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Old 08-27-2009, 09:24 AM   #1
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Unlove I may have to give him up... he's 5 m/o and scarily aggressive =*(

I can't even walk him. He'll bite his leash and it becomes "his toy" - he'll literally GO for you if you try to get the leash to walk him. The craziest bark I've ever heard - and I've had rottweilers, malamutes, even other terriers - I have NEVER had a dog try to attack me like Rocky does. When you try to pet him he bites you every. time. We tried crate training after the first week or so of getting 0 sleep with him in our room. Then he just got meaner and meaner. We bought a huge puppy play pen, hoping to teach him some gratitude, kindness, like getting out of the pen is a "privaledge" so you should behave (aka no bite when being pet, no jump and try and bite the face when person's at your level - aka just act like an effing dog WITHOUT rabies!!!). I have tried everything and he has just gotten more and more aggressive. I got him from the LIAR'S website puppypetite.com - which is not like a house like they show online, you drive 2 hours to find it's a friggin MILL. He poo's and pee's where he sleeps - we've tried everything from pee sprays to dog litter to news paper with hormone pee spray to walking (but you heard how that goes - and we've tried with leash and harness and leash with COLLAR - he just goes INSANE) - the same with when he eats or has a toy he likes - if you attempt to pet him he tries to take your head off and acts like a tazmanian devil. I'm devastated. Do I nuter him and see if a miracle happens? Which here will cost me over $500.00 in pre-op testing and the surgery - or should I hand him over to the pound (obviously on full disclosure) and try for another dog. I think something is seriously wrong with him. We had a trainer come to us and all... I bought and read and APPLIED the teachings of 4 different yorkie training books, but NONE of them describe a dog near the way Rocky acts. My heart is broken... for those of you who remember us - we're the couple who got married and I got sick on my honeymoon. After a 40 day period 8 months later now it's stopped coming for a straight 8 months. I have ectopic endometriosis and a brain tumor (pituitary gland) which makes my body ACT like it's pregnant (I'm lactating, went from an AA cup to a C - abdomen swolling, crying fits and mood swings, cravings) - all which are a constant reminder of my serious endo - which 9/10 doctors have said a baby is a million to one chance - especially since during this time they found I had vasculitis - which turned into Behcet's - a rare multi-system rheumatologic vascular autoimmune disease - causing severe arthritis and interior/exterior lesions that cause central nervous system damage, as well as peripheral...worst of all, it causes bi-lateral blindness in over 50% of patients... and research has only started in America since 2005... We're 24... and it all just seemed so unfair - my parents agreed a puppy could fill the gap the pregnancy hormones were sending me as a cruel reminder of never being pregnant. I even have contractions here and there that are devastating. At 24 I'm on oxycontin and oxycodone both throughout my everyday - as well as neurontin and the plethora of behcet's immunostabilizers - next step are anti-cancer injections... and of course - God hands me a killer yorkie - a YORKIE of all killers! =(

Sorry for the novel... it just breaks my heart =(
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Old 08-27-2009, 09:40 AM   #2
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I would look for a yorkie rescue to take him. They will be able to find the right home whereas the pound doesn't do such intense screening. Wishing you the best with your health problems.
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Honey, first of all, what you have is an unsocialized puppy. That's all!
I will admit Buddy seemed pretty much the same way at that age. I thought
he had a screw loose, really but with reading and common sence we got
threw this period. Puppepetite is, as you know now not the place to purchase
a healthy puppy. Buddy was from a place similar to that and I can relate
to you. What I did was crate him during the day when I was not home,
walked him immediately when I got home. He was pretty aggressive outdoors as well, picking up cigarettes, pine cones etc while walking. Trying to get
these things out of his mouth was awful. He bit me everytime and such
an aggressive growl it made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
I thought perhaps something was wrong with his brain. LOL
During my home hours I put a gate up across the room I was in and let
him hang out with me. I kept treats next to me and talked to him all the
while I was watching tv. He was not huggable then either. Every so often
I would call his name and lean over and treat him and say good boy.
After a couple of nights he started coming to me, then up on the chair with me, of course looking for treats but we were making progress. Your baby
has to trust you is all. His surroundings are all new to him and he probably
was never hugged or kissed by a human. Build trust the rest will come
gradually. Puppies are little terriers anyhow but to add one that has
not been socialized only makes it's worse. With lot's of training, love
and patience Buddy is a wonderful pet today. We went threw many
difficult times, food guarding, toy guarding, pet guarding etc. We got
threw it and the only thing we are still working on is aggression with
bigger dogs. He's come a long way and it was all worth it. I can't imagine
life without my Bud. Yorkies that don't get that in-home puppy experience
which only dedicated breeder's can give,
can come to you like this but you can and will make him the Yorkie
he was ment to be. He only got a bad start, that was no fault of his.
All the things you mentioned can be corrected. Believe me. Buddy
is 5 now and when I look back I laugh at this little dog and what he
put me threw. For dog's that are from puppymills, byb and pet stores
this is what can happen and more often than not it does.
Be patient and loving and you won't be sorry.
Good luck,
I am so sorry your sick as well. I hope things work out for
you regarding your puppy and health.
If you can't handle him please look to a rescue not a
pound because anyone who get's him will only return him
and heaven forbid he bites someone being unsocialized he
will be put down.

