way that she's conducted this transaction and handled the inevitable confrontation of the matter I don't think that she ever had Emma's best interest at heart; at all. Though I'd love for her to prove me wrong.

Believe me, I understand your frustration given the amount of money you've put out. Are you trying to continue communicating with her privately and calmly(I know this can be difficult but nothing can get solved if all parties are too emotional)? Is she saying she is not willing to give you back any money? Sorry you're going through this!

[Borinal]

Originally Posted by LuvmyYorkies2

Believe me, I understand your frustration given the amount of money you've put out. Are you trying to continue communicating with her privately and calmly(I know this can be difficult but nothing can get solved if all parties are too emotional)? Is she saying she is not willing to give you back any money? Sorry you're going through this!

It's perfectly fine, it's turned into a long thread and at this point is hard to follow especially for people like me with ADD. =) haha

She is offerring a refund minus the vet bill (which as stated included half of the cost for her dogs not Emma, and only $15 of it for anything relating to her actual travel expense), and minus the shipping here and back and only COD (cash on delivery) but it's good enough for US to send the money to her prior to her travel to us.... I'm weary of her unwillingness to meet us half way here.

If you take the $120? vet bill, $174 each way, the $70 for her specific payment method we're down $538 ish? It's 50% of our investment, how is that right when we are the ones that were taken advantage of? she doesn't seem to really want the dog back she's trying to guilt us into making it work and trying to make it such a financial loss that no one would consent to the return, chances are we could turn around and sell Emma for 400-500 locally, and she knows that.

For the seller, take Gina's number and change the last digit to 4 and you have my number, you are more than welcome to call me. I'm at work so if I can't answer leave me a message and I'll call you back. I just tried to let Gina take care of it because she's a lot nicer than I am. But I'm far from an unreasonable person. I just wont let anyone dick me around and screw me.

Most people can't deal with the tension and the reality of it but there is just no better way to put things. It's just what it comes down to whether you only want to think it or say it. Obviously beating around the bush hasn't gotten anywhere with the seller. I just can't stand by and bite my tongue any longer because this whole situation is just wrong and someone needed to say it, though nothing that I've said hasn't been incinuated multiple times throughout the thread by numerous YT members.

[bjh]

It is because of threads like this than many reputable breeders will not sell to anyone on YT. My prayers go out for the little yorkie in the middle of all this.