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Old 08-27-2009, 09:50 AM   #4
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I am going to say that I would have him neutered first. This may help calm him down and turn him into a mushy baby. Also, can you start to "clicker" train him???

My TJ was a terror when he was younger too and through consistant training and reading books on agrression (check out dogwise.com ) we have overcome this.

However, if you find this is too much for you, please don't dump him at the pound. There are a good number of Yorkie Rescues in the NYS area:

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Youve got alot on your plate right now and having an aggressive yorkie just might not be good for you. You need a good professional trainer. If not Give him to a rescue . The pound will most likely just put him to sleep because hes aggressive
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Honey, first of all, what you have is an unsocialized puppy. That's all!
I will admit Buddy seemed pretty much the same way at that age. I thought
he had a screw loose, really but with reading and common sence we got
threw this period. Puppepetite is, as you know now not the place to purchase
a healthy puppy. Buddy was from a place similar to that and I can relate
to you. What I did was crate him during the day when I was not home,
walked him immediately when I got home. He was pretty aggressive outdoors as well, picking up cigarettes, pine cones etc while walking. Trying to get
these things out of his mouth was awful. He bit me everytime and such
an aggressive growl it made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
I thought perhaps something was wrong with his brain. LOL
During my home hours I put a gate up across the room I was in and let
him hang out with me. I kept treats next to me and talked to him all the
while I was watching tv. He was not huggable then either. Every so often
I would call his name and lean over and treat him and say good boy.
After a couple of nights he started coming to me, then up on the chair with me, of course looking for treats but we were making progress. Your baby
has to trust you is all. His surroundings are all new to him and he probably
was never hugged or kissed by a human. Build trust the rest will come
gradually. Puppies are little terriers anyhow but to add one that has
not been socialized only makes it's worse. With lot's of training, love
and patience Buddy is a wonderful pet today. We went threw many
difficult times, food guarding, toy guarding, pet guarding etc. We got
threw it and the only thing we are still working on is aggression with
bigger dogs. He's come a long way and it was all worth it. I can't imagine
life without my Bud. Yorkies that don't get that in-home puppy experience
which only dedicated breeder's can give,
can come to you like this but you can and will make him the Yorkie
he was ment to be. He only got a bad start, that was no fault of his.
All the things you mentioned can be corrected. Believe me. Buddy
is 5 now and when I look back I laugh at this little dog and what he
put me threw. For dog's that are from puppymills, byb and pet stores
this is what can happen and more often than not it does.
Be patient and loving and you won't be sorry.
Good luck,
I am so sorry your sick as well. I hope things work out for
you regarding your puppy and health.
If you can't handle him please look to a rescue not a
pound because anyone who get's him will only return him
and heaven forbid he bites someone being unsocialized he
will be put down.
Wonderful post Carol! I hope the OP will take your advise so she will be able to keep her baby and have a great relationship with him.
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I completely agree with Chachi.

You must be overwhelmed with your own medical crisis, and I am so sorry you have to deal with this at such a young age. Adding more stress to your life is not going to help you heal, which is what you should be doing now.

My heart also goes out to Rocky, who at his young age may need an owner with much more experience, patience and determination to work with him and eventually see if his problem is socialization or neurological.

From your post, I'd guess you are leaning in the direction of giving him up, but PLEASE don't take him to a pound. Find a rescue and give him a chance.

Wishing all the best for your health!
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I agree for sure do not give him up to a pound. I would honestly try a professional trainer first and if that didn't help, then I would locate a yorkie rescue!
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I want to give you a little bit of my input. I have a bunch of medical problems (NOTHING as serious as yours, but still there). I'm not as brave as you, so I'm not going to talk about it here, BUT I will say that when I am "hurting" Bailey can sense it and he really acts out. He is almost uncontrollable for me! Bailey has major separation anxiety and he's a very high maintenance dog (above and beyond being a yorkie). I've gone through 4 trainers and 2 petsmart classes. I can tell you that I think it may have something to do with your baby being able to to sense your medical condition and perhaps is acting out because of it. Maybe you may want train your baby through like a therapy dog program or service dog or something similar? In fact, I don't know why I never thoguht of that for Bailey...LOL! Just a thought... Good luck with your everything you are going through!!!!!! Hugs!
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I too am sorry for all that you are going through. I can't imagine.

I believe every pet that will not be bred should be s/n'd, this should be the default action. Don't keep him if you aren't planning to do this. The ASPCA should be able to do a much cheaper neuter. I'll repeat what everyone has said, please take him to a rescue if you don't keep him.

It sounds like maybe you need a sweet, older dog who can be more of a companion to you. Puppies, it's all about them. I agree with Archie, what you're describing doesn't sound that crazy, though it is possible he is picking up on the extreme stress you are under. For instance, on the leash - tons and tons of dogs bite the leash. You can just get one with a length of chain on the end, problem solved. Also, many dogs get walked with a harness, collar and leash, since a determined dog can slip out of its harness.
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it is possible he is picking up on the extreme stress you are under.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Dogs are extremely sensitive to body language and state of mind. I'm not saying that's the only reason he's acting up, but I'm sure your stress is also contributing to the problem.

PLZ PLZ PLZ take him to a rescue group if you decide to give him up. NOT the pound.

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Unbelievable!!! I don't know much about yorkie's yet but I thought they were all fun loving animals!! This blows my mind. Have you talked to the vet?
I didn't have luck with my first yorkie either very bad breeder. To make a long story sort she died at 15 weeks. Sweet wonderful dog. I am trying to get my money back from the breeder. I would try and take her back to them and get your money back. You should do something you deserve a loving sweet yorkie after all you have been through.
I am so sorry for your pain. I hope things work out for you.
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i feel really bad for you right now, i too am a newly wed and also got sick on our honeymoon. no one to this day knows what was wrong with me but luckily it's gone with some antibiotics i had left over at home...the docs of course not knowing what was wrong didn't try to treat me and so i treated myself and got better, right after that we got Sadie. Sadie at first was a brat. she still nips and bites some, but she's learning and sometimes she bites my ankles and growls at me. sometimes she's just simply playing and i mistake her playfulness for agressiveness. i would make sure you know for sure that this isn't just a playful puppy thing. being so new at caring for puppies its' hard to tell the difference at first and i'm just now learning that she was playing all along and not nearly as aggressive or mean as i thought she was.

my advice to you is this: you need to focus on yourself right now!! i think with your illness you would be doing yourself a huge favor by rehoming your pup to another family with more time, energy, patience, and ability to retrain him. a rescue would be great as well, but if you can place him in a good home yourself that would be better. if you really feel up to the challenge then i think you need a professional trainer to work with you for awhile and learn to train him. but personally i think you would do better just letting someone else have that responsibility and taking time to just focus on your health. being married just recently myself i know how hard it is learning about living with another person in a new situation. add the stress of a serious illness and you have a lot on your plate to deal with, then going and adding a puppy from a bad background with behavioral issues...WHAMMY. i think you took on too much at once and you should just give him up to someone who can take him and get better and focus on the time you have with your new hubbie and yourself.

who knows, maybe one of these days you will become pregnant and have a baby of your own...I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me!!!

I'll be praying for you and your family and that you are able to make a good choice for you and your husband. God bless you and make you well.
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I am so sorry about your chronic medical issues. I too have 24/7 chronic pain. I believe Smokie knows too, cause he stays very close to me when I'm not having a good day. Dogs just know. So I would think your puppy feels your stress, and then becomes stressed himself. If you decide to keep him, do try using treats for good behavior. The minute he uses the bathroom outside, tell him how good he is and give him a treat. You might also talk to the vet about something to calm him down. If you can afford it, you might have some bloodwork run on him since there are so many things Yorkie's can have by heredity. It could be a medical condition on his part. IF you do give him up, I agree with the Yorkie rescue. If you take him to the pound, he will immediately be put down due to his aggressiveness. Taking him back to where you got him would be torture since that is where it all started. A rescue will work with him and find him a home where the owners can help him. I'm sure its difficult for you with your chronic pain issues. I hope you can find a way to calm him down, but sounds like you need to talk to the vet about this. Reva - Smokie's mama
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First sorry that right now things are very overhelming.
I would say find a rescue and get him assessed as to even if he is fixable
I not seeing undersoicalization although I am sure it is a party of it. I am seeing a dog with serious mental health concerns and he was born that way.
Many of these guys are genetically aggressive and undersoicalization makes it worse.

You are not able to take on this level of hands on work that it will take to see if he can be turned around and honestly when is starts this young it usually can not but tha does not mean like my girl that he can not find someone that will do everything in thier power to hep him as they have the time and the health to do so.

I think if you ahd toe time that getting him assesed and a proper understanding of his concerns would help you feel better letting him try life some where else.

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